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antispam540

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911Boss wrote:
Nothing in the Constitution can be construed as empowering the government to take over health care. "Technically" or otherwise.

Whether by popular vote or representative vote, if the basic legislation is outside the realm of the powers granted by the Constitution, it is invalid no matter how wide the margin of the vote or how popular it is (or isn't in this case).

What portion of the Constitution do you think applies giving the federal government any jurisdiction or power to regulate health care? Hint, don't even try "interstate commerce" as a big part of the problem with health care is that there is NO competition across state lines due to current regulations, hence there is no "interstate commerce" when it comes to health care.

People need to wake up and realize that the power is vested in the people first, the states second, and then to the feds. Somewhere along the way things have been turned upside down and everyone has somehow become subordinate to the feds.
The government can't technically regulate healthcare. They're technically not regulating it. What they'll likely do is say "This is how we do things federally. If you want continued federal funds, you'll do it this way too.", and create some sort of "agency" that offers private healthcare. Then they'll slap on an extra federal tax, and let those with insurance take a 2.5% tax cut. The end effect is the same, but the way it's done is legal in the letter of the law, because most of it bypasses the law entirely.
 

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antispam540 wrote:
The government can't technically regulate healthcare. They're technically not regulating it. What they'll likely do is say "This is how we do things federally. If you want continued federal funds, you'll do it this way too.", and create some sort of "agency" that offers private healthcare. Then they'll slap on an extra federal tax, and let those with insurance take a 2.5% tax cut. The end effect is the same, but the way it's done is legal in the letter of the law, because most of it bypasses the law entirely.
So "Power perceived is power achieved"? Sorry, I don't buy that.

Lots of things that were thought to be "legal" were eventually determined to be unconstitutional. I certainly agree it will have to run it's course, but I am not quite as willing to roll over and accept such things as others seem to be.
 

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Takin cell mate requests:

Criteria:

Must NEVER hit on me.

Must be of good hygene.

Must share toilet without complaint.

Must have same taste in pin up girls.

Must like cable TV.

Intelligent conversationalist.

Pledge to make "shanks" and be prepared to use them in defense of one another.

Allow an United States flag and Pledge of Allegience said every morning.

Pledge to start riots everyday at noon. (Refer to "Animal House" food fight scene)

Well, at the very least, it's further down the rabbit hole we go! Do we still have to drink the kool aid in Hell? Pretty sure my seat is reserved already.

God help us,

Commodore
 

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Commodore76 wrote:
Takin cell mate requests:

Criteria:

Must NEVER hit on me.

Must be of good hygene.

Must share toilet without complaint.

Must have same taste in pin up girls.

Must like cable TV.

Intelligent conversationalist.

Pledge to make "shanks" and be prepared to use them in defense of one another.

Allow an United States flag and Pledge of Allegience said every morning.

Pledge to start riots everyday at noon. (Refer to "Animal House" food fight scene)

Well, at the very least, it's further down the rabbit hole we go! Do we still have to drink the kool aid in Hell? Pretty sure my seat is reserved already.

God help us,

Commodore

Pardon my logical disconnect, but you wanna pay homage to a government that put you in jail for not buying health insurance? :banghead:

Why not just comply in the first place? :uhoh:
 

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Phssthpok wrote:
Commodore76 wrote:
Pardon my logical disconnect, but you wanna pay homage to a government that put you in jail for not buying health insurance? :banghead:

Why not just comply in the first place? :uhoh:
He probably believes, like me, that the current administration no longer has any legitimate claim to that flag, and that same flag is still too much a symbol of true freedom to be nullified by the misuse of such charlatans.

America is greater than Obama and his ilk. Whatever his birth certificate really says, because of his actions he is no more an American than Hitler was a German.
 

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Phssthpok wrote:
Commodore76 wrote:
Takin cell mate requests:

Criteria:

Must NEVER hit on me.

Must be of good hygene.

Must share toilet without complaint.

Must have same taste in pin up girls.

Must like cable TV.

Intelligent conversationalist.

Pledge to make "shanks" and be prepared to use them in defense of one another.

Allow an United States flag and Pledge of Allegience said every morning.

Pledge to start riots everyday at noon. (Refer to "Animal House" food fight scene)

Well, at the very least, it's further down the rabbit hole we go! Do we still have to drink the kool aid in Hell? Pretty sure my seat is reserved already.

God help us,

Commodore

Pardon my logical disconnect, but you wanna pay homage to a government that put you in jail for not buying health insurance? :banghead:

Why not just comply in the first place? :uhoh:

In case you missed it, this is not the same Republic that was started. I'd be pledging to the Flag and the ideals that it stands for. Not for the Gov that we've been livin under for the last several years.

Why not comply? Do you realize how that sounds? Why not submit to someone else's will? Hmmm... Cause we're supposed to be all free to make our own choices and stuff? Hell, somethin like that. Will gladly reaffirm my oath to the Constitution of the United States of America every chance I get. I will not, however, willingly give up my freedom of choice. That is NOT what this Country was founded on.

Is that clear or shall I phrase it another way?
 

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If you truly believe that our government no longer has legitimate claim to that flag, then you belong at the capitol performing citizens arrests on every government member you can find. I personally don't think they've quite crossed the line into illegitimacy, but when they do it's pretty clear what is expected of us.
 

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Mainsail wrote:
This came in an email:


FORGET BEING DEMOCRAT or REPUBLICAN
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>                 Maybe this is why the White House has been discounting FOX
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>                Sounds like this could be History in the making - - I feel someone is going to go down - -  either Obama or Fox News
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>                                It may be that Fox has been holding this information back due to the sensitivity of it and out of courtesy.  But, Obama has taken on Fox and it appears they are ready to spill the ugly beans of truth about the background of this individual who has had an extremely radical past.
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>                                I'm not going to miss it and I hope you won't either. This should prove interesting!!
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>                                Subject: This Sunday at 8:00 pm central 9:00 pm eastern
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>                                This Sunday Fox news, is going to air a very important documentary about Barack Obama, Sunday night at 9 P M Eastern.
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>                                The report will  go back to Obama's earlier days, showing even then his close ties to radical Marxist professors, friends, spiritual advisers, etc.  It will also reveal details about his ties to Rev. Wright for +20 years i.e. how he was participating with this man, and not for the reasons he states!
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>                                The report has uncovered more of Obama's radical past and we will see things  that no one in the media is willing to put out  there.  It will be a segment to remember.
>                                Mark your calendar and pass this on to everyone you  know:  Sunday night, 8 P M . CT ; 9 P M  ET.  Democrat or Republican, this report will open your eyes to how YOUR country is being sold down the road to Totalitarian Socialism.  If you care about the direction of our country, pass this notice on to everyone you know...
FALSE! http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/foxnews.asp
 

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antispam540 wrote:
If you truly believe that our government no longer has legitimate claim to that flag, then you belong at the capitol performing citizens arrests on every government member you can find. I personally don't think they've quite crossed the line into illegitimacy, but when they do it's pretty clear what is expected of us.
Timing.
 

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antispam540 wrote:
SNIP I personally don't think they've quite crossed the line into illegitimacy,

Oh, I do.

I really think it is just a matter of learning the extent of the unconstitutional activity. One can argue for a few hours over the constitutionality of thislaw orthat government program. But, once you start looking around there are tons and tons of violations.

One particular indicator came to light recently in the mainstream media: Congress doesn't read the bills.How in the Nine Hells can they possibly know whether the law they are passing is constitutional if they haven't read the bill? The fact of the matter is that they can't. It follows that if they do not even read the bill to find out if it, or its parts, are constitutional, then they cannot possibly be interested in following the Constitution.

Another example is that Senator John Glenn has been quoted as saying Congress couldn't get anything done if they had to compare each of their bills to the Constitution. Recently a (Senator?) Clyburn said much the same thing.

But, those arejust flags. Indications. The realstuff lies inactual actions.

For myself, I've done a lot of reading lately on economics. Good, god! The amountof unconstitutional, economy wrecking,price inflating, special interestsupporting, unconstitutional bull-hockey is unbelieveable!!!

I'll give an example.Let me first fill insome possibly missing information.Your right to money derives from your right to property. Property rights. You canbarter some flour for some meat, etc. Or, you canreceive money forproperty that you exchange.Thus,your money isyour property.Itstands in place of the property you exchanged to get it. So, along comes Roosevelt in 1935 and confiscates all thecitizens' gold money.

Another example, by way of a question. How can it possibly bewithin the scope of the general welfareclause (assuming one credits that the clause gives the authority in the first place) to rack up billionsunto a trillion dollars in national debt,at interest, both of which has to be paid off under punishing taxes? This is noteven faintly a benefit to the general welfare of the country. And, there is noconstitutional authority to provide for the general economic destruction of the country.

If you really want some eye-popping info, research central banking, The Federal Reserve, and simple economics. The short story is that the fedgov can run up huge debts since they have access to the Federal Reserve's loans. If the fedgov had to pay for all programs by direct taxation, there would be rebellion by Tuesday.

Start with afew videos. The first is the easiest to grasp and lays the foundation:

Money as Debt: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544#

Money, Banking, and the Federal Reserve: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=money+banking+and+the+federal+reserve&emb=0#

The Money Masters: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+money+masters+full+movie&www_google_domain=http://www.google.com&emb=0&aq=1&oq=the+money+ma#

If thefedgovuses the Constitution much at all anymore, it is to lull us into thinking they are the legitimate government.
 

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Just a matter of timing. It's not yet that time.

People are not yet aware/upset/angry whatever you want to call it, to get anything really changed and I don't mean the current administration's definition of change.

Join the voting revolution next year.It's new and novel, but try "D.R.I.P." (Don't Re-elect an Incumbant Politician)
 

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Commodore76 wrote:
Just a matter of timing. It's not yet that time.

People are not yet aware/upset/angry whatever you want to call it, to get anything really changed and I don't mean the current administration's definition of change.

Join the voting revolution next year.It's new and novel, but try "D.R.I.P." (Don't Re-elect an Incumbant Politician)

Agreed.

A little while back, I realized it wasn't a matter of "what government overreach would bethelast straw?" We passed "the last straw" years ago.

Itsreally a matter of informing enough people that something is seriously, disastrously wrong.

Last week the Bureau of Labor Statistics posted that the average national unemployment had reached slightly over 10%. But, they don't count in that figure people who work part-time because they cannot get full-time jobs, nor people who quit looking for work. According to the liberal rag, The Washington Post, when you add in those last two groups, the unemployment figure reaches 17%.

I hate to ruin anybody's evening, but unemployement during the Great Depression varied across time from 14% to 20-something%. We're in a depression, folks. All bow and give thanks to the central bankers (Federal Reserve) who financed all the shaky lending that resulted in the bubble. And the fedgov policies that contributed to it.
 

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As a follow up to my third post back, there is a good book one can read.

Economics in One Lesson Henry Hazlitt, 1946.

Near the end of one chapter you will find described in one paragraph what happened with Fannie Mae,Freddie Mac, and sub-prime loans. Think about that for amoment. Here is a guy (economist)writing in 1946 who understood things well enough to unknowingly foresee the current meltdown. He was not predicting the meltdown. He was just saying that if you do this and that, the result will be this and this. He nailed it. All the elements we've read about in the news fit right into that paragraph.

Which also means that the meltdown was predictable for both the government and the central bank. If they were really interested in sound economics, it could have been avoided. Remember, the government has the power to provide for...the general welfare but not the power to provide for the general economic destruction. Article 1, Section 8, US Constitution.

You can read the book at the pdf linked below. Or, Barnes & Noble has it. Wonderful info for clarifying the basics of economics in easy-to-understand words and examples. By a pro-liberty guy who believed in property rights and freedom, or so far in my reading seems to have.

http://files.meetup.com/1382795/Economics%20in%20One%20Lesson%20(Henry%20Hazlitt).pdf
 

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antispam540 wrote:
SNIP...you belong at the capitol performing citizens arrests on every government member you can find.

Article I, Section 6. The Senators and Representatives shall...in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective Houses...
 

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It just occurred to me. I'll bet those jerks politely referred to as Congress actually know their own parliamentary rules, procedures, and sneaky tactics better than they know the Constitution.

Y'all see the YouTube video where Minority Leader John Boehner, while holding up a copy of the Constitution says...? No, I won't spoil it for you. You have to see it to believe it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvKOQA6qrhE&feature=player_embedded
 

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Citizen wrote:
It just occurred to me. I'll bet those jerks politely referred to as Congress actually know their own parliamentary rules, procedures, and sneaky tactics better than they know the Constitution.

Y'all see the YouTube video where Minority Leader John Boehner, while holding up a copy of the Constitution says...? No, I won't spoil it for you. You have to see it to believe it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvKOQA6qrhE&feature=player_embedded

The NEW political party - D.R.I.P. Party motto: "Out with the old! NO CAREER LAWYERS ALLOWED! Period!"

D.R.I.P. - Don't Re-elect Incumbant Politicians! ANY OF 'EM.
 

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Citizen wrote:
antispam540 wrote:
SNIP...you belong at the capitol performing citizens arrests on every government member you can find.

Article I, Section 6. The Senators and Representatives shall...in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective Houses...
"Except treason" is what would apply here.
 
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