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    Yesterday my wife and I were at our local Walmart. I was OCing my PT111 MP. We wandered through the whole store, never know what you're gonna find. We were in there for the better part of an hour. At the checkout, we bought some stamps that needed to be brought up from another register. The manager, Mike, brought them over. He looked down at my sidearm, and said "oh, thats cute" kinda sarcastically. (side note: he used to be my neighbor) He thanked me for having my weapon in a holster, and, noted that the last "crazy guy" he seen with a gun in there just had it laying on his belt "no holster". He also remarked that he ejected that guy and later got in some trouble. I asked hom ifit was my friend R.S. (sorry man dont know if they all know your name), he steered away from that question. If it was my friend R.S., I know that he uses a formed holster (not sure exactly what kind, I'll let you chime in on that one), versus my crappy Uncle Mike's paddle holster, his side arm does reveal quite a bit more.

    I just thought I would share an interesting day.



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    R.S. I'll be shopping for one of that type of holster soon, let me know where you got it so I can shop for one. Or maybe we can go together when I get back from work.
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    If a level 2 serpa makes people more comfortable *and* is safer in an encounter, please don't get a formed holster just to piss people off.

    Not that you would do it for that reason, but there are people who would.

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    antispam540 wrote:
    If a level 2 serpa makes people more comfortable *and* is safer in an encounter, please don't get a formed holster just to piss people off.

    Not that you would do it for that reason, but there are people who would.
    Yeah, why do people do that?

    There really should be a lawmandating a proper holster for gun carriers. Nothing too stringent, just a minimum requirement of some kind. We could call it Plaxico's Law.



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    NavyLT wrote:
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    antispam540 wrote:
    If a level 2 serpa makes people more comfortable *and* is safer in an encounter, please don't get a formed holster just to piss people off.

    Not that you would do it for that reason, but there are people who would.
    Yeah, why do people do that?

    There really should be a lawmandating a proper holster for gun carriers. Nothing too stringent, just a minimum requirement of some kind. We could call it Plaxico's Law.
    Yes, of course, we should have more government mandated restrictions of the carrying of firearms.
    What would be wrong with a law mandating some minimum level of holster for gun carriers?

    Seems like a win-win-win.



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    I hate to sound like a fing idiot, but what's a formed holster? Something like that one guy on here has where he bent some pieces of tin together to hold the trigger guard to his belt or something?
    "There is NO timer in a gunfight, but there IS another guy with a gun, and he's probably in a hurry!"- from someone who bothered to go and check

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    NavyLT wrote:
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    NavyLT wrote:
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    antispam540 wrote:
    If a level 2 serpa makes people more comfortable *and* is safer in an encounter, please don't get a formed holster just to piss people off.

    Not that you would do it for that reason, but there are people who would.
    Yeah, why do people do that?

    There really should be a lawmandating a proper holster for gun carriers. Nothing too stringent, just a minimum requirement of some kind. We could call it Plaxico's Law.
    Yes, of course, we should have more government mandated restrictions of the carrying of firearms.
    What would be wrong with a law mandating some minimum level of holster for gun carriers?

    Seems like a win-win-win.

    What part of "Shall not be infringed upon" is so unclear?
    Are you asserting that a law, if it were passed, would be an "infringement" of 2A?

    That's a stretttttttttccccccccccchhhhhh.





    NavyLT wrote:
    Say a person can't afford the government mandated holster... If we let the government mandate holster type/construction, whatever, the government then has the ability to price that holster right out of reach of some people.
    The suggestion is not to have a particular holster, just a holster. There are hundreds of holster manufacturers now. The government isn't going to control them so as to raise the price. Another stretch.




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    Already in most states the government mandated training and tax (in the form of a license) placed upon the privilege to carry concealed makes the monetary cost too prohibitive for some people to be able to afford it.
    So, uhm, is this other training and licensing also an "infringement" of 2A?

    If so, wouldn't that training and licensing be, uhm, unconstitutional?




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    NavyLT wrote:


    NavyLT wrote:
    Already in most states the government mandated training and tax (in the form of a license) placed upon the privilege to carry concealed makes the monetary cost too prohibitive for some people to be able to afford it.
    So, uhm, is this other training and licensing also an "infringement" of 2A?

    If so, wouldn't that training and licensing be, uhm, unconstitutional?


    Yes and yes, especially in states such as CT, OK, TX, FL and GA that do not have a free open carry alternative such as Washington, what's you point? You don't consider a person being forced to pay for training and licensing in order to carry a gun an infringement and unconstitutional?
    Hmmm, so wouldn't all those states provisions for training and licensing (How many, 40 or so?) ALL ARE INFRINGING ON 2A? What's your legal basis for asserting that?

    Any cases? Any decisions? Any state had their training/licensing rule unconstitutional?



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    OMFG!!!! Who keeps letting the ANTI's onto this site..... HankT go find an anti-website to go make yourself feel better. Where they will have more in common with you so you won't have so many arguements. They'll agree with everything you say.
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    HankT's just a troll. By that I mean a troll-troll. I suggest a concerted effort at ignoring him/her.

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    You'd think that a grown "man" would have better things to do with his time. I mean, there are sites for guys just like him, i think barrackobama.com is one of them.
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    tyguy808 wrote:
    You'd think that a grown "man" would have better things to do with his time. I mean, there are sites for guys just like him, i think barrackobama.com is one of them.
    Do you think that training and licensing (permitting) requirements for carry in many states is an "infringment" on 2A?

    Are such requirements unconstitutional, do you think, tg808?

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    Besides all that, the reason I was coming on here again tonight.

    I was thinking of getting a "better" holster because it seems like my holster takes too long to draw. I have to pop a retention strap, that is still really tight. Even after over a hundred times in and out, that button is still super stiff. A strapless holster, like a Serpa, would be ideal for myself.

    I wouldn't be doing it to piss anyone off, just for my own comfort. I can get to it quicker should I ever need it.
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    Shoo fly, don't bother me.

    Damn mosquitoes in this forum!
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    OK guys, let's take it easy on Old Hank... Really, if you think about it, people like Hank are necessary to have around. If it were not for the "Hanks" of the world, complacency would set in and then where would we be?

    Hank, I do appreciate the fact that you troll here. It serves a couple purposes.

    1. Humor

    2. Keeps our guard up

    3. Allows us an opportunity to realize how easy it is for an "Anti" to post here.

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    Trigger Dr wrote:
    OK guys, let's take it easy on Old Hank... Really, if you think about it, people like Hank are necessary to have around. If it were not for the "Hanks" of the world, complacency would set in and then where would we be?

    Hank, I do appreciate the fact that you troll here. It serves a couple purposes.

    1. Humor

    2. Keeps our guard up

    3. Allows us an opportunity to realize how easy it is for an "Anti" to post here.
    LMFAO! thanks doc.
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    So - I know this has been brought up before -- - - I agree with HankT in re:to a training req. for a CPL.

    I personally think he was yankin' all your chains re: the holster bit. IMHO.

    I personally (and I know many of you have somewhere along the line) have seen some that I would notwant to be around when they are handling/shooting their weapons. Like what's his name says - "You can't fix stupid" and hell if I'm leaving this earth at their hands.

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    Hendo wrote:
    So - I know this has been brought up before -- - - I agree with HankT in re:to a training req. for a CPL.

    I personally think he was yankin' all your chains re: the holster bit. IMHO.

    I personally (and I know many of you have somewhere along the line) have seen some that I would notwant to be around when they are handling/shooting their weapons. Like what's his name says - "You can't fix stupid" and hell if I'm leaving this earth at their hands.
    Plus, we can read how some of these people actually think.

    Kind of unsettlling, sometimes....

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    antispam540 wrote:
    If a level 2 serpa makes people more comfortable *and* is safer in an encounter, please don't get a formed holster just to piss people off.
    What is a "formed" holster, and why would it upset someone?



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    DrMark wrote:
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    If a level 2 serpa makes people more comfortable *and* is safer in an encounter, please don't get a formed holster just to piss people off.
    What is a "formed" holster, and why would it upset someone?

    Read the OP. The manager says he saw someone with a "gun attached to his belt". What I was referring to as a "formed holster" was a loop of leather formed tightly around the slide of a gun and then stiffened, so that it can hold the gun in place without covering the majority of the frame. The reason it upsets people is because it looks less safe, and "OMG, the gun is more EXPOSED". Plus the thing has as close to zero retention as you can get without sticking it in your pants.

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    tyguy808 wrote:
    Yesterday my wife and I were at our local Walmart. I was OCing my PT111 MP. We wandered through the whole store, never know what you're gonna find. We were in there for the better part of an hour. At the checkout, we bought some stamps that needed to be brought up from another register. The manager, Mike, brought them over. He looked down at my sidearm, and said "oh, thats cute" kinda sarcastically. (side note: he used to be my neighbor) He thanked me for having my weapon in a holster, and, noted that the last "crazy guy" he seen with a gun in there just had it laying on his belt "no holster". He also remarked that he ejected that guy and later got in some trouble. I asked hom ifit was my friend R.S. (sorry man dont know if they all know your name), he steered away from that question. If it was my friend R.S., I know that he uses a formed holster (not sure exactly what kind, I'll let you chime in on that one), versus my crappy Uncle Mike's paddle holster, his side arm does reveal quite a bit more.

    I just thought I would share an interesting day.



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    R.S. I'll be shopping for one of that type of holster soon, let me know where you got it so I can shop for one. Or maybe we can go together when I get back from work.
    Yea that was probably me, Mike got in trouble for a lot more thanjust ejectingme, he is very anti, and also for saying he is the manager, he is not...Terry is. Terry told me he had to have a stern talk with Mike. Terry's name and number is on the bottom of the Wal-mart reciepts he told me if I have any problem to give him a call, he is a real good guy. I have been there dozens of times since then and no problems, of course Mike don't look me in the eye and avoids being int the same area as me.

    In no way was my gun just in my belt, this tells you the mind set of this guy. My gun is in a Serpa style holster made by blackhawk, bought it at allegience arms/ survival solutions, would love to go with ya when you get back, give me a ring.

    Good story, glad to have some more OC'ers here in town. Let's get together when you get in back into town. If the wife and baby need a place to hang they can come over too if they like.


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    To Hank, Hendo and anyone else who wants to see another law.

    I have to disagree with your opinion that there needs to be another law or regulation of any kind. The Second Amendment was not written with the idea of concealled weapons, weapons restrictions, sporting purposes etc. and should be honored the way it was written. I have a funny feeling that even in the time period that the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written, there were dumb-asses walkin around that the authors didn't want to see armed. They STILL made no provision for common sense, intelligence, weight or popularity. God gave us certain rights. The Constitution and Bill of Rights were designed to guarantee them.

    I respectfully submit for your combined intellect to digest that there are over 60,000 laws pertaining to firearms in this Country. Really? Do we need just one more? I think not. Honestly, what GOOD will one more do? We can't enforce what we have to stop crime, let's just make honest people just through some more hoops.

    Just because you FEEL a certain way, does not mean that we need another law. Believe me, I have a LOT of feelings. "My truck weighs over 7000lbs and is pretty tall, why can't I run over that guy who just cut me off? Why do I not have the ability to beat the stupid out of people no matter how hard I have tried?"

    Yeah, we all have thoughts and feelings. I could start an initiative, but I'm afraid my thoughts above are probably better left off the ballot.

    With regard to mandatory training for CPL? Again, do we NEED another law? Cite for us less than educated folk some facts to back up your statement please. Something other than "you'd FEEL better". Feelingsare cute, go have a beer, realize we're all a bit different and try to respect your fellow Americans a little more and regulate them a little less.

    Next we're gonna have Gov run Health Care or somethin.

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    With regard to mandatory training for CPL? Again, do we NEED another law? Cite for us less than educated folk some facts to back up your statement please. Something other than "you'd FEEL better". Feelings are cute, go have a beer, realize we're all a bit different and try to respect your fellow Americans a little more and regulate them a little less.
    The rate of accidental and unjustified shootings by CPL holders here in WA is pretty much the same as it is elsewhere: i.e. so low it's lost in the statistical noise.

    Given that it won't be possible for anyone to clearly demonstrate any actual harm coming from our "lack" of a training requirement, doesn't it just boil down to whether one thinks the people are sovereign, vs thinking the government is sovereign?


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    With regard to mandatory training for CPL? Again, do we NEED another law? Cite for us less than educated folk some facts to back up your statement please. Something other than "you'd FEEL better". Feelings are cute, go have a beer, realize we're all a bit different and try to respect your fellow Americans a little more and regulate them a little less.
    The rate of accidental and unjustified shootings by CPL holders here in WA is pretty much the same as it is elsewhere: i.e. so low it's lost in the statistical noise.

    Given that it won't be possible for anyone to clearly demonstrate any actual harm coming from our "lack" of a training requirement, doesn't it just boil down to whether one thinks the people are sovereign, vs thinking the government is sovereign?
    Totally agreed. There are many people in this world that I don't like or respect, I have upset a lot of people in the anti-gun crowd. Should I be allowed to regulate those I deem to be idiots? No! If I had my way, putting on make-up, shaving or trying to eat a salad while behind the wheel of a large SUV would be a felony!

    Don't want someone to have the ability to regulate my life either.

    Your point is right on the mark. In states where there is mandatory training as a prereq to obtaining a CWP/CPL or other acronym, there is nothing that I've found that can prove, using facts, that those permit holders are "safer". Typical emotion based response from those who want more regualtions.

    They are proposing just another useless round of victimless, emotion based legislation.

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    Commodore76 wrote:
    To Hank, Hendo and anyone else who wants to see another law.

    I have to disagree with your opinion that there needs to be another law or regulation of any kind. The Second Amendment was not written with the idea of concealled weapons, weapons restrictions, sporting purposes etc. and should be honored the way it was written. I have a funny feeling that even in the time period that the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written, there were dumb-asses walkin around that the authors didn't want to see armed. They STILL made no provision for common sense, intelligence, weight or popularity. God gave us certain rights. The Constitution and Bill of Rights were designed to guarantee them.

    I respectfully submit for your combined intellect to digest that there are over 60,000 laws pertaining to firearms in this Country. Really? Do we need just one more? I think not. Honestly, what GOOD will one more do? We can't enforce what we have to stop crime, let's just make honest people just through some more hoops.

    Just because you FEEL a certain way, does not mean that we need another law. Believe me, I have a LOT of feelings. "My truck weighs over 7000lbs and is pretty tall, why can't I run over that guy who just cut me off? Why do I not have the ability to beat the stupid out of people no matter how hard I have tried?"

    Yeah, we all have thoughts and feelings. I could start an initiative, but I'm afraid my thoughts above are probably better left off the ballot.

    With regard to mandatory training for CPL? Again, do we NEED another law? Cite for us less than educated folk some facts to back up your statement please. Something other than "you'd FEEL better". Feelingsare cute, go have a beer, realize we're all a bit different and try to respect your fellow Americans a little more and regulate them a little less.

    Next we're gonna have Gov run Health Care or somethin.


    My Bad commodore, i will promise not to cut you off in my little Honda anymore

    But +1 on your text here, i do agree. I have wrote many times that we have way to many laws, not just guns, but in general, and all avenues of our life. Laws should be simple, far and few in between, and should written in common tongue for the average person to understand. Spirit of the law should prevail more than the letter.

    As per Hank... he just likes to cause strife and make chaos in threads -The only real motive (so far as i been able to tell.) is that he gets a personal rise out of upsetting people by picking attheir wording oropinions. Maybe he can prove me wrong sometime, would be a pleasant surprise... but not so far... He is smart, just seems to be an unprovoked antagonist (My personal opinion here). It is sad, because he is intelligent, and could be an asset to the forum if he demonstrated a better behaviour pattern.


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    My Bad commodore, i will promise not to cut you off in my little Honda anymore

    THAT WAS YOU??? Grrrrr....... Lol, happens so much. It's simply amazing to me that people just think I can stop on a dime to aviod...um...damaging them? Something like that.

    With regard to laws, it's just impossible for me to wrap my mind around victimless legislation.

    Case in point, here in my little town, we don't even have a stoplight. As of last week, the school zone had two "20MPH when flashing" signs installed. They have been flashing for the last three days non stop. Other than being annoying little lights that are very outof place among the crop fields and cows, we hadseveral Deputies writing tickets for anyone doing over 20MPH all day on Saturday.

    By the letter of the law, they are "justified". Using common sense, that is INSANE! The ONLY thing occuring as a result is money being generated for the County. (I know, common sense is a dangerous term to just be throwin out there) Honestly, why, in the middle of a 55MPHzone do we have to slow down to 20MPH "for the children" at 10PM?Yes, letters have been written in protest, I fear they have been written in vain.

    Gotta try, right?

    I'm just tired of seeing the intent of the law being abused in the name of a couple of quick bucks for Gov at any level.

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