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    Could Cities Confiscate OC'ed Firearms, without charging someone, and then make them pay to get it back?

    http://www.detnews.com/article/20091...n-the-innocent
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    No, I don't see a way they could.

    They can take assets involved in crimes. Going to an illegal party is a crime, and your car can get impounded if you do it, and it's fair to be charged to get it back. It costs money to tow and store a car. Drug dealer money isn't really useful when they're in prison, and I'm all for the police using it. Beats them spending my money.

    But a legally carried gun, no. I don't think anyone here has ever had to pay to get a gun back after police abusively take them. You could say theszerdi did since he had to go through a court battle, but there was no official gun return charge.

    I don't think it's realistically a problem. Among other things, preemption would seem to have a lot to say about that.If it ever comes up, it will be an extremely strong case for a law suit.
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    makes me sick! people need to do something about these leo's acting only as revenue raisers. it just goes to show howpolice have gone away from protectors and servants of the people to a group of thugs that believes they're above the law and better than average citzens.
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    By the looks of it is is indeed possible. According to the author's assertion of Worthy's written statement "the law allows her office to seize property without filing charges. " our fourth amendment rights are in the toilet.

    Want to get really pissed, did you see the articel about forced health care?

    http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/n...blog/index.php

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    JeffSayers wrote:
    By the looks of it is is indeed possible. According to the author's assertion of Worthy's written statement "the law allows her office to seize property without filing charges. " our fourth amendment rights are in the toilet.

    Want to get really pissed, did you see the articel about forced health care?

    http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/n...blog/index.php

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    that is unbelievable! How can people like you and me stand for this sort of corruption and tyranny?
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (who will watch the watchmen?)

    I am not a lawyer. Nothing in any of posts should be construed as legal advice.

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    JeffSayers wrote:
    According to the author's assertion of Worthy's written statement "the law allows her office to seize property without filing charges. ".
    Sure they can. If they have RAC, PC, or a warrant and decide later at their own discretion to skip filing charges. There is nothing illegal or uncommon about that.

    Simple theft is another thing, but I don't believe this article is actually addressing that.
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    The Tyranny of Good Intentionsis an excellent book with example after example of how the governmentis trampling our rights and getting away with it.

    If I could afford it I'd send a copy to everyone I know.

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    Thats why I don't go to detroit, besides the property can only be taken if charged.

    The article stated peoples charges were dropped, but they had to pay to receive the property back. You can't be charged with OC.

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    conservative85 wrote:
    Thats why I don't go to detroit, besides the property can only be taken if charged.

    The article stated peoples charges were dropped, but they had to pay to receive the property back. You can't be charged with OC.

    Regardeless I find comfort in the fact that the Constitution, gives me the authority to remove or abolish any form of govt. that violates my right to quality of life and security.
    It sure does, but are there engouh MEN (yes, ladies can be MEN in this regard too if they will stand up) left in this country to actually do this.

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    I am ready, willing, and able to Keep, & bear arms...Mr Hussein Don't tread on me!

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    Wow, another eye-opener! And yes, I do believe that open carriers are vunerable on this point. I've heard of several cases (not in Michigan) where improperly siezed firearms haven't been returned (even the ACLU is litigating one or two of these).

    Yet another reason to shut up during a police encounter and carry multiple recorders.

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    conservative85 wrote:
    I am ready, willing, and able to Keep, & bear arms...Mr Hussein Don't tread on me!
    Seriously?



    How did this turn to a indictment against Obama?

    This whole article was about Michigan forfieture laws...



    What people need to realize is that the problem is not Democrat or Republican.

    It is the monopoly of force that is granted to government.



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    Phoenixphire wrote:
    conservative85 wrote:
    I am ready, willing, and able to Keep, & bear arms...Mr Hussein Don't tread on me!
    Seriously?



    How did this turn to a indictment against Obama?

    This whole article was about Michigan forfieture laws...



    What people need to realize is that the problem is not Democrat or Republican.

    It is the monopoly of force that is usurped by government.

    Fixed.

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    N6ATF wrote:
    Phoenixphire wrote:
    conservative85 wrote:
    I am ready, willing, and able to Keep, & bear arms...Mr Hussein Don't tread on me!
    Seriously?



    How did this turn to a indictment against Obama?
    This whole article was about Michigan forfieture laws...



    What people need to realize is that the problem is not Democrat or Republican. - Liberalismbreedsocialismwhich breedscommunism. Mr. Obama would put the whole program on Viagara under the national medical program at the expense of your paycheck

    It is the monopoly of force that is usurped by government.

    Fixed.
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    i think phoenixphire, needs to look this word up!!!

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    fixed

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    Did I say Dem, or Rep. no I said Hussein, the Fish rots from the head down. The little ones copy the Big ones.

    I was replying to a post from Sayers, go back and look at who he mentioned, I hate pointing out the details...

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