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    http://www.thisissurreytoday.co.uk/n...l/article.html

    A former soldier who handed a discarded shotgun in to police faces at least five years imprisonment for "doing his duty".
    Paul Clarke, 27, was found guilty of possessing a firearm at Guildford Crown Court on Tuesday – after finding the gun and handing it personally to police officers on March 20 this year.
    The jury took 20 minutes to make its conviction, and Mr Clarke now faces a minimum of five year's imprisonment for handing in the weapon.
    In a statement read out in court, Mr Clarke said: "I didn't think for one moment I would be arrested.
    "I thought it was my duty to hand it in and get it off the streets."
    TIN.adverts.adWriteDC('article-detail-impact-tile', '452x118'); The court heard how Mr Clarke was on the balcony of his home in Nailsworth Crescent, Merstham, when he spotted a black bin liner at the bottom of his garden.
    In his statement, he said: "I took it indoors and inside found a shorn-off shotgun and two cartridges.
    "I didn't know what to do, so the next morning I rang the Chief Superintendent, Adrian Harper, and asked if I could pop in and see him.
    "At the police station, I took the gun out of the bag and placed it on the table so it was pointing towards the wall."
    Mr Clarke was then arrested immediately for possession of a firearm at Reigate police station, and taken to the cells.
    Defending, Lionel Blackman told the jury Mr Clarke's garden backs onto a public green field, and his garden wall is significantly lower than his neighbours.
    He also showed jurors a leaflet printed by Surrey Police explaining to citizens what they can do at a police station, which included "reporting found firearms".
    Quizzing officer Garnett, who arrested Mr Clarke, he asked: "Are you aware of any notice issued by Surrey Police, or any publicity given to, telling citizens that if they find a firearm the only thing they should do is not touch it, report it by telephone, and not take it into a police station?"
    To which, Mr Garnett replied: "No, I don't believe so."
    Prosecuting, Brian Stalk, explained to the jury that possession of a firearm was a "strict liability" charge – therefore Mr Clarke's allegedly honest intent was irrelevant.
    Just by having the gun in his possession he was guilty of the charge, and has no defence in law against it, he added.
    But despite this, Mr Blackman urged members of the jury to consider how they would respond if they found a gun.
    He said: "This is a very small case with a very big principle.
    "You could be walking to a railway station on the way to work and find a firearm in a bin in the park.
    "Is it unreasonable to take it to the police station?"
    Paul Clarke will be sentenced on December 11.
    Judge Christopher Critchlow said: "This is an unusual case, but in law there is no dispute that Mr Clarke has no defence to this charge.
    "The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant."


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    This ******** actually makes me ill. How's your governor? Any chance for a pardon?

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    "The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant."

    So......who arrested officer Garnett?

    After all, somebody had to pick the shotgun up off the police counter. When that person picked it up, wouldn't they be in posession of it?

    Even though the desk officer intended to put it into the evidence locker...
    "The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant."


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    Unintended consequences.

    The next time someone wants to be the good Samaritan, and turn in a firearm, they will realize there are malicious prosecutors out there just looking to nail them to the wall. They'll be too afraid to even call the police station now, so they will just leave it where they found it, and run away as fast as they can (figuratively speaking).

    The firearm may be found by a criminal, and used to harm someone. Great job Guildford!!

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    M1Gunr wrote:
    http://www.thisissurreytoday.co.uk/n...l/article.html

    A former soldier who handed a discarded shotgun in to police faces at least five years imprisonment for "doing his duty".
    Paul Clarke, 27, was found guilty of possessing a firearm at Guildford Crown Court on Tuesday – after finding the gun and handing it personally to police officers on March 20 this year.
    The jury took 20 minutes to make its conviction, and Mr Clarke now faces a minimum of five year's imprisonment for handing in the weapon.
    In a statement read out in court, Mr Clarke said: "I didn't think for one moment I would be arrested.
    "I thought it was my duty to hand it in and get it off the streets."
    TIN.adverts.adWriteDC('article-detail-impact-tile', '452x118'); The court heard how Mr Clarke was on the balcony of his home in Nailsworth Crescent, Merstham, when he spotted a black bin liner at the bottom of his garden.
    In his statement, he said: "I took it indoors and inside found a shorn-off shotgun and two cartridges.
    "I didn't know what to do, so the next morning I rang the Chief Superintendent, Adrian Harper, and asked if I could pop in and see him.
    "At the police station, I took the gun out of the bag and placed it on the table so it was pointing towards the wall."
    Mr Clarke was then arrested immediately for possession of a firearm at Reigate police station, and taken to the cells.
    Defending, Lionel Blackman told the jury Mr Clarke's garden backs onto a public green field, and his garden wall is significantly lower than his neighbours.
    He also showed jurors a leaflet printed by Surrey Police explaining to citizens what they can do at a police station, which included "reporting found firearms".
    Quizzing officer Garnett, who arrested Mr Clarke, he asked: "Are you aware of any notice issued by Surrey Police, or any publicity given to, telling citizens that if they find a firearm the only thing they should do is not touch it, report it by telephone, and not take it into a police station?"
    To which, Mr Garnett replied: "No, I don't believe so."
    Prosecuting, Brian Stalk, explained to the jury that possession of a firearm was a "strict liability" charge – therefore Mr Clarke's allegedly honest intent was irrelevant.
    Just by having the gun in his possession he was guilty of the charge, and has no defence in law against it, he added.
    But despite this, Mr Blackman urged members of the jury to consider how they would respond if they found a gun.
    He said: "This is a very small case with a very big principle.
    "You could be walking to a railway station on the way to work and find a firearm in a bin in the park.
    "Is it unreasonable to take it to the police station?"
    Paul Clarke will be sentenced on December 11.
    Judge Christopher Critchlow said: "This is an unusual case, but in law there is no dispute that Mr Clarke has no defence to this charge.
    "The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant."
    This is exactly why England is the most violent country in all of Europe. The English have stripped their people of their right to defend themselves, have stripped them of the right to do anything except breathe--and even that will soon be banned in the UK....

    The people of the UK should simply stand up and tell their government enough.

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    Prophet wrote:
    How's your governor? Any chance for a pardon?
    This was in England.

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    I gotta tell ya... I'm not really one for messing in foreign government affairs, but the more I read about this case, the madder I get.

    I wish there was something we could do to right this wrong. This is just plain evil right up there on par with the worst of them.

    I've never been to England, but I have to say I am not at all inclined to plan a trip or spend any money in that direction until this wrong is corrected.

    TFred


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    Well I can tell you they're just plain off the wall over in the UK. Just be happy you don't live there.

    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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    KBCraig wrote:
    Prophet wrote:
    How's your governor? Any chance for a pardon?
    This was in England.
    So then, "how's your guv'ner?"
    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

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    M1Gunr wrote:
    http://www.thisissurreytoday.co.uk/n...l/article.html

    A former soldier who handed a discarded shotgun in to police faces at least five years imprisonment for "doing his duty".
    Paul Clarke, 27, was found guilty of possessing a firearm at Guildford Crown Court on Tuesday – after finding the gun and handing it personally to police officers on March 20 this year.
    The jury took 20 minutes to make its conviction, and Mr Clarke now faces a minimum of five year's imprisonment for handing in the weapon.
    In a statement read out in court, Mr Clarke said: "I didn't think for one moment I would be arrested.
    "I thought it was my duty to hand it in and get it off the streets."
    TIN.adverts.adWriteDC('article-detail-impact-tile', '452x118'); The court heard how Mr Clarke was on the balcony of his home in Nailsworth Crescent, Merstham, when he spotted a black bin liner at the bottom of his garden.
    In his statement, he said: "I took it indoors and inside found a shorn-off shotgun and two cartridges.
    "I didn't know what to do, so the next morning I rang the Chief Superintendent, Adrian Harper, and asked if I could pop in and see him.
    "At the police station, I took the gun out of the bag and placed it on the table so it was pointing towards the wall."
    Mr Clarke was then arrested immediately for possession of a firearm at Reigate police station, and taken to the cells.
    Defending, Lionel Blackman told the jury Mr Clarke's garden backs onto a public green field, and his garden wall is significantly lower than his neighbours.
    He also showed jurors a leaflet printed by Surrey Police explaining to citizens what they can do at a police station, which included "reporting found firearms".
    Quizzing officer Garnett, who arrested Mr Clarke, he asked: "Are you aware of any notice issued by Surrey Police, or any publicity given to, telling citizens that if they find a firearm the only thing they should do is not touch it, report it by telephone, and not take it into a police station?"
    To which, Mr Garnett replied: "No, I don't believe so."
    Prosecuting, Brian Stalk, explained to the jury that possession of a firearm was a "strict liability" charge – therefore Mr Clarke's allegedly honest intent was irrelevant.
    Just by having the gun in his possession he was guilty of the charge, and has no defence in law against it, he added.
    But despite this, Mr Blackman urged members of the jury to consider how they would respond if they found a gun.
    He said: "This is a very small case with a very big principle.
    "You could be walking to a railway station on the way to work and find a firearm in a bin in the park.
    "Is it unreasonable to take it to the police station?"
    Paul Clarke will be sentenced on December 11.
    Judge Christopher Critchlow said: "This is an unusual case, but in law there is no dispute that Mr Clarke has no defence to this charge.
    "The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant."
    No surprise from England. A country of sheep willing to be butchered and jailed before questioning the government.

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