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    http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/M...-69978222.html

    SURPRISE -- Police officers arrested a man after he brandished a weapon and threatened customers at a store in Surprise Wednesday night.

    Witnesses told police that a man made threatening statements to several customers inside and outside the Cobblestone store near Litchfield and Bell roads. Sgt. Mark Ortega said the man displayed a black pistol out of the driver's side door as he drove off the property.

    William McDougle, 20, was stopped by officers a few blocks away and police located a black pellet gun made to resemble a 9mm semi-auto pistol in his vehicle.

    McDougle was arrested and charged with aggravated assault, threatening and disorderly conduct. He was then transported to the Maricopa County Jail where he was booked.

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    no kiddin. Had i been at this wal-mart - it is conceivable that I would have returned his favor with a few 9mm "pellets" of my own....

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    I'd have shot him... no question.

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    Agreed!

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    I'd have shot him... no question.
    and you would be sitting in jail. He was leaving the scene, in a moving car. Your only option at that point would have been to call the cops and let them find the idiot.

    Now, if he was in your face and pulled the bb gun and you did not know it was a bb gun, or he tried to run you down with his car, then it would be justified.

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    Dragonflydf wrote:
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    I'd have shot him... no question.
    and you would be sitting in jail. He was leaving the scene, in a moving car. Your only option at that point would have been to call the cops and let them find the idiot.

    Now, if he was in your face and pulled the bb gun and you did not know it was a bb gun, or he tried to run you down with his car, *then it would be justified.
    +1. perp is leaving the scene, unless you're a COP - threat is over.

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    If I was walking in the parking lot and I saw someone point a gun at meeven from their car window, I would not hesitate to shoot. If it was real and he did start shooting, who knows how many people he can hurt/kill by the time police arrive. It may look like he is leaving the scene and that is all, but he still has the oppurunity to shoot while leaving. I know others may disagree with my opinion andI respect that.

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    GF wrote:
    If I was walking in the parking lot and I saw someone point a gun at meeven from their car window, I would not hesitate to shoot. If it was real and he did start shooting, who knows how many people he can hurt/kill by the time police arrive. It may look like he is leaving the scene and that is all, but he still has the oppurunity to shoot while leaving. I know others may disagree with my opinion andI respect that.
    There was a cop that shot a woman that was driving away from him, He lost his job, How do you think you would fair ? To shoot at a car that is moving away from you is foolish, you can take care of a immediate threat, but a retreating car is no longer a threat. I sugest you read up on AZ laws, unless you wish to become a jail house lawyer.





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    Back in the "good old days" in MO it was legal to shoot a fleeing felon.

    I was working an off duty job when a larceny suspect tried to run over me with his car after I identified myself. Due to the cross traffic and pedestrians, I couldn't shoot. He ran over the toe of my boot ( that made it a felony) and after hedrove pastme I drew a bead on the rear car window. I had just had an orange insert put on the front sight of my S&W model 15 and I was admiring how it showed upunder street lights.

    At 25 to 40 yards I fired 3 shoots, hitting a 1/4 inch above the crome strip around the window, the center of the crome srtip and the 3rd shot blew out the rear window and the rear view mirror. The suspect wrecked the car and was arrested.

    The responding officers commented on the great grouping.

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    Ha, Surprise! Just watched the semis there on TV with Agassi beating Ferreira. Missed the finals where he lost though.

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    Shooting into a moving vehicle in a parkinglot like Wlamarts is not a good idea. If you hit the driver and incompacitate him/her, you then have a 2000 pound car rolling out of control, that could injure others.

    But if I saw that guypointing his weapon at me or others I probably would have shot him.

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    There was a cop that shot a woman that was driving away from him, He lost his job, How do you think you would fair ? To shoot at a car that is moving away from you is foolish, you can take care of a immediate threat, but a retreating car is no longer a threat. I sugest you read up on AZ laws, unless you wish to become a jail house lawyer.



    Did she have a gun pointed out the window too?

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    she backed up and knocked the cops motocycle over, cops claimed she was trying to run him down.

    no matter what, if a car is driving away from you and is no longer a threat, you should not even be thinking about firing at it. Call the cops and let them deal with it.

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    Some of them pellet guns and toy guns look so real nowadays. I ran across some pellet gun in a catalog I was browsing the other day and had to stare at it for a few minutes. There was nothing about it that didn't look like a 9mm pistol.

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    NCjones wrote:
    Some of them pellet guns and toy guns look so real nowadays. I ran across some pellet gun in a catalog I was browsing the other day and had to stare at it for a few minutes. There was nothing about it that didn't look like a 9mm pistol.
    I have one that looks like a Desert Eagle. During baseball season I use it to shoot rats while I'm listening to the ball games. Bird seed on the ground attracts the rats...or they want to listen to the game too.

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    Dragonflydf wrote:
    she backed up and knocked the cops motocycle over, cops claimed she was trying to run him down.

    no matter what, if a car is driving away from you and is no longer a threat, you should not even be thinking about firing at it. Call the cops and let them deal with it.
    That's different in my opinion. Yeah I understand that the officer did believe that his life was at stake, but that is different than someone pointing a gun at you as they are driving by.

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    Dragonflydf wrote:
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    I'd have shot him... no question.
    and you would be sitting in jail. He was leaving the scene, in a moving car.



    Ya that's why shooting a drive by shooter is against the law. After all, they are leaving the scene. :quirky

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    once you are out of his line of fire, your ability to shoot back is gone, he is retreating at that point and if you shoot you are now the aggresser.

    The story said he was waving it, he was not aiming at any one person.

    if someone is shooting at me from a moving car, then as long as they can shoot at me, they are fair game, but in this case, there were no shots fired, no one person singled out. To say you would shoot at someone because they were waving a gun as they were driving away is a good way to end up with a boyfriend named bubba.



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    Dragonflydf wrote:
    once you are out of his line of fire, your ability to shoot back is gone, he is retreating at that point and if you shoot you are now the aggresser.

    The story said he was waving it, he was not aiming at any one person.

    if someone is shooting at me from a moving car, then as long as they can shoot at me, they are fair game, but in this case, there were no shots fired, no one person singled out. To say you would shoot at someone because they were waving a gun as they were driving away is a good way to end up with a boyfriend named bubba.

    You're conveniently adding details that just aren't there. The guy displayed a gun out of the window. It didn 't say one way or the other if he pointed it at someone. For all we know, he did indeed point it at someone.

    As soon as he brandishes a firearm and I reasonably believe my life or another's is in danger, I have the right to defend life. I don't have to let him shoot first.

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    I'll tell you what, I'll let you shoot at a retreating car and promise to come visit you at tent city.





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    Instead of being obtuse, why don't you use your head?



    Why does it matter which way the car is going if the person is pointing a gun at you?

    Go ahead, answer the question.

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    1FASTC4 wrote:
    Instead of being obtuse, why don't you use your head?



    Why does it matter which way the car is going if the person is pointing a gun at you?

    Go ahead, answer the question.
    A vehicle is either traveling directly at you or away from you. Most of the 360 degrees it could be traveling is away from you. If it's traveling at you, MOVE! You're more likely to die in a collision than from a handgun GSW.

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    1FASTC4 wrote:
    Instead of being obtuse, why don't you use your head?



    Why does it matter which way the car is going if the person is pointing a gun at you?

    Go ahead, answer the question.
    I'll answer your questionwith a example, go sit in your car and see how large a field of fire you have, see how many blind spots you have. another thing to consider is how would your bullet do fired into auto glass, front or back windows? most do very poorly, they don't always go straight thru as seen in hollywierd, you are hitting a hard slanted surface some are deflected to some extent. Also, how many of you can hit a moving target that is roughly 18inches tall and 24 inches wide at a range of 20-40 feet with obstructions such are door pillars and frames ? His chance of hitting you is even less than you hitting him, and before you say you would shoot thru the door, do you know how your 9mm or 45 would do against auto sheet metal, also there are things in the door such as window regulator, motors, and so on?

    If the threat is coming at you, you are justified, but once he haspast you, I believe you are no longer justified in firing.

    The guy was a idiot, but anyone who thinks they are going to play supercop and shoot a guy in a moving car needs to think about not only hitting a very small, moving target, but also if theydo hit him, you now have a little problem of a 2,000 lb plus car with no onecontrolling it.

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    I think so too, those would be difficult shots, whether you were trying to hit the door or the window... at least for me. I'm pretty sure that having a gun pointed at me and having the target moving would make it a hard shot.


    but once he haspast you, I believe you are no longer justified in firing.

    I'm trying to follow your logic but I'm not getting it. The threat isn't removed once he starts driving past you, so why are you no longer allowed to defend yourself? In other words a guy who is driving away from you yet still firing, is still a threat.

    Now that would be a hard shot: Driving, looking back, and actually hitting what you intend.

    With all this, we still don't know if the guy just "showed" his gun or if he actually pointed it.

    Some in the thread said they would have shot him as soon as he waved the gun. I think, and I say I think because I've never been in that situation, I think I would have drawn my weapon and then made a decision if he was pointing it at someone or not. I wouldn't have fired at him if he was just "brandishing". That's my view. I don't espouse that it is better than anyone else's.

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    What a ******. Does he not realize that there are telephones, police, and license plates on this planet?
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