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    In less than a year the U.S. government has gone from being one of the chief opponents of the proposed UN Small Arms Control Treaty to being a strong supporter. Elections do matter and have consequences.
    As many predicted, the United States has changed its United Nations Gun Control Treaty position by joining other countries in the UN’s General Assembly First Committee on Disarmament And Peace, with a resolution calling for the drafting of an International Arms Trading Treaty. This Treaty, which will be up for a final UN vote in 2012, will regulate small arms, as well as other conventional arms.
    This treaty will regulate production, supply, transfer, acquisition and storage of small arms by the end user, among others, all U.S. gun owners.
    The UN General Assembly voted on a similar resolution in 2006, and George W. Bush instructed US Ambassador to vote against the resolution because he believed the Second Amendment would be infringed by such a treaty. The United States was the only country to vote against the resolution then, and the sole vote against a Treaty resolution killed a new Treaty. But, we have a different President with a different agenda now.
    Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, believes that this proposed Treaty will be a strong one, and that the U.S. government was prepared to use a UN conference to support it.

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    Well....the fake president and his ilk can agree with the un all they want.

    *I* as in >ME< will NOT abide by the UN rules.:X

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    "From my cold dead hands!"

    2012? 12/21/2012?
    Chuck Norris/Ted Nugent That's the ticket for 2016!

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    carracer wrote:
    "From my cold dead hands!"

    2012? 12/21/2012?

    Yes,a Treaty interfering with the PRTKBA has about as much chance to pass the senate as the chances that the world will end on the last date of the Mayan calendar.

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    TheMrMitch wrote:
    Well....the fake president and his ilk can agree with the un all they want.

    *I* as in >ME< will NOT abide by the UN rules.:X
    That makes two of us. Screw the UN!

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    Let's hear it for checks and balances. It isn't even fear of the electorate that would keep this UN nonsense from passing. There just aren't 67 (2/3 majority) senators who are kooky enough to sign off on this garbage.

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    Task Force 16 wrote:
    TheMrMitch wrote:
    Well....the fake president and his ilk can agree with the un all they want.

    *I* as in >ME< will NOT abide by the UN rules.:X
    That makes two of us. Screw the UN!
    Three

    those powder blue helmet will make nice targets

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    I think it's about time for the UN to find themselves another locationfrom which toplot against the US.

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    Task Force 16 wrote:
    I think it's about time for the UN to find themselves another locationfrom which toplot against the US.
    But, but, but---they need to be close to their co-conspirators in DC.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    Citizen wrote:
    Task Force 16 wrote:
    I think it's about time for the UN to find themselves another locationfrom which toplot against the US.
    But, but, but---they need to be close to their co-conspirators in DC.
    They can go with them.

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    Back in the 60's, there was a large billboard sign off in a large empty field between Merrifield and Fairfax circle in Northern Virginia that said, "Get U.S. out of the U.N.". At the time, a lot of people thought whoever put it up and paid for it was nuts. Now we know better. Ya' think he knew something then?

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    The Donkey wrote:
    carracer wrote:
    "From my cold dead hands!"

    2012? 12/21/2012?

    Yes,a Treaty interfering with the PRTKBA has about as much chance to pass the senate as the chances that the world will end on the last date of the Mayan calendar.
    Well Donkey, that may be comforting to those land lubbers amongst us, but for those of us who taketo the high seas, this UN treaty is a very evil infringement on god given rights.

    It is very dangerous because it regulates more than governments, it regulates individuals, something the UN should never be allowed to do.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Oh I'll give them my guns alright,,,one bullet at a time.
    Keep your powder dry!
    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Thomas Jefferson

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    SouthernBoy wrote:
    Back in the 60's, there was a large billboard sign off in a large empty field between Merrifield and Fairfax circle in Northern Virginia that said, "Get U.S. out of the U.N.". At the time, a lot of people thought whoever put it up and paid for it was nuts. Now we know better. Ya' think he knew something then?
    http://www.jbs.org/

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    Here is an article talking about it: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE...;pageId=116041


    Obama revives talk of U.N. gun control
    NRA guests warn international treaty would strip 2nd Amendment rights


    Posted: November 14, 2009
    7:05 pm Eastern

    By Drew Zahn
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    United Nations headquarters

    Gun rights supporters are up in arms over a pair of moves the White House made last month to reverse longstanding U.S. policy and begin negotiating a gun control treaty with the United Nations.

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton first announced on Oct. 14 that the U.S. had changed its stance and would support negotiations of an Arms Trade Treaty to regulate international gun trafficking, a measure the Bush administration and, notably, former Permanent U.S. Representative to the United Nations John Bolton opposed for years.

    Two weeks ago, in another reversal of policy, the U.S. joined a nearly unanimous 153-1 U.N. vote to adopt a resolution setting out a timetable on the proposed Arms Trade Treaty, including a U.N. conference to produce a final accord in 2012.

    "Conventional arms transfers are a crucial national security concern for the United States, and we have always supported effective action to control the international transfer of arms," Clinton said in a statement. "The United States is prepared to work hard for a strong international standard in this area."

    Gun rights advocates, however, are calling the reversal both a dangerous submission of America's Constitution to international governance and an attempt by the Obama administration to sneak into effect private gun control laws it couldn't pass through Congress.

    Bolton, for example, told Ginny Simone, managing editor of the National Rifle Association's NRA News and host of the NRA's Daily News program, "The administration is trying to act as though this is really just a treaty about international arms trade between nation states, but there's no doubt – as was the case back over a decade ago – that the real agenda here is domestic firearms control."

    He continued, "There's never been any doubt when these groups talk about saying they only want to prohibit illicit international trafficking in small arms and light weapons, it begs the whole question of what's legal and what's not legal. And many of the implications of these treaty negotiations are very much in their domestic application. So, whatever the appearance on the surface, there's no doubt that domestic firearm control is right at the top of their agenda."

    Brian Wood, disarmament expert for Amnesty International, explained in a Bloomberg report why his organization and others are pushing for the U.S. to join Arms Trade Treaty talks. Wood said the U.S. is the largest conventional arms trader in the world and the unregulated trade of conventional arms "can fuel instability, transnational organized crime and terrorism."

    "All countries participate in the conventional arms trade and share responsibility for the 'collateral damage' it produces – widespread death, injuries and human rights abuses," said Rebecca Peters, director of the International Action Network on Small Arms in an Agence France-Presse interview. "Now finally governments have agreed to negotiate legally binding global controls on this deadly trade."

    But Bob Barr, a former U.S. representative and presidential candidate of the Libertarian Party, explained in a separate interview with the NRA's Simone how a treaty that looks like it's all about fighting international crime will necessarily lead to erosion of Second Amendment gun rights:

    "Even though [treaty advocates] all say, 'We are not going to involve domestic laws and the right to keep and bear arms, that won't be affected by all this,' that's nonsense," Barr said. "There's no way that if you buy into something like this and a treaty is passed regulating to ensure that firearms transfers internationally don't fall into the hands of people that the U.N. doesn't like, there's no way that that mechanism will work unless you have some form of national regulation and national tracking."

    Bolton not only agrees with Barr's assessment but also sees the treaty as an Obama administration end-run around the Constitution:

    "After the treaty is approved and it comes into force, you will find out that it has this implication or that implication and it requires the Congress to adopt some measure that restricts ownership of firearms," he said. "The administration knows it cannot obtain this kind of legislation purely in a domestic context. … They will use an international agreement as an excuse to get domestically what they couldn't otherwise."

    Clinton's October statement of support for the treaty negotiations was filed with a caveat that the Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty operate under the consensus rule of decision-making, essentially that its provisions be adopted unanimously.

    "Consensus is needed to ensure the widest possible support for the treaty," she stated, "and to avoid loopholes in the treaty that can be exploited by those wishing to export arms irresponsibly."

    But Bolton warned gun owners not to think the consensus rule will stop the treaty from passing.

    "Consensus at the U.N. is a way of saying unanimity, everybody agrees, but in fact, the U.N. in the last eight years could have been very close to consensus on exactly this kind of treaty but for the Bush administration," Bolton said. "So I don't think her comment about consensus offers Second Amendment supporters any consolation, because absent the United States, nobody is really going to put up an objection to this."

    Citizens wishing to speak out on the issue can contact the State Department or the National Rifle Association.



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    45acpForMe wrote:
    Here is an article talking about it: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE...;pageId=116041


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    Oh there you are Donk. You weren't the - um - well, jerk who put that nasty comment on my blog, now, were you?

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    The Donkey wrote:
    World Net Daily = WND = wind
    More like What No-one-else Dares to report!

    I have gotten more good information from WND than anywhere else on the web.

    I believe it is the only free press left! Even FOX news cow-tows to BHO and his minions.

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    The Donkey wrote:
    45acpForMe wrote:
    Here is an article talking about it: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE...;pageId=116041


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    World Net Daily = WND = wind
    How about dealing with the material being presented and set aside your bigotry against those reporting it.

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