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    I was on my way hunting and stopped at the north point walmart in spokane for some supplies. I was in the hunting section when i was approached by management and was asked to leave because i was making people feel uncomfortable (my gun was being carried in a correct legal fashion) and walmart policy prohibits it. I called the GM the next day to complain and he had not heard of any policy that states I count carry my gun. He took my info and was suppose to call me back to let me know if that was the case but never got a call back. I called again tonight and was told by another manager that he sees people with guns all the time and has never heard of a policy that restricts firearms in the store. He also took my info and should be calling me back in the next few days, we'll see.

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    Yep errant anti at work. If the GM is O.K. with it you are good to go. Don't worry about the lesser guy.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    I am often up @ that time of the morning, maybe a visit to the WalMart will be in order, even though I hate going to Wally World.



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    BobR wrote:
    I am often up @ that time of the morning, maybe a visit to the WalMart will be in order, even though I hate going to Wally World.



    bob
    Take one for the team Bob.....lol...
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Private businesses can make up their rules of conduct on the fly, and enforce them on anyone they want, anytime they want, unless the person they are enforcing against is a member of a protected class.

    The internal rules regarding which employee has the authority to make or enforce regulations are none of our business, and a criminal court wouldn't be concerned with them.

    "management" asking you to leave was not illegal. Any employee can ask you to leave at any time for any reason and you must comply or face a trespass charge.

    I'm not saying don't complain. I'm just saying if any employee asks you to leave, you must. Retorting with "well that's not Walmart policy - see I have this email to prove it" will not provide immunity from prosecution.

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    These by chance wernt you?





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    Your wrong on this one as there policy is to follow State law in the State there in.

    Carry on!!!!

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    okkid wrote:
    Your wrong on this one as there policy is to follow State law in the State there in.

    Carry on!!!!
    So how do you enforce this policy if the manager wants you to leave?
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    Just venting and I know you can't just get pissed off when we get pushed around by these people is all.

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    joeroket wrote:
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    Your wrong on this one as there policy is to follow State law in the State there in.

    Carry on!!!!
    So how do you enforce this policy if the manager wants you to leave?
    You don't. sorry.

    I work for a retailer, Staples! That was Easy.

    At times I have asked 'non customers' to leave based on poor behavior or safety. Such as using profanity even after I have asked them to stop. I then simply inform them they are on private property and must leave. There is no 'company policy', I simply have the right as the agent for the property owner to ensure the professionalism and safety of my associates and customers. Frankly I do not need a reason to ask someone to leave. Obviously I would like their business, however there are certain things that I feel require expulsion from a public setting.

    Now that being said (and I would and never have asked someone to leave for OC, by the way I am about a block from Champion Arms and have had OC) here is the best way to respond to a retailer in my opinion.

    Recognize the manager and provide a brief response to both the legality of your position and to knowlege of the companies view on legal activities (I know no retailer that prevents customers from OC or CC, only employees). Get his name and his managers name (location manager). Then follow up in a polite way so that the next time you may OC.
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    Yes your right and I am wrong on what I said. Just makes a guy upset.

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    joeroket wrote:
    okkid wrote:
    Your wrong on this one as there policy is to follow State law in the State there in.

    Carry on!!!!
    So how do you enforce this policy if the manager wants you to leave?
    I agree with leave when asked, but it wasn't the Manager of the store that asked him to leave. So definately follow up and find out what managers stance is.

    When this happened to me I got a call from the GM of Bellingham Wal-mart apologizing, and that he has instructed all his employees that Wal-mart that I and others lawfully carrying are allowed. Another member in Bellngham reported that the guythat asked me to leave told him he got in trouble for it.

    Terry Bellingham manager also told me if I am told again to leave, I don't have to comply, and to call him personally.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    gogodawgs wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    okkid wrote:
    Your wrong on this one as there policy is to follow State law in the State there in.

    Carry on!!!!
    So how do you enforce this policy if the manager wants you to leave?
    You don't.* sorry.

    I work for a retailer, Staples! That was Easy.

    At times I have asked 'non customers' to leave based on poor behavior or safety.* Such as using profanity even after I have asked them to stop.* I then simply inform them they are on private property and must leave.* There is no 'company policy', I simply have the right as the agent for the property owner to ensure the professionalism and safety of my associates and customers.* Frankly I do not need a reason to ask someone to leave.* Obviously I would like their business, however there are certain things that I feel require expulsion from a public setting.

    Now that being said (and I would and never have asked someone to leave for OC, by the way I am about a block from Champion Arms and have had OC) here is the best way to respond to a retailer in my opinion.

    Recognize the manager and provide a brief response to both the legality of your position and to knowlege of the companies view on legal activities (I know no retailer that prevents customers from OC or CC, only employees).* Get his name and his managers name (location manager).* Then follow up in a polite way so that the next time you may OC.
    Thanks for the explanation but my question was rhetoric. I worked retail management for quite a number of years.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    nope lol!

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    I talked to the Shadle ParkWall Mart head of security when he stopped by the OC table at the gun show last week. He clearly stated that OC was OK in all Spokane Wall Marts and to look him up the next time I was in the store.

    I know that tacmedic has carryed in the northpoint Wall Mart on many occasions with out any problems.

    Bennie I think you just got an uninformed manager.

    I feel a trip to Wally World coming up in the next few days I will report back once I go.

    BobR I hate Wall Mart too.



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    Anyone care to join me sometime this week for an OC trip to the Wal-Mart in Lakewood?
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    I went to Wall Mart at Northpoint in Spokane today OC. My wife had a 1 minute conversation with the greeterI was standing 4 or 5 feet away strong side to the greeter, I dont think she noticed. We then went to look for a new blanket spent 15 minutes looking. Then we went to look for a new camera and talked to a sales associate for 10 minutes. Camera sales associatefor suresaw my weapon never batted an eye. All in all we were in Wall Mart for about 35 minutes and noone said a word. I was wearing a bright orange HD tee shirt and jeans with my Smith & Wesson SW9F 9mm IWB holster, hard to miss trigger guard and up was exposed against the orange tee shirt.

    I also went to

    Panda Express lunch 20 minutes

    Harbor Freight Salvage transfer punches 15 minutes

    Shopko contacts, blanket, camera 30 minutes

    Fred Meyer Wandermere Food, camera, blanket 45 minutes

    Coeur D Alene metals home welding project 15 minutes

    AR tool to look at an Ironworker 45 minutes

    Not a word said all day

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    IIRC, it is Wal-Mart company policy to follow state law regarding firearm carry. I have OC'd in my local one many times with no reactions.

    I will check with a good buddy of mine who works there tonight for clarification.

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    Vandal wrote:
    IIRC, it is Wal-Mart company policy to follow state law regarding firearm carry. I have OC'd in my local one many times with no reactions.

    I will check with a good buddy of mine who works there tonight for clarification.
    It is corporate policy for them to follow state law, however that does not mean crap if an employee is asking you to leave. You must still comply at the time and fight it with his superiors later. Believe me managers do not take kindly to others going against policy when it comes to money not being spent in their store.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    joeroket wrote:
    Vandal wrote:
    IIRC, it is Wal-Mart company policy to follow state law regarding firearm carry. I have OC'd in my local one many times with no reactions.

    I will check with a good buddy of mine who works there tonight for clarification.
    It is corporate policy for them to follow state law, however that does not mean crap if an employee is asking you to leave. You must still comply at the time and fight it with his superiors later. Believe me managers do not take kindly to others going against policy when it comes to money not being spent in their store.
    Exactly.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    reply to an email I sent Walmart corporate.

    Thank you for your message.

    Dear Jonathan,

    * There is no policy against customers carrying their handgun in our stores as long as he/she is legally licensed by their state to carry the handgun.

    Sincerely,
    Walmart Customer Relations



    For further correspondence regarding this issue, please reply to this email.

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    I have OC in every Wal-Mart in this region (valley, north, shadle, airway heights) multiple times in each store and was never asked to leave. Was never hassled.

    The employee that usually works the sporting goods counter at the Shadle center thanks me every time, despite knowing me already.

    Take it up with corporate. There has been a long history of corp backing us up by stating Wally Worlds follow the state law that the store resides in.

    If that stores operator starts hearing stuff from corp he will make sure his employees don't goof up again.

    In fact I will be buy that Wal Mart tonight (going to best buy). I will make sure to stop in and walk around for a while and check on some ammo.

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    David.Car wrote:
    I have OC in every Wal-Mart in this region (valley, north, shadle, airway heights) multiple times in each store and was never asked to leave. Was never hassled.

    The employee that usually works the sporting goods counter at the Shadle center thanks me every time, despite knowing me already.

    Take it up with corporate. There has been a long history of corp backing us up by stating Wally Worlds follow the state law that the store resides in.

    If that stores operator starts hearing stuff from corp he will make sure his employees don't goof up again.

    In fact I will be buy that Wal Mart tonight (going to best buy). I will make sure to stop in and walk around for a while and check on some ammo.
    What's best buy's policy on open carry?

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    0V3RC10CK3D wrote:
    What's best buy's policy on open carry?
    I have never been stopped or asked about it. No signs posted. Not gonna ask about their policy until someone gives me a hard time. Probably OCed in the Best Buy at the Y 3-4 dozen times now though.

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