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    Does anyone know the laws affecting us regarding carrying on tribal lands? Is there somewhere I can go to find out?
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    tyguy808 wrote:
    Does anyone know the laws affecting us regarding carrying on tribal lands? Is there somewhere I can go to find out?
    Follow state law. Tribal laws and rules only apply to tribal members. Tribal councils do have the authority to trespass you, however not likely for legally carrying a firearm.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    I was reading somewhere, I can't remember where, that Tribes DO govern their land and that they can make their own rules.
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    tyguy808 wrote:
    I was reading somewhere, I can't remember where, that Tribes DO govern their land and that they can make their own rules.
    They do but they have only been afforded the authority to enforce those rules against tribal members. Non-tribal members follow state law and any infraction or arrest against a non-tribal member can only be for a local or state law.
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    joeroket wrote:
    tyguy808 wrote:
    I was reading somewhere, I can't remember where, that Tribes DO govern their land and that they can make their own rules.
    They do but they have only been afforded the authority to enforce those rules against tribal members. Non-tribal members follow state law and any infraction or arrest against a non-tribal member can only be for a local or state law.
    That is changing on some tribes though. Some of our local tribes are enacting and getting granted soonpowers to try and convict non tribal criminals.

    Most natives I know are pro 2A. I have carried on my local tribe on many occasions mostly concealed because it was mostly business, but the times I have open carried or have discussions, they were for it. Of course most these were from relatives.

    Ty like Hawaiians native americans viewed being armed as a right long before Europeans in America wrote the 2A. One very likely origen of the 2a comes from the this concept and contact with indigenous people.

    That doesn't mean that all tribes or if you are not known to tribal members that you will get away with open carrying on the soveriegn land without being trespassed, or worse.

    edit..I accidently used your full first....oops...don't know if you care or not..
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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    tyguy808 wrote:
    I was reading somewhere, I can't remember where, that Tribes DO govern their land and that they can make their own rules.
    They do but they have only been afforded the authority to enforce those rules against tribal members. Non-tribal members follow state law and any infraction or arrest against a non-tribal member can only be for a local or state law.
    That is changing on some tribes though. Some of our local tribes are enacting and getting granted soonÂ*powers to try and convict non tribal criminals.

    Most natives I know are pro 2A. I have carried on my local tribe on many occasions mostly concealed because it was mostly business, but the times I have open carried or have discussions, they were for it. Of course most these were from relatives.

    Ty like Hawaiians native americans viewed being armed as a right long before Europeans in America wrote the 2A. One very likely origen of the 2a comes from the this concept and contact with indigenous people.

    That doesn't mean that all tribes or if you are not known to tribal members that you will get away with open carrying on the soveriegn land without being trespassed, or worse.

    Â*edit..I accidently used your full first....oops...don't know if you care or not..
    The tribe is not getting granted powers to charge non-tribal members. What they are doing is having their LEO commissioned by the state which allows them to not require assistance from a municipal, county or state LEO when they have contact with a non-tribal member who has committed a crime on the tribal land. This also allows the tribal officers to assist other agencies off tribal land if needed. Before this law was enacted to grant this tribal LEO were not allowed to arrest, only detain, non-tribal members and they were not allowed any authority off tribal land.

    Also the tribe does not get to claim sovereignty due to unlawful conduct by a tribe LEO. They are required by law to be insured just the same as any state law enforcement agency.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    joeroket wrote:
    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    tyguy808 wrote:
    I was reading somewhere, I can't remember where, that Tribes DO govern their land and that they can make their own rules.
    They do but they have only been afforded the authority to enforce those rules against tribal members. Non-tribal members follow state law and any infraction or arrest against a non-tribal member can only be for a local or state law.
    That is changing on some tribes though. Some of our local tribes are enacting and getting granted soonpowers to try and convict non tribal criminals.

    Most natives I know are pro 2A. I have carried on my local tribe on many occasions mostly concealed because it was mostly business, but the times I have open carried or have discussions, they were for it. Of course most these were from relatives.

    Ty like Hawaiians native americans viewed being armed as a right long before Europeans in America wrote the 2A. One very likely origen of the 2a comes from the this concept and contact with indigenous people.

    That doesn't mean that all tribes or if you are not known to tribal members that you will get away with open carrying on the soveriegn land without being trespassed, or worse.

    edit..I accidently used your full first....oops...don't know if you care or not..
    The tribe is not getting granted powers to charge non-tribal members. What they are doing is having their LEO commissioned by the state which allows them to not require assistance from a municipal, county or state LEO when they have contact with a non-tribal member who has committed a crime on the tribal land. This also allows the tribal officers to assist other agencies off tribal land if needed. Before this law was enacted to grant this tribal LEO were not allowed to arrest, only detain, non-tribal members and they were not allowed any authority off tribal land.
    Yes they are getting that, but there are some tribes who have federal and not state treaties, who are working on and will probably get full powers to detain and try non tribal criminals,I knowthe folks working on thistrust me. I hope they do get it. Although it might be sometime off.

    There are cases were tribes have precident over state courts e.g. one of my businesses is a tribal business, and tribal courts take precedent over state, otherwise you have to go federal.

    Also in some divorce/custody cases where one party is not tribal member and othersare many tribes have can overrule state rulings. And even get the trial and procedings moved to tribal court.

    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    SVG, if you could PM me I would really like more info on that. I am unaware of it and it really is a topic that interests me because of my close proximity to Tulalip, which is under the Point Elliot Treaty.
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    I was reading somewhere, I can't remember where, that Tribes DO govern their land and that they can make their own rules.
    I was reading somewhere that they must follow state law and that their rules only apply to tribal members - yep, read it right at the top of this thread.

    There, it's settled.

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    edit..I accidently used your full first....oops...don't know if you care or not..
    Don't really care so much, thanks for the consideration though.
    I am the person responsible for myself, my wife and my son. I take that VERY seriously.

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    joeroket wrote:
    SVG, if you could PM me I would really like more info on that. I am unaware of it and it really is a topic that interests me because of my close proximity to Tulalip, which is under the Point Elliot Treaty.
    My cousin has most the info, There are a few tribes like lummi that have federal treaties. Tulalip and lummi are very closely related though, let me talk to my cousin and find outthe specifics he is more in tune to it.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    SVG, if you could PM me I would really like more info on that. I am unaware of it and it really is a topic that interests me because of my close proximity to Tulalip, which is under the Point Elliot Treaty.
    My cousin has most the info, There are a few tribes like lummi that have federal treaties. Tulalip and lummi are very closely related though, let me talk to my cousin and find outÂ*the specifics he is more in tune to it.
    Lummi and Tulalip are both covered under the same federal treaty.

    I look forward to the info SVG.
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    joeroket wrote:
    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    SVG, if you could PM me I would really like more info on that. I am unaware of it and it really is a topic that interests me because of my close proximity to Tulalip, which is under the Point Elliot Treaty.
    My cousin has most the info, There are a few tribes like lummi that have federal treaties. Tulalip and lummi are very closely related though, let me talk to my cousin and find outthe specifics he is more in tune to it.
    Lummi and Tulalip are both covered under the same federal treaty.

    I look forward to the info SVG.
    The treaty of 1855. Yep most other tribes are under state treaties. I should see my cousing tomorrow, see what he says.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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