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    Please SUBSCRIBE to this column and DIGG and REDDIT this article!

    http://www.examiner.com/x-2782-DC-Gu...end-sail-armed

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    Only hours ago Somali pirates attacked the USS Marsk Alabama in International waters. But unlike last April, when the ship was taken captive, this time the US flagged ship "responded with small-arms fire . . . and evasive maneuvers to thwart the attack." Hard to port ye mateys! It be an American ship ahead!

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    Hell yeah.

    And bless the Mearsk Alabama's crew for having the balls to sail back through Somali waters after the pirates boasted that they would kill Americans after the SEAL shooting.

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    It's about dang time.

    I wonder what the age limit is for the Merchant Marine. I can swab decks as good as anyone. Can furnish my own weapons, too.

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    I don't understand the final paragraph about issuing letters of Marque and Reprisal. The US is a signatory nation to the Hague Convention of 1907.

    Link: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hague07.asp
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    Thundar wrote:
    I don't understand the final paragraph about issuing letters of Marque and Reprisal. The US is a signatory nation to the Hague Convention of 1907.

    Link: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hague07.asp
    OK, what is the point?

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    Here's some interesting info on the subject.

    Thundar, it's not about converting them to warships, it's authorizing private, commercial mariners to capture and/or kill pirates, under the authorization of the US Government.

    TFred


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    I read an article about the captain of the Maersk Alabama. Shortly after returning home, the first thing he did was take a private lesson in how to properly use an AK-47.
    Smart Man.

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    I recommend outfitting them with 5 inch torpedoes.
    When a Somali approaches and displays ill intent, turn 'em loose!
    The piracy problem would be solved within 72 hours!




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    Overtaxed wrote:
    I read an article about the captain of the Maersk Alabama. Shortly after returning home, the first thing he did was take a private lesson in how to properly use an AK-47.
    Smart Man.
    Nice. None of this "oh my gawd I need to wring my hands and pray for those a-holes who held me hostage and got brained for it" crap. No, a better strategy is to turn the ship and her crew into something pirates know to stay clear of.

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    I am very happy for the Marsk Alabama. Hopefully more ships will arm, then the pirates will learn that ships with American flags will be off limits. Then, ships flying the European flags of thosewho dont like guns will be increased targets, knowing they are safe to take.

    And how dumb are those pirates? Did they not get the message about their buddies getting sniped by navy seals last time they tried to take over the Alabama?

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    EVERY PERSON HAS THE GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES FROM UNPROVOKED ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    A big AMEN to that, Joe.

    I actually stumbled onto the Open Carry site during my web searches regarding the East African sea piracy epidemic. I was researching maritime security which eventually led to the gun rights movement.

    I'm in Solano County, between Sacramento and SF. I'm new on here, learning all I can before I attempt an UOC in my town, with my Glock 30. Want to be sure I have it totally covered since I don't really want to get arrested (since I'm considering a 2nd career in LE).

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    myHumboldtopinion wrote:
    A big AMEN to that, Joe.

    I actually stumbled onto the Open Carry site during my web searches regarding the East African sea piracy epidemic. I was researching maritime security which eventually led to the gun rights movement.

    I'm in Solano County, between Sacramento and SF. I'm new on here, learning all I can before I attempt an UOC in my town, with my Glock 30. Want to be sure I have it totally covered since I don't really want to get arrested (since I'm considering a 2nd career in LE).
    Welcome to OCDO. (Open Carry Dot Org). I suggest you spend some time in the California sub-forum, you will get much more helpful information there than in one of the general forums.

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    Hell yea. F them pirates up!
    Those pirates are on tiny manuverable boats, torpedo's wouldn't be very effective.
    A minigun, however, would disintegrate their ships in seconds... literally.

    Privateers in a war would violate international law/agreements.
    Good thing pirates don't count.

    Put a price on their head.

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    Swabbing decks suck, there is no getting around it.....and it's not worth it when you can carry now and NOT swab decks. Or strip and wax them. Even if you are getting paid for it, no matter how much. I'm just saying. I might have thought twice about joining the Navy if I had known about all the extra manual labor that was included

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    This :celebrate:
    Only hours ago Somali pirates attacked the USS Marsk Alabama in International waters. But unlike last April, when the ship was taken captive, this time the US flagged ship "responded with small-arms fire . . . and evasive maneuvers to thwart the attack." Hard to port ye mateys! It be an American ship ahead!
    Greatly helped me to deal with this :




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    Yep we need to stop trying to please the world and arm all our ships merchant or not. Is there a reason why Israeli ships are not attacked, oh yea the pirates know they are armed.
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    An appropriate time to quote the song "America, F*@# Yeah!"

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    TFred wrote:
    Here's some interesting info on the subject.

    Thundar, it's not about converting them to warships, it's authorizing private, commercial mariners to capture and/or kill pirates, under the authorization of the US Government.

    TFred
    TFRED, you are correct that Merchant Ships are allowed to defend themselves, but that is not what my comment was about. Merchant ships cannot go out patrolling the high seas looking for pirates as if they were naval vessels, though we could convert a merchant ship to a naval ship if we wanted.

    Letters of Marque and Reprisal are all about privateers going out to do the work of navies, usually for personal gain. That is what the last paragraph of the gun rights examiner called for. That is exactly what we (the USA) promised not to do in the Hague Convention of 1907. The Hague Convention has the same standing in International Law as the Geneva Convention.
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    Damn it Joe! Do that again and you gotta pay for my blood pressure medicine!
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    I don't see the problem...it's just one man acknowledging his obvious inferiority to another.

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    I don't know if you know exactly how right you are, Tomahawk. I studied Shotokan Karate back in 1972-73 and I know that when bowing to an EQUAL as in before sparring, you keep your eyes fixed on him - NOT the FLOOR. The greeting "Sensei Ni Rei!" "We bow to the Teacher!" was accompanied by the Obama-style bow.

    How ironic that the first black "President" (I can't bring myself not to use quotes) stands before the leader of a former ally of patently racist (duh!) Nazi Germany and uses a gesture that pronounces himself - and by extension America - "inferior"..

    I saw this bow from a different angle and although I was disgusted then, I had no idea that it was not the usual poite bow of greeting but rather the abject expression of inferiority of a pupil or a serf or a subject. Barf-o-Rama.

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    Thundar wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    Here's some interesting info on the subject.

    Thundar, it's not about converting them to warships, it's authorizing private, commercial mariners to capture and/or kill pirates, under the authorization of the US Government.

    TFred
    That is exactly what we (the USA) promised not to do in the Hague Convention of 1907. The Hague Convention has the same standing in International Law as the Geneva Convention.
    In other words, to be crapped on by U.S. Presidents at will.

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    I thought you were supposed to call 911 and wait for the police to arrive.

    When seconds count, the US Navy is only hours away

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    It seems quite simple to me. Every person on a ship should have a PDW of his or her choice. The sides of the ship should be equipped with Mk19's.

    With a few days of training, this would be easy to accomplish, and the problem would be permanently solved.

    Why are easy and effective fixes so unpopular?
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