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    I had an appointment to take the test for LESA Dispatch and Communication Officer. The test was to be taken in Tacoma.

    The last time I went to get my CPL, I had to go into the courthouse, it was easy and they had the metal detectors at the entrance to the building. Empty your pockets into the try and walk through...

    Today, knowing to request a lockbox or a deputy to secure the firearm before going through the metal detectors, I did. I arrived 15 minutes early, expecting the process to take no more than a few minutes. It took the deputy 10 minutes to go from the first floor to the second floor to secure my firearm! Well after giving him my firearm and spare mag and going through the metal detector, I went to the LESA Records area. One person was at the counter and I had to wait to speak with the lady. When they took off and I got up there, I asked her about the testing and I find out that the testing is done in a building across the street! Well making my way to the first floor and across the street and down a little ways to the other building, I end up being 2 minutes late! The lady at the counter in the 955 building was nice enough to reschedule me for Sunday.

    I went back into the 1st floor on the front of the courthouse and went through the metal detectors, up to the second floor and requested my firearm back. It took 25 minutes for the deputy to come up to return my firearm and magazine!


    While typing this, I just received a call from the lady who administers the tests. She said that she made a minor mistake on scheduling, and instead of the first testing time I was told to go, she moved it to a couple hours later. She understood what had happened and said that it's fine, just come in on Sunday to take the two tests.

    I did ask her if I am able to carry my firearm or if I should leave it at home, and she said to leave it at home. I don't know if the building they are testing in is a federal building or not. I'll find out from them on Sunday.

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    Make it difficult enough to carry and most people will stop carrying. I doubt that the extensive delays are anything but purposeful. They could install a bank of lockboxes right by the entrance and the problem would disappear, but it doesn't do anything towards reducing the number of people carrying.

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    I would give it 5-10 minutes and after that I would demand to speak to a surpervisor. If I was not satisfied with the supervisors response, I would go home and file a report with HIS supervisor.

    As far as I am concerned them taking 25 minutes is absurd and negligent to their duty as a public official. At that point you could argue you feel detained because your firearm is not being returned in what a reasonable person would determine is an appropriate amount of time.

    Of course this is all coming from a position that would be very angry that I missed the time because I had to wait oncealready.

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    Government does not care if you have to wait they are mostly unaccountable to us.

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    None of these are federal buildings.

    The county-city building is secured, in compliance with RCW RCW 9.41.300 (1) (b). As a court facility, they are required to provide storage for your handgun.

    The LESA office across the street is not, and I'm not sure how they justify banning firearms there. Perhaps under RCW RCW 9.41.300 (1)(a) though that sure looks like an oversight or bad writing in that part of the RCW, since the intent is clearly to allow them to ban firearm possession in places where offenders or arrestees are housed or processed. (It's also an oversight that such places are not similarly required to provide storage, and guess what--they already to it for their officers anyway!)

    If you really don't want to leave your gun at home, I suppose you could enter the county-city building, put it in storage there, then go across the street and take your test.



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    I experienced the same thing in Tacoma, courthouse across from the Pierce County sheriffs office testing facility. It took the officer 15 minutes just to come get my firearm (and then we had a discussion because I refused to give him my CPL because I don't need one to OC). Then when I left it took him 35 minutes to bring it back.

    It was the polar opposite when I went to a Chandler, AZ courthouse today. They had the lockboxes right there at the door, the lady took my ID wrote down my name and put a copy of my ID with my gun so if she wasn't there they could ID the gun as mine. Didn't ask for my CPL and didn't even need a deputy to take my gun. I took it out, placed it in the box, locked it and that was it. It took 3 minutes.

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    Those times are right about the same I have experianced at King County Courthouse in Seattle. Each time it takes at-least 10 minutes for an officer to come and escort me to the lock boxes and at-least 15 or 20 to come down to let me to get it back.

    The deputy at the door has stated that its because the other officer (the only other one in the building?) is on patrol.

    :quirky

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    swatspyder wrote:
    I went back into the 1st floor on the front of the courthouse and went through the metal detectors, up to the second floor and requested my firearm back. It took 25 minutes for the deputy to come up to return my firearm and magazine!
    You aren't the first person to report this exact problem. I have to wonder if they're hoping to discourage people from using the required service.

    I did ask her if I am able to carry my firearm or if I should leave it at home, and she said to leave it at home.
    Now seriously, were you expecting any different?

    Next time you go, get there 30 minutes early. Bring a book in case it goes well.


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    Do you actually expect good service from any government agency? If you like this, you're sure to like government health care.

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    Ajetpilot wrote:
    Do you actually expect good service from any government agency? If you like this, you're sure to like government health care.
    Let me put it this way, I expected someone to be standing nearby who would secure it, or for there to be a lock box on that floor. Well, now I know what to expect.

    And I do know what the effects of Government Health Care will be. Just hope you die peacefully when you are waiting months to years for a surgery.

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    Well said, swatspyder.

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