Militia Movement Resurfaces across the U.S.

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Master Doug Huffman wrote:

I doubt he, any more than we, apart from the Arrant Knight_Errant, is caught up in causation from an observation.

His data does support a very significant rejection of a properly crafted null hypothesis that he did not mention but that we can imagine. Don't blindly ignore the darkness because you can't see it.

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I know there is a tautology in there somewhere...:dude:

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I know I have a dictionary around here, somewhere...

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I know there is a tautology in there somewhere...:dude:

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I know I have a dictionary around here, somewhere...

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Doug, For your amusement, or scholarly research on an otherwise dreary day, here is a link to the complete ClimateGate download (60+ MB): http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_emails,_data,_models,_1996-2009 Amusingly, the actual file name is called: climactic-research-unit-from-the-leaked-data.zip The second 'c' changes the meaning somewhat. By the way, running the e-mails through a word processor cleans up the formatting and makes them easily readable.

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Thank you. I fetched a copy a day or two after it became publicly available and was promptly overwhelmed. There is lots of chaff for little gain....grain. I imagine that you and I are among the few that pay attention to such details. My mother used 'climateric' as an euphemism for menopause. I hope that this file release is the dénouement of the AGW controversy.

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Tomahawk wrote:

I know there is a tautology in there somewhere...:dude:

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I know I have a dictionary around here, somewhere...

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Ho ho. I was just having a conversation with a learned neighbor (author of Extinction: Bad Luck or Bad Genes) about Climategate. He wrote, in significant part,

Doug, For your amusement, or scholarly research on an otherwise dreary day, here is a link to the complete ClimateGate download (60+ MB): http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_emails,_data,_models,_1996-2009 Amusingly, the actual file name is called: climactic-research-unit-from-the-leaked-data.zip The second 'c' changes the meaning somewhat. By the way, running the e-mails through a word processor cleans up the formatting and makes them easily readable.

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Thank you. I fetched a copy a day or two after it became publicly available and was promptly overwhelmed. There is lots of chaff for little gain....grain. I imagine that you and I are among the few that pay attention to such details. My mother used 'climateric' as an euphemism for menopause. I hope that this file release is the dénouement of the AGW controversy.

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May I suggest keeping the Wiktionary open in another tab?

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I knew you could not be that smart, so you spend most of your time on Wiktionary, thinking up new ways to aggravate people.:?

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Coincidentally. John D. Barrow and Frank J. Tipler, The Anthropic Cosmological Principle, Chapter 3 Modern Teleology and the Anthropic Principles, 3.7 Dysteleology: Entropy and the Heat Death, p 168: Inge wrote in the 1930's an entire book, God and the Astronomers, to discuss the Heat Death theory presented by Jeans and Eddington. He called the Heat Death 'the new Gotterdammerunge' in reference to the Norse myth which held that the world would end with the destruction of everything, including the gods (W. R. Inge, God and the astronomers, Warburton lectures, 1931 - 1933 (Longman's Green, London, 1934), p.24). Inge was not bothered by the Heat Death; indeed, he welcomed it: <<The idea of the end of the world is intolerable only to modernist philosophy, which finds in the idea of unending temporal progress a pitiful substitute for the blessed hope of everlasting life, and in an evolving God a shadowy ghost of the unchanging Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. It is this philosophy which makes Time itself an absolute value, and progress a cosmic principle. Against this philosophy my book is a sustained polemic. Modernist philosophy is, as I maintain, wrecked on the Second Law of thermodynamics; it is no wonder that it finds the situation intolerable, and wriggles piteously to escape from its [c]oils.>>

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Glock34 wrote:

I knew you could not be that smart, so you spend most of your time on Wiktionary, thinking up new ways to aggravate people.:?

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Aww, found out, and by a small caliber son of a gun too, another Pancho Sanza.

To a pair of correspondents that are fiddling with teleology and thermodynamics. One a UWM Emeritus Prof. of Paleo or Anthro (I fergit which), the other a real live employed PE,

Coincidentally. John D. Barrow and Frank J. Tipler, The Anthropic Cosmological Principle, Chapter 3 Modern Teleology and the Anthropic Principles, 3.7 Dysteleology: Entropy and the Heat Death, p 168: Inge wrote in the 1930's an entire book, God and the Astronomers, to discuss the Heat Death theory presented by Jeans and Eddington. He called the Heat Death 'the new Gotterdammerunge' in reference to the Norse myth which held that the world would end with the destruction of everything, including the gods (W. R. Inge, God and the astronomers, Warburton lectures, 1931 - 1933 (Longman's Green, London, 1934), p.24). Inge was not bothered by the Heat Death; indeed, he welcomed it: <<The idea of the end of the world is intolerable only to modernist philosophy, which finds in the idea of unending temporal progress a pitiful substitute for the blessed hope of everlasting life, and in an evolving God a shadowy ghost of the unchanging Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. It is this philosophy which makes Time itself an absolute value, and progress a cosmic principle. Against this philosophy my book is a sustained polemic. Modernist philosophy is, as I maintain, wrecked on the Second Law of thermodynamics; it is no wonder that it finds the situation intolerable, and wriggles piteously to escape from its [c]oils.>>

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I have been reading Barrow and Tipler and noticed this quoted passage that referred to their interest. Or you can believe that I found that on the internet and cut&pasted it for YOUR enlightenment. You would do better to doubt that!

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You mean you all had to wiki "tautology"? Even you, Doug? Time to find a new forum!

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or even this would easier than listening to you...

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Boy I'm glad were all friends here. I swear I'll put my head on the tracks. Anyway, a bit story: When my Father In Law became ill some time back, I sent him a get well card. He was shocked, but I explained: If you die I'll have no one to argue with. He's that way. Continue on guys. Just no gore huh? I still love you both.

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marshaul wrote:

You mean you all had to wiki "tautology"? Even you, Doug? Time to find a new forum!

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Who, me?  Ya think?  Even Ayn Rand's Objectivists know that A=A.

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Boy I'm glad were all friends here. I swear I'll put my head on the tracks. Anyway, a bit story: When my Father In Law became ill some time back, I sent him a get well card. He was shocked, but I explained: If you die I'll have no one to argue with. He's that way. Continue on guys. Just no gore huh? I still love you both.

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I'm just sayin', if you're gonna do it, do it right is all...

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I don't know how to use alot of the fancy computer stuff. I don't chat, nor text, nor twitter. I have a phone, but it's just a phone. I've been through nearly 15 computers so far in life, so I don't put much into them. I just hope you guys aren't seriously angry at each other. Your lucky to be here, and have the mutual support, learning opportunities, and exchange of ideas. Your lucky to have the company, and companionship here. Life has not been kind to me in that respect. So I value and treasure the people I get to meet, and interact with on here. You guys are probably lucky, and have lots of friends. That hasn't been the case for me. All of the people I grew up with, considered close friends have used me, taken advantage of me, betrayed me, and cast me aside. Even my wife's friends took me for all the money they could get, and then tried to wreck my marriage. My coworkers, or once coworkers more correctly put; they used me for all they could get, then stabbed me in the back, and burned me out of my job as an added bonus. I know alot of people, and have alot of customers, but no one ever invites me over, nor says to me: You realy took good care of me, please be my friend. All the people that have done bad things to me, under the guise of friendship, none of them have ever come to say how sorry they were, and that they feel bad inside about what they did to me. I guess that's why I embraced carrying a gun. I know no one will come to help me. But since I've come here I have people to talk with. Open Carriers come to the shop, and prove to be friends, people of outstanding quality, people I can count on and trust. It hurts me to see arguements going on here, I just wish you guys saw/see each other, and yourselves as I do.

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OK. So I got a question. How do I handle a hostile customer if he advances on me. Can I place my hand on my firearm, and with my other arm, extended, palm out, order them to: Halt?

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OK. So I got a question. How do I handle a hostile customer if he advances on me. Can I place my hand on my firearm, and with my other arm, extended, palm out, order them to: Halt?

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