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    Quick back story:

    I was at an establishment a while back at which I could not legally conceal. I was asked to put it in the car. Instead I chose to leave. The manager's words were something like, "You have to put it in your car or I can ask you to leave."

    Am I on notice for possible trespass if I OC there again?

    (Please no comments on how I shouldn't support that business. I am going to write to the owner to clarify their carry policy, but until I do, I will occasionally go there to meet with friends.)
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    Yes, you are on notice. Once you have been told by the business owner, or his agent that OC is not allowed you must comply with it or face possible trespass charge.

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    I wasn't told that it wasn't allowed though - just that she was uncomfortable with it and she wanted me to lock it up. It was the opinion of the manager, not of the owner.

    Same thing, you say?
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    EM87 wrote:
    I wasn't told that it wasn't allowed though - just that she was uncomfortable with it and she wanted me to lock it up. It was the opinion of the manager, not of the owner.

    Same thing, you say?
    If you know who the owner is, speak with him or her in person about their policy, unarmed of course. If you don't know, get a name, email, phone number, etc, and go from there.

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    I wouldn't chance it. Sounds like you can go there without a gun, but if you carry there again you might be trespassing.

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    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    If you know who the owner is, speak with him or her in person about their policy, unarmed of course.* If you don't know, get a name, email, phone number, etc, and go from there.
    I'm in the process of getting in contact with the owner. I'm just bummed that I can't carry there for now.

    My friends meet there every week, and I feel like I don't want to go hang out with them because of having to leave the Glock in the car.

    Hopefully the owner will be on our side.

    Do businesses have to post their finances anywhere? Could I look up the % of alcohol sold?
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    EM87 wrote:
    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    If you know who the owner is, speak with him or her in person about their policy, unarmed of course. If you don't know, get a name, email, phone number, etc, and go from there.
    I'm in the process of getting in contact with the owner. I'm just bummed that I can't carry there for now.

    My friends meet there every week, and I feel like I don't want to go hang out with them because of having to leave the Glock in the car.

    Hopefully the owner will be on our side.

    Do businesses have to post their finances anywhere? Could I look up the % of alcohol sold?
    EM87, PM some of us with pertinent info (business name, address, etc) so we can help you out.

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    In reply to Springer, I'll just post it here.

    Gallagher's Eatery
    4210 Stadium Drive
    Kalamazoo, MI

    I am leaving now to meet with friends there, disarmed once I arrive.

    Here's the link to the original thread, in which I describe what happened that night:

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/27552.html
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    Hmmm I recall an issue with them in the past... at least a year ago if I recall correctly. If I remeber right the owner at that time was against OC... but let us know what you find out.. AFAIK they own the one in Paw Paw too... I have Oced there one time and nothing was said.... but they were very slow and happy for my business... 7 of us showed up an had the place to ourselves. I was the only one OC though.
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

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    EM87 wrote:
    In reply to Springer, I'll just post it here.

    Gallagher's Eatery
    4210 Stadium Drive
    Kalamazoo, MI

    I am leaving now to meet with friends there, disarmed once I arrive.

    Here's the link to the original thread, in which I describe what happened that night:

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/27552.html
    Personally, I don't consider an establishment such as this place a CPZ. I highly doubt they receive 51% in alcohol sales. I've been ask my opinion on this exact situation by LEO's who really didn't know if a person could CC in one of these places. I know it's a "Sports Bar" but even their website mentions they are a family dinning eatery.

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    They sell a ton of food when they are busy ... they really are no diff than TGI Fridays
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

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    autosurgeon wrote:
    They sell a ton of food when they are busy ... they really are no diff than TGI Fridays
    I honestly don't know if I'd OC in one of these places or not, but I wouldn't hesitate to CC. Applebee's, TGIF's, Etc, are all the same to me-I would CC in all of them without concern.

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    I open carry in Apple bee's alot, also been in Outback, Don Pablo's, and Ruby Tuesday, Oh and hooters.


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    The eatery and the pub are under the same roof, connected, so I don't worry about being in the bar portion CCing if they don't make most of their money from alcohol. That being said, I still can't be sure that it's safe to CC there. When I'm there it's always in the bar in the evening, and it looks like they sell a lot of alcohol. I don't know how the restaurant side does, because I'm never there.

    I suppose an email to the owner is the best I can do.
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    EM87 wrote:
    The eatery and the pub are under the same roof, connected, so I don't worry about being in the bar portion CCing if they don't make most of their money from alcohol. That being said, I still can't be sure that it's safe to CC there. When I'm there it's always in the bar in the evening, and it looks like they sell a lot of alcohol. I don't know how the restaurant side does, because I'm never there.

    I suppose an email to the owner is the best I can do.
    In Michigan, it's legal for you to sit at the bar, as long as, as you say, they don't make most of their money from alcohol. Sitting at/in the bar area it would be nearly impossible for you to determine how busy they are in serving food. I'd bet a box of ammo that places largest source of income is from food.

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    I should have a contact email in the next couple of days.

    Until then, are there any basic outlines of letters that have been sent in the past?
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    I have the contact info for the establishment and will be writing them soon.

    I ask again - is there a basic layout for this letter, or should I start from scratch? It's not that I'm asking because I want to copy/paste a letter - it's because I know that there are certain topics that should be covered in a letter like this, and I just don't want to miss any. I will be writing my own words, but just want some guidance.
    "You'll be walking along.. OC.. and you'll feel GREAT. You'll feel FREEEEE like 1776 kind of Free." -cscitney87

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