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    Did Eric Holder spill the beans on Obama gun registration plan?

    The Seattle Gun Rights Examiner takes a hard look at an issuehovering below the radar. The Law Enforcement Alliance of America is all over this one.

    http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m11d24-Has-Holder-spilled-beans-on-Obama-gun-registration-plan

    Or try this:

    http://tinyurl.com/y8f6dwh

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    Wow that is amazing. Here it is all summed up. Holder and corrupt Dems talking about the posession of weapons as if they had the authority to decide which persons were special enough to be allowed to possess them.They were openly speaking of preventing American citizensfrom exercising a god given right affirmed by the constitution.

    “Yes, we will support that legislation. It seems incongrous to me that we would bar certain people from flying on airplanes because they are on the terrorist watch list and yet we would still allow them to posess weapons. I think that the legislation that was intially proposed by the Bush administration was well conceived and we will continue to support that.”

    link: http://gunowners.org/11182009transcript.htm


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    LEAA's Executive Director Jim Fotis said, "Those behind the badge don't believe more restrictions on honest gun owners is a reasonable, practical or constitutional response to acts of terrorism. As a retired officer, I know that America's men and women in blue want to fight terrorism, to stop terrorists; not waste time keeping records on innocent gun owners!"

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    This clearly explains why the Obama administration refuses to call the Ft. Hood terrorist attack what it is. Instead they will use this incident as an excuse to impose a gun registration scheme on law-abiding Americans.

    In some sick way, they must be thrilled at the opportunity. "Never waste a crisis."

    Where's the "puke" icon?

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    • Holder wants new federal authority to prohibit any person on the federal watch list (reported to be 400,000 names) from buying guns and supports confiscating guns from those on the list who possess them.
    This is what historically happens when governments keep lists of names, subsequently confiscating their firearms, leaving them as defenseless victims: www.innocentsbetrayed.com

    Perhaps these 400,000 "subjects" will be the next group of "innocents betrayed"?

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    TFred wrote:
    This clearly explains why the Obama administration refuses to call the Ft. Hood terrorist attack what it is. Instead they will use this incident as an excuse to impose a gun registration scheme on law-abiding Americans.

    In some sick way, they must be thrilled at the opportunity. "Never waste a crisis."

    Where's the "puke" icon?

    TFred
    Is every crazy who goes on a rampage a "terrorist attack"? Or is it just the Muslims?

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    Armond Reese wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    This clearly explains why the Obama administration refuses to call the Ft. Hood terrorist attack what it is. Instead they will use this incident as an excuse to impose a gun registration scheme on law-abiding Americans.

    In some sick way, they must be thrilled at the opportunity. "Never waste a crisis."

    Where's the "puke" icon?

    TFred
    Is every crazy who goes on a rampage a "terrorist attack"? Or is it just the Muslims?
    In the governments eyes??? We areALL terrorists!!!!
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    Holder and corrupt Dems talking about the posession of weapons as if they had the authority to decide which persons were special enough to be allowed to possess them.
    Hey, they're from Chicago. Been doing it that way for years.

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    Remember how Carter's bunch used to be called the "Georgia Mafia"? Now it is the just plain Mafia. The reform mafia, I suppose; because now they let in all sexes and colors - but the leader (Pelosi) is still Italian. (She was raised in Baltimore's Little Italy, and her father was Mayor of Baltimore).

    No doubt about it we are being governed by a cabal of hoodlums. Fortunately this will be dealt with effectively in a few days more than 11 months. The trick is gonna be containing these goons until then.

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    Will even one republican stand up and put in the record that Hasan was already
    on the list, and they still let him buy the guns?

    I don't think having my name on another terrorist list will change much.
    (unless they cross check with the Missouri one that doesn't exist)


    Fortunately I will soon have the ultimate defense against the gun grabbing AG.
    When I get my silencer, I will be documented as NOT A TERRORIST. By definition
    you can't quitely kill people and still be a terrorist.
    So I will have to be placed on the BHO well armed civilian force list instead.
    Holder, I am still awaiting my LAW & TOW's, please see what the holdup is.
    Ironic Hasan acting as a civilian was better armed than the military as BHO wanted.

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    Armond Reese wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    This clearly explains why the Obama administration refuses to call the Ft. Hood terrorist attack what it is. Instead they will use this incident as an excuse to impose a gun registration scheme on law-abiding Americans.

    In some sick way, they must be thrilled at the opportunity. "Never waste a crisis."

    Where's the "puke" icon?

    TFred
    Is every crazy who goes on a rampage a "terrorist attack"? Or is it just the Muslims?
    Are you really sure you want to go here?

    No, not just Muslims.

    But Muslims,

    Who have a clear history of bad-talking the USA in the guise of professional medical advice,
    Who have been observed communicating dozens of times with radical Al-Qeuada clerics in Yemen,
    Who have business cards which indicate "Soldier of Allah",
    Who yell "Allah Akbar" as they carry out the well-planned murder of a dozen US Soldiers...

    Yes, those Muslims are terrorists.

    TFred


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    Holder is a pos, always has been. That obooba appointed him is no surprise. Next year is an election year. We have the chance to send a message to that scumbag and his boss. If we don't, we have no one to blame but ourselves. President Hussein is the worst of his (half) breed, but if the GOP doesn't come up with big gains next year, he'll just become more comfortable trampling on our rights. And with his boy holder shucking and jiving beside him.
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    TFred wrote:
    Armond Reese wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    This clearly explains why the Obama administration refuses to call the Ft. Hood terrorist attack what it is. Instead they will use this incident as an excuse to impose a gun registration scheme on law-abiding Americans.

    In some sick way, they must be thrilled at the opportunity. "Never waste a crisis."

    Where's the "puke" icon?

    TFred
    Is every crazy who goes on a rampage a "terrorist attack"? Or is it just the Muslims?
    Are you really sure you want to go here?

    No, not just Muslims.

    But Muslims,

    Who have a clear history of bad-talking the USA in the guise of professional medical advice,
    Who have been observed communicating dozens of times with radical Al-Qeuada clerics in Yemen,
    Who have business cards which indicate "Soldier of Allah",
    Who yell "Allah Akbar" as they carry out the well-planned murder of a dozen US Soldiers...

    Yes, those Muslims are terrorists.

    TFred
    I'll accept that, so long as "Christians" who kill abortion doctors, and everyone associated with them to the thirtieth degree, the same way some of you condemn Muslims, are considered terrorists as well, when they do it "in the name of god"

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    once our weapons are Registered, then they can go door to door and just TAKE them from you. No knock warrants at 3 am , with these guys ...
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    Molon Labe
    (mo-lone lah-veh)
    Two little words. With these two words, two concepts were verbalized that have lived for nearly two and a half Millennia. They signify and characterize both the heart of the Warrior, and the indomitable spirit of mankind.
    In 480 B.C. the forces of the Persian Empire under King Xerxes, numbering, according to Herodotus, two million men, bridged the Hellespont and marched in their myriads to invade and enslave Greece.
    King Leonidas of Sparta and another Greek city-state agreed to help stop the invading Persians, and marched with 300 hand-picked troops to Thermopylae on the north coast of Greece. Thermopylae was the best of three possible defensive areas in which Xerxes' invading army had to advance. This mountain gap along the coast was about 60 feet wide, and was the best location for a blocking action. The confines between mountains and sea were so narrow that the Persian multitudes and their cavalry would be at least partially neutralized. Since the 300 knew they were going to die fighting against overwhelming force the first requirement was that each man had to have a son left behind.
    When Leonidas was preparing to make his stand, a Persian envoy arrived. The envoy explained to Leonidas the futility of trying to resist the advance of the huge Persian army and demanded that the Spartans lay down their arms. Leonidas told Xerxes "MOLON LABE", or "Come And Get Them."
    "Our archers are so numerous," said the envoy, "that the flight of their arrows darkens the sun."
    "So much the better," replied Dienekes, a Spartan warrior, "for we shall fight them in the shade."
    After days of fighting and having killed countless numbers of Xerxes' elite troops, they were finally overrun after being betrayed by a traitor who showed the enemy another pass behind the defenders. King Leonidas, his Spartans and their Thespian allies died to the last man. Xerxes marched on and destroyed Athens. The standard of valor set by this sacrifice inspired the Greeks to rally and, in that fall and spring, defeat the Persians at Salamis and Plataea and preserve the beginnings of Western democracy and freedom from perishing in the cradle.
    Two memorials remain today at Thermopylae. Upon the modern one, called the Leonidas Monument in honor of the Spartan king who fell there, is engraved his response to Xerxes' demand that the Spartans lay down their arms. Leonidas' reply was two words:
    Molon labe

    " 'Come and get them.' "
    The second monument is a plaque dedicated to those heroes at the site. It reads: "Go tell the Spartans, travelers passing by, that here, obedient to their laws we lie." The point of this true story is when anybody demands you to give up your guns, tell them "MOLON LABE". You may fall in the first fight, but many more will step into your place and a determined and organized people can do anything.
    Molon Labe! (mo-lone lah-veh)
    They mean, “Come and get them!” They live on today as the most notable quote in military history. And so began the classic example of courage and valor in its dismissal of overwhelming superiority of numbers, wherein the heart and spirit of brave men overcame insuperable odds.
    We have adopted this defiant utterance as a battle cry in our war against oppression because it says so clearly and simply towards those who would take our arms.
    It signifies our determination to not strike the first blow, but also to not stand mute and allow our loved ones, and all that we believe in and stand for, to be trampled by men who would deprive us of our God-given – or natural, if you will – rights to suit their own ends.
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    That is a classic story and let us hope it does not come to that.

    More and more people are waking up to what a fraud they fell for. Even Saturday Night Live cannot ignore the stench anymore; and they thoroughly lampooned not just Obama himself and not just his failure to fulfill his campaign promises, but his very policies in an opening skit portraying a press conference with Hu Jintao. The skit even pointed out that every plan Obama had to save money involved spending even more money. Even on liberal-schmiberals, the truth is dawning and the light of day is getting harder to ignore.It is as if they had a belovedrelative who is dead, and they tried to pretend he was only asleep for so long, but eventually he bagan to stink up the place.

    In another development, E-mails from "global warming scientists" were recently hacked, published and have now been authenticaated as being genuine. These items reveal that "scientists" started with a conclusion, workedd to prove it, and deliberately hid evidence to the contrary. The left is scrambling like mad to knock the wheels off this thing, but it is too big.

    The poor Ubamanistas. If they had not tried to reach so far so fast, they might have lulled the nation into a sleep from which it would awaken into a tyranny. But as the topic of this thread shows, they are nonetheless in power and become ever more dangerous as they beccome ever more desperate. Make no mistake, we are battling a Hydra here.

    Oddly enough the worst thing that could happen would be if "president" Obama were to be - well, you know. And yet the SS - The same SS who busted Mtn Jack (memba him?) and were SOOOOOO damn vigilant let a couple of semifamous party crashers into the recent State Dinner. Sure they went through metal detectors. Does the SS know that youcan make a dandy dagger out of Plexiglas?? I hope the SS gets their act back together. I want Obama voted out or impeached out. If he is carried out, the riots that would ensue would make the King Assassination look like a Sunday-school picnic. And Arlington Cemetery?? Isn't it bad enough that Ted Kennedy is in there??

    This pack of idiots, criminals, communists and traitors can be contained. It will not be easy, but it can be done. They have woven the proverbial tangled web of deciet and are by degrees being gummed up in it. IMO if you have the guts to say "MOLON LABE" when and if the time comes then you have the guts to stop these vermin before it comes to that. And when the Federal Marshals come to pry Barack and Michelle's fingers off the doorjamb of the White House on January 20, 2013 we can all say:

    SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!



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    "And Arlington Cemetery?? Isn't it bad enough that Ted Kennedy is in there??"



    They desecrated sacred ground when they buried the Chappaquidick murderer there.
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    Gunslinger wrote:
    "And Arlington Cemetery?? Isn't it bad enough that Ted Kennedy is in there??"



    They desecrated sacred ground when they buried the Chappaquidick murderer there.
    AMEN!!!
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    Armond Reese wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    Armond Reese wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    This clearly explains why the Obama administration refuses to call the Ft. Hood terrorist attack what it is. Instead they will use this incident as an excuse to impose a gun registration scheme on law-abiding Americans.

    In some sick way, they must be thrilled at the opportunity. "Never waste a crisis."

    Where's the "puke" icon?

    TFred
    Is every crazy who goes on a rampage a "terrorist attack"? Or is it just the Muslims?
    Are you really sure you want to go here?

    No, not just Muslims.

    But Muslims,

    Who have a clear history of bad-talking the USA in the guise of professional medical advice,
    Who have been observed communicating dozens of times with radical Al-Qeuada clerics in Yemen,
    Who have business cards which indicate "Soldier of Allah",
    Who yell "Allah Akbar" as they carry out the well-planned murder of a dozen US Soldiers...

    Yes, those Muslims are terrorists.

    TFred
    I'll accept that, so long as "Christians" who kill abortion doctors, and everyone associated with them to the thirtieth degree, the same way some of you condemn Muslims, are considered terrorists as well, when they do it "in the name of god"
    +1
    I know a lot of Muslims, and I have studied Islam.
    What most people don't realize is, they find it very difficult to speak bad of anyone who calls themselves Muslim, also to them you almost never speak ill of the dead. This has to do with the solid religious beliefs that cause most Muslims to live by example, hoping to influence those around him by doing so. Generally most devout Muslims (of true islam) do this on an individual basis, they do not think it is their place to be in the public spotlight (because they know that power corrupts, big time) One of their major beliefs is There is no compulsion in Islam. So you can see how they feel about the Taliban and Al Queda etc.

    As for 'muslim terrorist' you have to realize, Just as we consider those people who kill doctors, nurses and even janitors in the name of god who say they are christian we just call CRAZY. We know they are crazy people and we do not judge or label ourselves (as a nation who is mostly Christian) by the these crazies. Similarly The muslim world considers these groups to be CRAZY. Just plain old vanilla crazy. They don't judge or label themselves by their actions.

    Maybe you see the parallel here.
    1)People in power
    2) Know whats best for you, no matter what your founding tennants are.
    3) Like to take rights / responsabilities from the people
    4) Obfuscate the truth to keep people ignorant.
    4) Use shiny object across world to keep your attention a million miles away so you don't see whats happening right in front of you.
    5) create mantra chanting zealots who don't think logically
    6) give you the big bad 'others' to hate and villify so they can change things in order to fight them.

    Obviously this is the list for America... Oh wait, its the list for the Muslims.... or.... hmmm.

    POWER CORRUPTS.
    Using the MUSLIM label is conforming to the gameplan.

    Lets pray to God our society doesn't get so far gone.
    And lets pray to God that the Muslim society can raise from its horrible state.

    And since it is Thanksgiving. Thank you Native Americans for assisting our ancestors. I am horribly saddened by what happened to you afterwards. I pray the virginia Indians get the federal recognition they deserve.
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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    Gunslinger wrote:
    "And Arlington Cemetery?? Isn't it bad enough that Ted Kennedy is in there??"



    They desecrated sacred ground when they buried the Chappaquidick murderer there.
    AMEN!!!
    May I second that?

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    "Just as we consider those people who kill doctors, nurses and even janitors in the name of god who say they are christian we just call CRAZY."

    Wow! I hadn't considered that!Lately Ijust have been overlooking the countless times I've heard about Christians killing in the name of God!


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    What did they call David Koresh?

    Remember who the "homegrown terrorist" was? Timothy McVeigh.

    I think the jury is still out on whether Hassan was simply crazy with a religous twist, or a religous fanatic committing an act of terror?

    IMHO it will make a difference in how to handle his charges ... as far as I can tell, it looks like Hassan was radicalized and falls in the second category.

    The disturbing issue is that BHO and EH will use this as an excuse to attack the 2A again. Our problem, as was with Janet Reno, is that we, the American people have no way to actually influence EH directly.


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    The really goofy twist in all this is that Holder is trying to say the whole thing was his idea and Obama didn't have anything to do with it.

    HUH?

    I went over my copy of the Constitution again and it says nothing about the President being Head of General Motors; nothing about being the Exchequer of Medicine; nothing about being Chief of Job Creation. Nothing, in fact, about him being in charge of anything he has put himself in charge of.

    However it very plainly says that he is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. One of the few things he is actually supposed to be doing and what does he do in that capacity?? Dither, dither, dither and then pass the buck for dealing with high-profile unlawful combatant POWs to his Attorney General. Isn't there any way of getting rid of a nincompoop "president"?? Maybe we need to amend the Constitution to say a President shall be impeached for High Crimes, Misdemeanors and Gross Incompetence.

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Maybe we need to amend the Constitution to say a President shall be impeached for High Crimes, Misdemeanors and Gross Incompetence.
    I've been wondering aboutthis very question since January. He hasbeen proven completely incompetent in his duties as Commander in Chief and overstepped his "bounds" in more ways than I everimagined possible since he moved into public housing.

    It isn't hard to prove he's been directly involved with more organized crime than Al Capone ever dreamed of controlling. He could even teach Lepke Buchalter, America's Most Ruthless Labor Racketeer a few tricks!!!

    The sad thing is, This "Congress" would never impeach him, even if he pulled the trigger on the White House Lawn in front of a crowd of thousands along with TV and newspaper reporters in attendance.
    His Holiness, Grand Exhalted, The Chosen One , Osamabamamama can do no wrong...
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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Maybe we need to amend the Constitution to say a President shall be impeached for High Crimes, Misdemeanors and Gross Incompetence.
    I've been wondering aboutthis very question since January. He hasbeen proven completely incompetent in his duties as Commander in Chief and overstepped his "bounds" in more ways than I everimagined possible since he moved into public housing.

    It isn't hard to prove he's been directly involved with more organized crime than Al Capone ever dreamed of controlling. He could even teach Lepke Buchalter, America's Most Ruthless Labor Racketeer a few tricks!!!

    The sad thing is, This "Congress" would never impeach him, even if he pulled the trigger on the White House Lawn in front of a crowd of thousands along with TV and newspaper reporters in attendance.
    His Holiness, Grand Exhalted, The Chosen One , Osamabamamama can do no wrong...
    Same has been said for every president in my lifetime. The Constitution is printed on the White House toilet paper because they know they will never suffer for their crimes.

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