Pace
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I removed my comment because I dont think racist remarks deserve any reply. They say it all.
I removed my comment because I dont think racist remarks deserve any reply. They say it all.
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Maricopa County Swat Encounter
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Michigander
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Pace wrote:
Pace wrote:
Saying "spic" is racist against Mexicans as a category of people. But the term "wet back" is not by itself racist. It is used that way most often, but in this context, I take it merely as a rude way to describe illegal immigrants, who I am the first to agree are a very serious problem, particularly along the southern border.
suntzu
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Pace wrote:
Having a swat team for busting up the occasional Albanian and Russian mafia operations does not justify their existence. Swat teams nationwide like to walk around and dress like and act like the Army--and they are not.
Law enforcement should not be militarized for any purpose. Militarization is the business of the Active duty, national guard and the state militias which fall under the authority of the national guard. If the police want to act like the army--join the army. If they want to be police--be police, but don't mix the two.
Pace wrote:
I'm sorry, it does not take a swat team to arrest a porn ring. Also, the use of swat teams has reached far beyond what they should be used for.
Having a swat team for busting up the occasional Albanian and Russian mafia operations does not justify their existence. Swat teams nationwide like to walk around and dress like and act like the Army--and they are not.
Law enforcement should not be militarized for any purpose. Militarization is the business of the Active duty, national guard and the state militias which fall under the authority of the national guard. If the police want to act like the army--join the army. If they want to be police--be police, but don't mix the two.
Gunslinger
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suntzu wrote:
I'm waiting for the SS lightning slashes on their armbands. SWAT is a beacon for every sociopath that entered the cops because his IQ was too low for the army--or Burger King. Of course the next step is historical:
"We must take the guns from the people to make the streets safe for the SS."
A. Hitler
suntzu wrote:
I'm waiting for the SS lightning slashes on their armbands. SWAT is a beacon for every sociopath that entered the cops because his IQ was too low for the army--or Burger King. Of course the next step is historical:
"We must take the guns from the people to make the streets safe for the SS."
A. Hitler
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suntzu wrote:
so they rely on police for EVERYTHING! civilian police for military bases, civilian police for riots, crowd control, and natural disasters (until they need money, then they cry to the federal government) hell even over seas they have to hire civilians because our "military rules" dont apply to them so they can actually get done what needs to be done in war. kill the enemy!
after seeing what happened to those 3 navy seals, i question if i ever want to re-enlist
suntzu wrote:
that is one of the biggest problems i have noticed within the last couple years in this country. LE has WAY to much power. its, "lets send the military over seas so they can not do their job because all the UN and NATO rules" than, "we dont actually want to arm military personnel in america because they are a threat to homeland security"
so they rely on police for EVERYTHING! civilian police for military bases, civilian police for riots, crowd control, and natural disasters (until they need money, then they cry to the federal government) hell even over seas they have to hire civilians because our "military rules" dont apply to them so they can actually get done what needs to be done in war. kill the enemy!
after seeing what happened to those 3 navy seals, i question if i ever want to re-enlist
marshaul
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RJ wrote:
RJ wrote:
lol, you've already been banned. What else need I say? Cry some more?
marshaul
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Gunslinger wrote:
Gunslinger wrote:
+1
Pace
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I have my own opinions, as a Libertarian about police and the use of force, the unnecessary use of Swat teams. I think most of the anger comes from the fact that yes, that the paramilitary aspect of the police is overused, and that I do agree.
Either way, I'm all for protesting swat, because content can breed dictators... so even if I disagree, I am all for going to a little the "other way" in order to keep things in line.
Please however, don't make this a COP bashing forum, because there are many, many amazing police officers that agree 100% with our cause.
Best,
Pace
I have my own opinions, as a Libertarian about police and the use of force, the unnecessary use of Swat teams. I think most of the anger comes from the fact that yes, that the paramilitary aspect of the police is overused, and that I do agree.
Either way, I'm all for protesting swat, because content can breed dictators... so even if I disagree, I am all for going to a little the "other way" in order to keep things in line.
Please however, don't make this a COP bashing forum, because there are many, many amazing police officers that agree 100% with our cause.
Best,
Pace
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i agree with that. their are plenty of good cops in AZ. iv worked with alot and most are really cool/down to earth.
swat is necessary but yes they do f*** up. from what iv seen it can be due to alot of things, usually bad intel. no excuse for busting down the average citizens front door but it does happen and they sometimes pay the price for it. i still dont see how they get anything done though honestly, everytime iv seen swat in action they always have the worst tactics, communication, and muzzle awareness... guess sending multiple guys into a house while dressed in black is enough for them to surrender lol
i agree with that. their are plenty of good cops in AZ. iv worked with alot and most are really cool/down to earth.
swat is necessary but yes they do f*** up. from what iv seen it can be due to alot of things, usually bad intel. no excuse for busting down the average citizens front door but it does happen and they sometimes pay the price for it. i still dont see how they get anything done though honestly, everytime iv seen swat in action they always have the worst tactics, communication, and muzzle awareness... guess sending multiple guys into a house while dressed in black is enough for them to surrender lol
KBCraig
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Gunslinger wrote:
How about the LAPD "Special Investigation Section"? Here's the Kimber 1911 custom made for them with their logo:
Gunslinger wrote:
How about the LAPD "Special Investigation Section"? Here's the Kimber 1911 custom made for them with their logo:
Pace
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One shouldn't forget that the average police officer is doing what he is told to do. It's often enforcing bad laws... There are tons police officers who think the war on drugs is a joke, but they still every day are forced to arrest people. There are tons of cops who have no problem with citizens bearing arms, but have to arrest an old lady for defending herself in NYC.
Something to think about.
One shouldn't forget that the average police officer is doing what he is told to do. It's often enforcing bad laws... There are tons police officers who think the war on drugs is a joke, but they still every day are forced to arrest people. There are tons of cops who have no problem with citizens bearing arms, but have to arrest an old lady for defending herself in NYC.
Something to think about.
Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV
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RJ wrote:
As for RJ's assumptions, I just have to laugh, since I'm a native N. Arizonan, and we take care of our own business up here very well. Actual law enforcement personnel involvement trends from non-existent to minimal.
Outside of that, RJ strikes me as someone who's ability does not probably back up their talk. YMMV.
RJ wrote:
All well and good. RJ needs to get a reality check anyway. Having had several members of my family (and numerous friends) in AZ law enforcement at one time or another, I can say on fair authority that "Sheriff Joe" is quite corrupt (and his MCSO deputies know it -- trust me). That has absolutely nothing to do with his activities with illegals, etc.
As for RJ's assumptions, I just have to laugh, since I'm a native N. Arizonan, and we take care of our own business up here very well. Actual law enforcement personnel involvement trends from non-existent to minimal.
Outside of that, RJ strikes me as someone who's ability does not probably back up their talk. YMMV.
Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV
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Pace wrote:
Of course, that would have made life interesting -- but then again I've never suffered fools well.
Pace wrote:
Thinking about it, and knowing my warped sense of humor, I would have probably burst out laughing when one of the MCSO boys said "...open carry nutcases.", and responded with something like "and who's the one who runs around in camo and/or tactical gear playing soldier?"
Of course, that would have made life interesting -- but then again I've never suffered fools well.
kenpoprofessor
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Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV wrote:
As a personal friend of RJ, I can assure you he can handle his business and back his talk. RJ is banned so he cannot respond, but I will act as his proxy in this instance.
Clyde
Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV wrote:
As a personal friend of RJ, I can assure you he can handle his business and back his talk. RJ is banned so he cannot respond, but I will act as his proxy in this instance.
Clyde
Gunslinger
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KBCraig wrote:
KBCraig wrote:
That's been noted several times in magazine reviews. While I'm not a fan of Kimbers in general--I like and carry SIG GSR type 1911s, I do like that pistol.Gunslinger wrote:
How about the LAPD "Special Investigation Section"? Here's the Kimber 1911 custom made for them with their logo:
Gunslinger
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Pace wrote:
Pace wrote:
I agree that there are many good cops. But SWAT has become over the top, imo. Not in every case, of course, but too often for a free society. As I recall the Horst Wessel Lied, there is a line about " the streets are safe for the Storm Troopers (Sturmabteilangsmen, if my German hasn't failed me.)" It isn't that far to substitute SWAT.
kenpoprofessor
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marshaul wrote:
You should really takeyour attitude to Calguns and cry over there, somebody might even listen. You live in Frisco, the true heart of Sanctuary Cities, yet you come here to argue about our Sheriff that we voted in, happily I might add. San Franfreakshow is almost as bad as Chicago for corruption, so throw stones at your own glass house.
Clyde
marshaul wrote:
You should really takeyour attitude to Calguns and cry over there, somebody might even listen. You live in Frisco, the true heart of Sanctuary Cities, yet you come here to argue about our Sheriff that we voted in, happily I might add. San Franfreakshow is almost as bad as Chicago for corruption, so throw stones at your own glass house.
Clyde
marshaul
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Well, if you enjoy it that much, I think I'll find some other anti-Joe posts to make here.
Well, if you enjoy it that much, I think I'll find some other anti-Joe posts to make here.
marshaul
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Ooh, my favorite libertarian blogger has just recently made a post about ol' Joe. How convenient!
I'm so glad to be able to share it at kenpoprofessor's request.
Classically Liberal wrote:
Ooh, my favorite libertarian blogger has just recently made a post about ol' Joe. How convenient!
I'm so glad to be able to share it at kenpoprofessor's request.
Classically Liberal wrote:
marshaul
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Maybe you'll also enjoy this website devoted entirely to anti-Joe sentiment:
http://www.arpaio.com/
Maybe you'll also enjoy this website devoted entirely to anti-Joe sentiment:
http://www.arpaio.com/