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Planning an OC event in VA and have some questions

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peter nap wrote:
altajava wrote:
peter nap wrote:
Sorry!
I have a firm policy of not leaving Virginia (Everything north of Fredericksburg is out)
That right thar is funny, I was under the impression The South did not begin until you reached the latatude of Richmond.
Naaa...That's just where they forgot to pronounce the letter R.

YA'LL HAVE ITALL WRONG! ANYONE LIVING NORTH OF SALUDA IS A DAMN YANKEE!

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ODA 226 wrote:
peter nap wrote:
altajava wrote:
peter nap wrote:
Sorry!
I have a firm policy of not leaving Virginia (Everything north of Fredericksburg is out)
That right thar is funny, I was under the impression The South did not begin until you reached the latatude of Richmond.
Naaa...That's just where they forgot to pronounce the letter R.

YA'LL HAVE ITALL WRONG! ANYONE LIVING NORTH OF SALUDA IS A DAMN YANKEE!

:p:D;):cool:


TECHNICALLY, the Mason-Dixon Line actually runs right through CAPE MAY COURTHOUSE, NJ of all places...

They have a historical marker to that effect. I lived in Cape May when I found that out. Interesting history around that area.


EDIT: This story has a great deal of controversy involved, so before anyone gets their panties in a twist, its just one of many "stories and theories" based on letters, opinions and ( ) * ( )


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MSC 45ACP wrote:
TECHNICALLY, the Mason-Dixon Line actually runs right through CAPE MAY COURTHOUSE, NJ of all places...

They have a historical marker to that effect. I lived in Cape May when I found that out. Interesting history around that area.


EDIT: This story has a great deal of controversy involved, so before anyone gets their panties in a twist, its just one of many "stories and theories" based on letters, opinions and ( ) * ( )


msc



Mike

Technically NJ is like NY couldn't get anything right. The Mason Dixon Line divides the Calvert and Penn family colony holdings and create the borders of Maryland with Pennsylvania and Delaware. It starts at the western portion of MD and PA then turns south at the MD and DE border. At the time DE was part of the Pennsylvania Colony, as was NJ.

http://geography.about.com/od/politicalgeography/a/masondixon.htm
http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/namerica/usstates/lgcolor/mdmasondixon.htm


NJ and NY still can't decide where the border is between their two states. They're still arguing over Liberty Island.
 

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Wolf:

I've read that, too. The NJ thing was somethingI came across around 1986. It was a local story that didn't hold much water. There are a few vague references on the web, but not many. I know the original line was the MD/PA line and then went south along the DE border. I'm a history nut and love studying things that aren't common knowledge. Fun stuff.

When are you coming down to "civilization" again to go shooting?

m
 

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Let me get this straight, a bunch of guys with rifles are going to stand under the flight path of Reagan National Airport.

Ok the antis are going to have a field day with that picture and if anyone has a negligent discharge we can certainly expect a push to shut down the national parks to carry.

I'm sorry I don't see how this helps the cause, it seems quite the opposite to me.
 

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longwatch wrote:
Let me get this straight, a bunch of guys with rifles are going to stand under the flight path of Reagan National Airport.

Ok the antis are going to have a field day with that picture and if anyone has a negligent discharge we can certainly expect a push to shut down the national parks to carry.

I'm sorry I don't see how this helps the cause, it seems quite the opposite to me.

The main event would not be in the parking lot close to the airport, but up toward the north end of Gravelly Point near the bridge going into DC. "As close to DC as possible," not as close to the airport as possible. Everyone would be instructed to carry their rifles on their backs, muzzle down, and unloaded, if they chose to bring rifles. The point of this is to step right up to the line and get in Washington's face as much as possible, notto do anything unsafe.

I've been to tea party events,health care protest events, etc, and the politicians and MSM could care less. 9-12 had a million plus people on the Mall, but didCNN or MSNBC or Robert Gibbs, or Nancy Pelosi, or Harry Ried EVER, EVER acknowledge ANY of the 9-12 list of values and principles??? Did they? Did they acknowledge the 'Can You Hear Us Now" protests? Nope! Have most on here even heard of the "Can You Hear Us Now?" events?

Can They Hear Us Now?? The answer is 'no.'
 

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longwatch wrote:
Let me get this straight, a bunch of guys with rifles are going to stand under the flight path of Reagan National Airport.

Ok the antis are going to have a field day with that picture and if anyone has a negligent discharge we can certainly expect a push to shut down the national parks to carry.

I'm sorry I don't see how this helps the cause, it seems quite the opposite to me.
I am kinda feelin this way too...
 

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NJ and NY still can't decide where the border is between their two states. They're still arguing over Liberty Island.

The Statue of Liberty is reallyin NJ.

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and some folks in Cape May, NJ fly confederate flags and consider themselves Southerners.
 

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BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
Everyone would be instructed to carry their rifles on their backs, muzzle down, and unloaded, if they chose to bring rifles.

You do realize that this being public property, you cannot "instruct" anyone as to how they must carry their rifle, right? I personally would not be carrying a rifle myself, but if I were, it would be loaded.

Second point: Pistols are defensive tools for close quarters self defense, rifles are offensive tools meant for long range engagement, further than you could claimfor a self defense shooting. Therefore, carrying a rifle, while legal, is not viewed the same (by the public) as carrying a pistol. Several folks here on OCDO have discussed long rifle OC before, I think a few have even done it. I have always been against holding group rallies with open carried long rifles, it has the wrong look, feel, and tone that we (OCDO at large) are NOT trying to conveyduring our open carry activism. Legal as it may be, the same point is made with pistols and introducing rifles into the mix simply gives the anti-gun press more fodder and video to use against our movement.

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nakedshoplifter wrote:
BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
Everyone would be instructed to carry their rifles on their backs, muzzle down, and unloaded, if they chose to bring rifles.

You do realize that this being public property, you cannot "instruct" anyone as to how they must carry their rifle, right? I personally would not be carrying a rifle myself, but if I were, it would be loaded.

Second point: Pistols are defensive tools for close quarters self defense, rifles are offensive tools meant for long range engagement, further than you could claimfor a self defense shooting. Therefore, carrying a rifle, while legal, is not viewed the same (by the public) as carrying a pistol. Several folks here on OCDO have discussed long rifle OC before, I think a few have even done it. I have always been against holding group rallies with open carried long rifles, it has the wrong look, feel, and tone that we (OCDO at large) are NOT trying to conveyduring our open carry activism. Legal as it may be, the same point is made with pistols and introducing rifles into the mix simply gives the anti-gun press more fodder and video to use against our movement.

Disclaimer: I do not speak for the owners of OCDO, my opinions are my own.

yes, of course. perhapsI should use the word 'suggest" vice 'instruct."



I think I asked some pretty hard-to-avoid questions in my last post that pertain to what I'm proposing here. It is very, very, easy to point out the drawbacks and difficulties of what I'm doing here. It's very easy to say this wouldn't help or that it would be poorly perceived by some.I get all that. But before tearing down my idea along the predictable lines, please answer the questions I have posed in my last post, and explain whatyour better idea ison how to raise the issue of the government's non-compliance with the constitution. And if your better idea is basically the same approach that's been tried already.........yawn. Been there, done that, ready to try something else.

While the open carry movement, traditionally, has been more about pistols, I think I can make a pretty strong argument that the Second Amendment is not. While "arms" are arms, whenI think fo theSecond Amendment's purpose and complete wording, it seems to me to be about rifles and defense against foreign invasion and government tyranny, andnot about defense against the common criminal.While I fully agree that pistols are protected just as much by 2A, I'm not going to leave my rifle at home on 19 April 2010.
 

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NakedShop:

VERY well-put. I agree 100%. Although it is LEGAL to OC a rifle, I can think of very few times when it isappropriate to do so. When the power is out and scumbags are driving around your neighborhood looking for mischief is one of those times.

I'm a firm believer that when a few neighbors and I OC'd (long guns and pistols, all on slings or in holsters), we were a deterrent to a few non-locals that were "looking for something to do".

Standing around with a slung rifle in the flight path of one of the nation's busiest airports (AND the airport that most Senators and Congressmen use) is just a bad idea. You may as well have an SA-7. :quirky

If it isattention you want, attention you willget. Why tweak the tiger's nose?
Eventually, the tiger will bite the hand that tweaked it.
 

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BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
nakedshoplifter wrote:
BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
yes, of course. perhapsI should use the word 'suggest" vice 'instruct."



I think I asked some pretty hard-to-avoid questions in my last post that pertain to what I'm proposing here. It is very, very, easy to point out the drawbacks and difficulties of what I'm doing here. It's very easy to say this wouldn't help or that it would be poorly perceived by some.I get all that. But before tearing down my idea along the predictable lines, please answer the questions I have posed in my last post, and explain whatyour better idea ison how to raise the issue of the government's non-compliance with the constitution. And if your better idea is basically the same approach that's been tried already.........yawn. Been there, done that, ready to try something else.

While the open carry movement, traditionally, has been more about pistols, I think I can make a pretty strong argument that the Second Amendment is not. While "arms" are arms, whenI think fo theSecond Amendment's purpose and complete wording, it seems to me to be about rifles and defense against foreign invasion and government tyranny, andnot about defense against the common criminal.While I fully agree that pistols are protected just as much by 2A, I'm not going to leave my rifle at home on 19 April 2010.
OK I'll give some suggestions.

Have it somewhere else. Va has a very promising year ahead. I, and this in MY opinion, don't think we need that kind of publicity. Aside from that, I wasn't joking when I said I wasn't going up there. I think you'll find a lot of Virginians that feel that way. Traffic's horrible and there are too many people.

Revise your thinking. There is no open carry MOVEMENT. in Va. It's legal, has been all my life. The only revelation is that a lot of people are finding it out and exercising that right.
Many Virginians carry a rifle or shotgun daily. I'm sitting in my truck with a 45/90, my handgun's in a compartment in the back of the truck.

Suggestion 3 and the last one. Look closely at VCDL's Freedom Rally. That was well planned, well executed and very effective.
 

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MSC 45ACP wrote:
Wolf:

I've read that, too. The NJ thing was somethingI came across around 1986. It was a local story that didn't hold much water. There are a few vague references on the web, but not many. I know the original line was the MD/PA line and then went south along the DE border. I'm a history nut and love studying things that aren't common knowledge. Fun stuff.

When are you coming down to "civilization" again to go shooting?

m

M

I figured you knew that I just had to vent. It still amases me how people get through school and don't know the history of this country.

Not sure when I might get over. Things have been hectic around here. I need a break.

Wolf
 

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ed wrote:
nakedshoplifter wrote:
Disclaimer: I do not speak for the owners of OCDO, my opinions are my ownHawkflyer's and Ed's in this case.
:)

There, I fixed it for you.

Moreover "peter nap" is also correct in that unless I have a very solid reason to leave the free world for a socialist bulwark, I never go up to or into DC. I certainly have NO intention of standing in a crowd where people are carrying rifles (loaded or not) anywhere near ANY airport let alone National airport.

In my view there is no place between Arlington cemetery and Washington sailing Marina along the Virginia river front where this activity would not draw unwanted and undesirable LOE and press attention to firearms ownership in general and OC in particular. There may come a time when projection of the kind of threat you have suggested would be proper. We are not there yet.

Regards
 

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Know your targeted audience and anticipate their reaction. If it is counter-productive to our goals, the message is poorly directed. IMO - this style of meet-up/demonstration will not further our cause and offers those that would restrict our rights additional mileage.

Further, I think the scope of this is beyond the intents and purposes of this forum. It most assuredly is not the style that most here desire.

I decline the invitation without regret.

Yata hey
 

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peter nap wrote:
BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
nakedshoplifter wrote:
BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
yes, of course. perhapsI should use the word 'suggest" vice 'instruct."



I think I asked some pretty hard-to-avoid questions in my last post that pertain to what I'm proposing here. It is very, very, easy to point out the drawbacks and difficulties of what I'm doing here. It's very easy to say this wouldn't help or that it would be poorly perceived by some.I get all that. But before tearing down my idea along the predictable lines, please answer the questions I have posed in my last post, and explain whatyour better idea ison how to raise the issue of the government's non-compliance with the constitution. And if your better idea is basically the same approach that's been tried already.........yawn. Been there, done that, ready to try something else.

While the open carry movement, traditionally, has been more about pistols, I think I can make a pretty strong argument that the Second Amendment is not. While "arms" are arms, whenI think fo theSecond Amendment's purpose and complete wording, it seems to me to be about rifles and defense against foreign invasion and government tyranny, andnot about defense against the common criminal.While I fully agree that pistols are protected just as much by 2A, I'm not going to leave my rifle at home on 19 April 2010.
OK I'll give some suggestions.

Have it somewhere else. Va has a very promising year ahead. I, and this in MY opinion, don't think we need that kind of publicity. Aside from that, I wasn't joking when I said I wasn't going up there. I think you'll find a lot of Virginians that feel that way. Traffic's horrible and there are too many people.

Revise your thinking. There is no open carry MOVEMENT. in Va. It's legal, has been all my life. The only revelation is that a lot of people are finding it out and exercising that right.
Many Virginians carry a rifle or shotgun daily. I'm sitting in my truck with a 45/90, my handgun's in a compartment in the back of the truck.

Suggestion 3 and the last one. Look closely at VCDL's Freedom Rally. That was well planned, well executed and very effective.


What about my questions above? I get that a lot of posters here think what I'm doing is counterproductive, and that's disappointing. While I'm not here to ask permission, butI would like to make sure that whatI do intend goes as smoothly as possible. I am willing to answer any questions and address any objections, and I am open minded about making adjustments. BUT, thus far, my questions aboveand reasons for doing this have not been answered. All of the objections I've encountered, I've already taken into effect. Yes, I would rather not have to travel from my home in Georgia, take time off, go just south of DC, research gun laws, etc, etc, etc. BUT, it seems to me that what I'm doing is, at the very least, a proportionate response to the outrageous unlawful expansion of government that has gone on recently and has just been put into hyperdrive.

But maybe I'm wrong. If so, please have a look at the questions and points I've raised and address them and explain why a different course of action would be better.
 

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What was the question again?

<synopsis of thread>

Is it legal to OC a rifle on public land near National Airport?

A: Probably.



Is it a good idea?

No.



Any more questions?
 
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