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    So, what would it take for us to create a new county in CA? A county comprised entirely of one maximum-sized parcel of land we buy off the market (likely a resort hotel with a golf course for the extra land, or perhaps one of those defunct military ghost towns), where no more than 199,999 could live comfortably, and where PC 12050 (CCW and LOC) permits are issued obligatorily to all eligible adults by a 4-year or as-necessary elected Sheriff who gets to live in the station/house free while in office in lieu of salary (can have a regular job as a firearms trainer or whatever), and failure to issue invokes an immediate recall and replacement election?

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    Pretty much impossible. This would be a lot easier: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=238977


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    CA_Libertarian wrote: Quite true! Sadly, it's way east of the Mississippi, and I could never move there.

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    I was thinking for those who would rather not retreat... that other thing, well... :shock:

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    There have been many pushes over the years to create a 'High Desert County'.

    It would have been composed of:

    North Los Angeles County. Essentially everything north of & including the Angeles National Forest. Large Cities would include Santa Clarita, Palmdale & Lancaster.

    East Kern County. Essentially cut down the middle north to south along the Sierra Nevadas. Small to Medium sized cities of Tehachapi, Rosamond, Mojave & Ridgecrest. No Large cities.

    North Western San Bernadino County. Essentially a diagonal cut from Pomona to Primm, NV. Large Cities would include Victorville, Apple Valley and Barstow.

    These are the more rural and more politically conservative areas of the existing three counties. Ultimately the CA Legislature both added and removed restrictions with regard to how counties are allowed to interact with each other. Most of the problems stemmed from property ownership and infrastructure.

    For example, one of the initial concerns over forming a new county was, 'how do we transition county-based police and fire services?' The easy answer was as simple as, 'contract to the existing county services much like cities often contract with the county' The legislature made it illegal for one county to contract public safety services from one county to another county except in an emergency.

    That would leave the new county with having to provide Police/Fire services literally overnight.

    Ultimately I haven't heard any talk of a HD County in roughly 20 years...it sure would be nice though!



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    mjones wrote:
    For example, one of the initial concerns over forming a new county was, 'how do we transition county-based police and fire services?' The easy answer was as simple as, 'contract to the existing county services much like cities often contract with the county' The legislature made it illegal for one county to contract public safety services from one county to another county except in an emergency.

    That would leave the new county with having to provide Police/Fire services literally overnight.

    Ultimately I haven't heard any talk of a HD County in roughly 20 years...it sure would be nice though!

    Hm, have a volunteer FD with a personally-owned truck in place, and have a provision in the charter that allows the appointment of the sheriff upon establishment of the county, but have his appointment last a week before the first election?

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    N6ATF wrote:
    Hm, have a volunteer FD with a personally-owned truck in place, and have a provision in the charter that allows the appointment of the sheriff upon establishment of the county, but have his appointment last a week before the first election?
    That could certainly work for something much less grand then the HD County idea...no way in hell you could use volunteer services for a county population nearing 2 million.

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    mjones wrote:
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    Hm, have a volunteer FD with a personally-owned truck in place, and have a provision in the charter that allows the appointment of the sheriff upon establishment of the county, but have his appointment last a week before the first election?
    That could certainly work for something much less grand then the HD County idea...no way in hell you could use volunteer services for a county population nearing 2 million.
    Yeah I was just sticking with <200,000 for purposes of PC 12050.

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    N6ATF wrote:
    Yeah I was just sticking with <200,000 for purposes of PC 12050.
    For what benefit?

    Whether the rice-paper is issued for Concealed or Exposed the result is the same in the county of issuance. However, if issued for Exposed, it is only valid while within the county of issuance.

    There is no requirement (unless printed on the license itself) to keep the weapon concealed. In other words, any license issued pursuant to 12050 is a valid exemption to12031, 626.9 and 171b for the purposes of Loaded Open Carry

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    mjones wrote:
    N6ATF wrote:
    Yeah I was just sticking with <200,000 for purposes of PC 12050.
    For what benefit?

    Whether the rice-paper is issued for Concealed or Exposed the result is the same in the county of issuance. However, if issued for Exposed, it is only valid while within the county of issuance.

    There is no requirement (unless printed on the license itself) to keep the weapon concealed. In other words, any license issued pursuant to 12050 is a valid exemption to12031, 626.9 and 171b for the purposes of Loaded Open Carry
    To negative benefit I guess then, but still don't think we would be as likely to afford to buy 2 million people's worth of land as we would 200k.

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