WHOLE FOODS BANS GUNS NATIONALLY

4armed Architect · Nov 25, 2009

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"Snip... Their explanation was that they didn't want "shoot outs" in their stores, and they felt that by carrying a firearm into their store, that there was a risk of a shootout. ...Snip"

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So, they prefer Executions and Mass Shootings to Shootouts? Just asking...

N6ATF · Nov 25, 2009

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4armed Architect wrote:

"Snip... Their explanation was that they didn't want "shoot outs" in their stores, and they felt that by carrying a firearm into their store, that there was a risk of a shootout. ...Snip"

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So, they prefer Executions and Mass Shootings to Shootouts? Just asking...

This segment of "liberals" are really just a death cult. They want as much innocent blood shed as possible. Law-abiding gun owners minimize if not eliminate that, hence we are not welcome on cult property.

Deanimator · Nov 26, 2009

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4armed Architect wrote:

"Snip... Their explanation was that they didn't want "shoot outs" in their stores, and they felt that by carrying a firearm into their store, that there was a risk of a shootout. ...Snip"

So, they prefer Executions and Mass Shootings to Shootouts? Just asking...

That IS the choice, and I spare no effort to let people know it.

Statesman · Nov 26, 2009

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4armed Architect wrote:

"Snip... Their explanation was that they didn't want "shoot outs" in their stores, and they felt that by carrying a firearm into their store, that there was a risk of a shootout. ...Snip"

Feelings and emotion are not based on logic. The Whole Foods CEO should know this. Perhaps the Whole Foods CEO would be willing to post this sign on all of their stores?

Statesman · Nov 26, 2009

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I have to wonder though, does having a national "no self defense allowed" store policy open up a company to liability?

This reminds me of Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp's case where she was not permitted to conceal carry into a restaurant, and criminal came in and started executing people, including her mom and dad. Unfortunately for her parents, Dr. Suzanna complied with her states laws.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EdiTK4PRJM&NR=1

squisher · Nov 26, 2009

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Pace wrote:

Sorry, was on a blackberry! I hate caps too!

Weird about Target, I'll ask them. Anyone want to call them up?
Re: Wallmart, here are a bunch of links:

http://deadbangguns.com/Articles/WalMart.html
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-300305.html

There are a few dozen on these boards that say they don't allow.

Heck, what is the policy?

Target allows what's legal by state law -- I had a post about it in the Indiana forum, but can't find it back (been a while).

Had an ignorant manager throw a minor fit so I contacted corporate the next day. Head of "Loss prevention" (security) responded with an affirmative.

Pace · Nov 26, 2009

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This segment of "liberals" are really just a death cult

I've said this 100 times in this forum, and so have the moderators. Neither democrats, liberals, republicans, conservatives own this cause. Both sides have passed laws all over the country that have restricted all our liberties.

I know I am going to get flamed, but please remember that when ANY of our liberties are infringed, they all are infringed. If you are out voting against medical marjuana for example, you are giving the police, the government the tools they need to take away our guns.

So, before you vote for someone next time who isn't a libertarian (plug here!) please look at what they are doing behind the scenes. They may be "pro-gun" on paper, but also vote against every other civil liberty, including empowering the bATFe and state firearms agencies.

You think the Bush Admin was "pro-gun"? Bull@#$%, during the Bush Admin, funding of the ATF, and prosecution of gun owners actually GREW faster than it did during the Clinton Adminstration source: http://trac.syr.edu/tracatf/trends/v04/atfrefG.html.

Note: A large proportion of all ATF federal prosecutions are directed at individual gun users rather than illegal gun dealers.

http://www.issues2000.org/Frontline/issues/George_W__Bush_Gun_Control.htm

Here is a famous BUSH statement:

”I’ve never been a member of the NRA. Gore has been, if I’m not mistaken."

Thoreau · Nov 26, 2009

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SouthernBoy wrote:

In my part of Virginia, you're safer buying your groceries from;

Shoppers Food Warehouse
Costco
Wegman's
Giant
Safeway
Target
WalMart
Harris Teeter
Buckland's

I see no reason to patronize other grocers as long as you have a choice. Let the others loose the business.

Wow, Giant, hadn't heard of that place since I left Pennsylvania =)

Of that list, Costco technically is no-firearms nationwide, Target tends to be as well. Of the rest, I'm not totally certain (except Walmart which is said to follow state law, and in my case that means open and concealed carry are allowed (Arizona.)

I used to go to Whole Foods for two simple reasons... good coffee in the morning, and my home, work, and a Whole Foods location are all within a small four block area. That, of course, no longer matters as even though I've been a BIG supporter of their CEO (for his stance on healthcare reform) this has essentially locked me out of their stores and I agree that there's no reason to patronize them when there are many other fine options =)

Thoreau · Nov 26, 2009

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simmonsjoe wrote:

NO.

Stop asking people. Never ask permission.

That's fine and dandy in a LOT of cases, but in Arizona, and with this particular retailer, that could land you in jail.

Whole Foods often does Wine tasting events, and (if I'm not mistaken) otherwise already serves alcohol for on-premises consumption. The existence of that sign (courtesy of a recently passed law in Arizona) makes it ILLEGAL (read: yes, Illegal, NOT 'they can only ask you to leave' like with most other scenarios) to carry on that property.

Asking is irrelevant in this case.

jsfrederick · Nov 26, 2009

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Thoreau wrote:

Wow, Giant, hadn't heard of that place since I left Pennsylvania

Different Giant. In maryland, the Giant from Pa. is called Martins. The Giant it Va is a local chain from Washington, DC. Now owned by Royal Ahold.

I love the Martins (Giant of Pa.). Much better that the local Giant.

MGoduto · Nov 26, 2009

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This is odd.

I've OC'd in the Whole Foods in West Hartford, CT many times and no one has said anything. No tofu-chomping yuppies fleeing in terror or employees cowering behind the Rotisserie counter. I was there after I got off work on Wednesday to buy veggies for a casserole. Nothing was posted at any entrance or anywhere in the store that I could find.

The same thing goes for the Target store here in New Britain. OC'd there many, many times with no problems.

Of course, I don't give a rats ass about what the gun-banning vermin think. And maybe that's what CC is for.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

mg

smash29 · Nov 26, 2009

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MGoduto wrote:

This is odd.

I've OC'd in the Whole Foods in West Hartford, CT many times and no one has said anything. No tofu-chomping yuppies fleeing in terror or employees cowering behind the Rotisserie counter. I was there after I got off work on Wednesday to buy veggies for a casserole. Nothing was posted at any entrance or anywhere in the store that I could find.

The same thing goes for the Target store here in New Britain. OC'd there many, many times with no problems.

Of course, I don't give a rats ass about what the gun-banning vermin think. And maybe that's what CC is for.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

mg

Ahh West Hartford, the old homeland!

Haven't been up in a while, are you talking about the Target past Westfarms and next to Stanley?

Alexcabbie · Nov 26, 2009

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Statesman wrote:

4armed Architect wrote:

"Snip... Their explanation was that they didn't want "shoot outs" in their stores, and they felt that by carrying a firearm into their store, that there was a risk of a shootout. ...Snip"

Click to expand...

Feelings and emotion are not based on logic. The Whole Foods CEO should know this. Perhaps the Whole Foods CEO would be willing to post this sign on all of their stores?

Huh. I have one of those decals, got it from VCDL about eight gunshows ago. I'm gonna OC in Whole Foods and if I get hassled, the sticker gets slapped on their front door at 3 AM. Then again, what do you expect from a pack of leftover whole-grain Hippies? (who suddenly discovered the utility of capitalism in ensuring regular meals)?

SouthernBoy · Nov 27, 2009

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Pace wrote:

Walmart has a no-gun policy.
Target does not allow guns, some places have armed guards that will forcefully take you out.

Not in Virginia.

simmonsjoe · Nov 27, 2009

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Thoreau wrote:

simmonsjoe wrote:

NO.

Stop asking people. Never ask permission.

Click to expand...

That's fine and dandy in a LOT of cases, but in Arizona, and with this particular retailer, that could land you in jail.

Whole Foods often does Wine tasting events, and (if I'm not mistaken) otherwise already serves alcohol for on-premises consumption. The existence of that sign (courtesy of a recently passed law in Arizona) makes it ILLEGAL (read: yes, Illegal, NOT 'they can only ask you to leave' like with most other scenarios) to carry on that property.

Asking is irrelevant in this case.

I was responding to the post directly above mine.

Repeater · Nov 28, 2009

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Pace wrote:

After a confrontation in Whole Foods in Phoenix, I had the opportunity to speak to Libba Letton one of their press executives, after writing her, several other executives with a letter addressed to my friends at the Libertarian Party.

Ms.Letton was extremely polite, understood our position, but said it was now a national policy that firearms are not allowed under any condition in any of their stores, by anyone, except a police officer responding. I pointed out that in many jurisdictions this prohibits CCW permit holders, x-law enforcement and even off-duty law enforcement from entering.

Their explanation was that they didn't want "shoot outs" in their stores, and they felt that by carrying a firearm into their store, that there was a risk of a shootout.

I thought I would share.

Pace Lattin

This is a shame, but not unexpected, given the "Progressive" attitude of the CEO.

And yet it's ironic, because the CEO, John Mackey, wrote an Op-Ed in the Wall Street Journal opposing ObamaCare:

The Whole Foods Alternative to ObamaCare

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money." —Margaret Thatcher

Health-care reform is very important. Whatever reforms are enacted it is essential that they be financially responsible, and that we have the freedom to choose doctors and the health-care services that best suit our own unique set of lifestyle choices. We are all responsible for our own lives and our own health. We should take that responsibility very seriously and use our freedom to make wise lifestyle choices that will protect our health. Doing so will enrich our lives and will help create a vibrant and sustainable American society.

Like carrying our self-defense wherever we go!

marshaul · Nov 28, 2009

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Care to cite some other examples of "progressive attitude"?

99% of the time the guy's name comes up it's due to him taking a decidedly non-mainstream and libertarian position. But maybe that's my own self-selection bias.

brolin_1911a1 · Nov 28, 2009

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Pace wrote:

Walmart has a no-gun policy.
Target does not allow guns, some places have armed guards that will forcefully take you out.

That's certainly not the case in Missouri. I've seen people carrying openly in the local Wal-mart on several occasions. I know for a fact of one instance where a couple of young (under twenty) "associates" got upset and called a manager because they saw a customer with a holstered gun. The manager told them that the guy was perfectly legal and to go about their business.

There are no Target stores within 100 miles so I have no knowledge of that store's policies but I would expect that they'd be listed on the www.missouricarry.com boycott list if they were posted against guns.

Jonesy · Dec 2, 2009

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Huh. I have one of those decals, got it from VCDL about eight gunshows ago. I'm gonna OC in Whole Foods and if I get hassled, the sticker gets slapped on their front door at 3 AM. Then again, what do you expect from a pack of leftover whole-grain Hippies? (who suddenly discovered the utility of capitalism in ensuring regular meals)?

I have oc'd in the Whole Foods on Duke Street, bu that was some time ago. Rarely go there anyway, the store has so much yuppie food I would not buy, Harris Teeter is so much better. At HT, I often go late, 11 or 12 pm when they are stocking shelves, and many of the employees approve and talk guns with me.

Dreamer · Dec 2, 2009

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If you want gourmet groceries and a good OC experience, take your shopping to The Fresh Market. They have stores all up and down the East coast.

http://www.thefreshmarket.com/

I went to the one in Greenville NC this week, and didn't have any problems. Awesome selection, friendly staff, and they didn't even blink (although the checkout guy did keep eyeballing my Para...)

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