Hawkflyer
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ABNinfantryman wrote:
With all due respect sir ... Your own statements prove the logical errors of your position. You describe a situation where military "professionals" commit a few oversights that end with the ND of a weapon. You then somehow reach the conclusion that because this was a rare incident that it justifies handling a weapon in an uncontrolled environment. The facts of the incident are that the weapon discharged inappropriately while under your control, and while being handled by you. You blame the weapon, the other people who handled it, and even the design of the weapon itself.
By definition a ND is the result of failing to do something that should have been done or doing something that should not have been done WHILE HANDLING A FIREARM. The fact is YOU are responsible for ANY ND of a weapon that is under your control and being handled by you, no matter the details leading to the incident or the design of the weapon.
In your closing statement you conclude that the most dangerous threat to the movement is people who are uncomfortable handling weapons. This conclusion dismisses the fact that a person asking to see your weapon likely is asking because they are NOT familiar with it. When attending an OC event a lot of people ask to see the weapons. Many of them may not have a clue as to proper handling of any firearm, let alone yours. You need not look any further that the local gun show to see people who should know better exhibiting poor clearance procedures and even worse muzzle control.
You have also overlooked the fact that not taking out your carry piece at an OC event has less to do with scaring people and more to do with safety. If you properly place a firearm in a well designed carry holster and never handle it, it will not fire and it is perfectly safe to carry around. The moment you take hold of the grip and begin to draw, the possibility for a discharge (negligent or intentional) begins to increase. Start operating all those neat little levers, slides and buttons and the potential for an ND goes WAY higher than for the same firearm at rest in the holster. Hand the weapon to a person unfamiliar with it is operation and design, and/or unfamiliar with safe or proper firearms handling and you have set the stage for problems. Especially since the clear intent of that individual is specifically to start operating all those neat little levers, slides and buttons.
Also don't forget all those OTHER people at an OC event who are armed. Remember OC is basically about self defense. These people are not drones on a movie set carrying prop weapons who have no situational awareness. Take out your weapon, allow it to be mishandled in some way that someone across the room does not expect or thinks is a threat to their safety, and how would you expect that person to react? In short you COULD find you are on the wrong end of one or more other firearms in the room.
No sir. For a lot of reasons you are wrong. NEVER remove your firearm from the holster except in controlled space and under controlled conditions unless you intend to use it in defense of your life or the life of another.
IT IS NOT APPROPREATE TO UNHOLSTER YOUR CARRY WEAPONS AT OC EVENTS TO SHOW THEM TO OTHERS.
As for showing off some secondary weapon you may have in a bag someplace, I agree with Citizen. That activity is best done in a less public setting than an OC gathering for many of the same reasons I have already outlined above.
Regards
ABNinfantryman wrote:
With all due respect sir ... Your own statements prove the logical errors of your position. You describe a situation where military "professionals" commit a few oversights that end with the ND of a weapon. You then somehow reach the conclusion that because this was a rare incident that it justifies handling a weapon in an uncontrolled environment. The facts of the incident are that the weapon discharged inappropriately while under your control, and while being handled by you. You blame the weapon, the other people who handled it, and even the design of the weapon itself.
By definition a ND is the result of failing to do something that should have been done or doing something that should not have been done WHILE HANDLING A FIREARM. The fact is YOU are responsible for ANY ND of a weapon that is under your control and being handled by you, no matter the details leading to the incident or the design of the weapon.
In your closing statement you conclude that the most dangerous threat to the movement is people who are uncomfortable handling weapons. This conclusion dismisses the fact that a person asking to see your weapon likely is asking because they are NOT familiar with it. When attending an OC event a lot of people ask to see the weapons. Many of them may not have a clue as to proper handling of any firearm, let alone yours. You need not look any further that the local gun show to see people who should know better exhibiting poor clearance procedures and even worse muzzle control.
You have also overlooked the fact that not taking out your carry piece at an OC event has less to do with scaring people and more to do with safety. If you properly place a firearm in a well designed carry holster and never handle it, it will not fire and it is perfectly safe to carry around. The moment you take hold of the grip and begin to draw, the possibility for a discharge (negligent or intentional) begins to increase. Start operating all those neat little levers, slides and buttons and the potential for an ND goes WAY higher than for the same firearm at rest in the holster. Hand the weapon to a person unfamiliar with it is operation and design, and/or unfamiliar with safe or proper firearms handling and you have set the stage for problems. Especially since the clear intent of that individual is specifically to start operating all those neat little levers, slides and buttons.
Also don't forget all those OTHER people at an OC event who are armed. Remember OC is basically about self defense. These people are not drones on a movie set carrying prop weapons who have no situational awareness. Take out your weapon, allow it to be mishandled in some way that someone across the room does not expect or thinks is a threat to their safety, and how would you expect that person to react? In short you COULD find you are on the wrong end of one or more other firearms in the room.
No sir. For a lot of reasons you are wrong. NEVER remove your firearm from the holster except in controlled space and under controlled conditions unless you intend to use it in defense of your life or the life of another.
IT IS NOT APPROPREATE TO UNHOLSTER YOUR CARRY WEAPONS AT OC EVENTS TO SHOW THEM TO OTHERS.
As for showing off some secondary weapon you may have in a bag someplace, I agree with Citizen. That activity is best done in a less public setting than an OC gathering for many of the same reasons I have already outlined above.
Regards
