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    http://www.petitiononline.com/NC14269/petition.html

    I am hoping to get this stickied so people won't have to dig to find this thread.
    Just sign your name email and comment a quick sentence and your in. I would love to get thousands of signatures. that would be great. Sign and drive this link on to your friends.

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    I signed, I agree I think we should be able to carry in establishments that serve alcohol.
    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people until thier children wake up homeless on the continent thier fathers conquered! Thomas Jefferson - 1802

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    hopefully the petition organizer is capturing email addresses for susequent alerts - an admin note should be put on the petition to encourage signers to share their email addresses with the signer.

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    Yet another law that makes no sense whatsoever to me. I can legally OC into a grocery store and load up my cart with beer. I can't, however, have a relaxing dinner w/my family at O'Charley's without first disarming.

    It's already illegal to have any alcohol in your system when carrying a handgun. Shouldn't that be sufficient to cover restaurant carry as well? I realize I'm preaching to the choir here. But really. This is a crazy law that absolutely needs to be repealed.


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    I signed, it is beyond me why those ordinances exist to begin with.

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    Signed, and posted on another huge site.

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    I signed this petition, just like I did last year. Hopefully, this year, the folks at in Charlotte will get the message. I will be contacting my State Representatives this week regarding this petition.

    I find it ridiculous that as a NC CHP holder, I can OC or CC in many other states in such an establishment, but I cannot carry in any form in them in my home state.

    I can OC in such establishments in VA and MT. I can OC or CC in PA. WV, DE, OH, and over 30 more states.

    But I can't OC or CC in my home state, where my permit is issued...

    This is a bad law, and needs to be overturned and stricken from the statutes.
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggressionŚand this is hogwash."
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    For those who don't know, I was the one who made the petition. I am not a 2nd amendment junkie, I am not a lawyer, I am just a tax paying college boy who wants to carry his weapon to protect himself. I am familiar with the laws like most of you are, and I know my rights and I want them restored.

    I got a message from Grass Roots North Carolina (an awesome gun rights group in NC) and they told me they tried to put this in the state house and senate and it flopped both times. They informed me that legislation like this cannot be submitted again until 2011. I am disappointed, but I think we should be able to get some signatures by then if you want to keep this thread on the forum. If the moderator feels different about this, then I won't be sad if he takes this thread off the sticky.

    Also petition online.com has not yet given me answer but for some reason I cannot view the emails of the folks who signed so I can update them. If anyone knows how to do this PM me. If you feel like we should change the petition a little bit so it can be submitted before 2011, then I will hand the baton off to you because I have more important things to be doing. I know that sounds harsh, but really, I've got classes to pay for, I'm involved in my church serving the Lord, and I cannot be playing lawyer and politician all day.

    I will recommend that we keep signing this petition until we get a better idea of what to do. If someone wants to make a different petition with a little change to the original, then that would be great as well. Thanks for your time and I appreciate those who are linking this to other sites.

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    Amazing, here in Washington I cannot sit at the bar but can sit at a table near the bar (OC or CC) as long as it's not in the "Under 21 Off Limits area."

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    I signed it and I am #107 so come on guys sign it.

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    Signed...109 Signatures Total

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    I signed this very early on, but I figured it may be a good idea to let people know.

    This is a great cause. We don't need to become victims while stuck in the booth ofan establishment that just happens to sell alcohol. We need the chance not to be a victim.

    SIGN SIGN SIGN SIGN SIGN!

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    121 folks, try to send them to friends and other large groups. I sent a link to my facebook friends. If you know anyone in the GOA or NRA that has a mailing list that would be awesome too. Remember, you don't have to be a NC citizen to sign as an out of stater is still under these rules when they are here.

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    i just did this then sent a email to my contact list. good luck

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    I just signed the petition and am totally against the ban. I rarely go to restaurants that serve alcohol for that reason. I mainly eat at diners and chain restaurants that don't serve. We have laws that prohibit us from drinking while armed. Id appreciate firearm carry in my restaurant if it were legal!

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    ok call me dumb. i have a question, at places like TOTAL WINE can i not oc in the store b/c they have alchi? just wondering since i have taken me gun in there before and noone said anything.

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    dkefn33 wrote:
    ok call me dumb. i have a question, at places like TOTAL WINE can i not oc in the store b/c they have alchi? just wondering since i have taken me gun in there before and noone said anything.
    I believe the operative phrase in the law to look out for, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, is "sold and consumed."

    As far as I know, it is like any other variety store, grocery store (which sells wine and beer), department store, etc. As long as there are no gunbuster signs and they don't have a bar in the back or something, you're good to go. Now if they're having a wine tasting, I don't know, that is consumption in a place where it is sold, I'd like to think no one will mess with you but you may very well be in violation of the law at that point.

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    dkefn33 wrote:
    ok call me dumb.┬* i have a question, at places like TOTAL WINE can i not oc in the store b/c they have alchi?┬* just wondering since i have taken me gun in there before and noone said anything.
    I've OC'd in Total Wine a couple of times and never had a problem. My understanding of the law is that it's completely legal. As with anything, your mileage may vary. Nobody batted an eyelash when I was there, though.

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    I signed as well. I've always found it sad that I cannot carry to a movie theater.

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    Yeah, there is at least one or two theatres up here in Greensboro that serve sell/serve alcohol where that alone make it illegal, whether or not they have signs posted.

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    Well you are also paying admission to get in to see the movie. So that makes it a no-no for CCW.

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    Oh yeah. I almost forgot about that one. I'll have to pay especially close attention to that.

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    tekshogun wrote:
    Oh yeah.┬* I almost forgot about that one.┬* I'll have to pay especially close attention to that.
    Yes, because we all know how much more dangerous a background-checked, law-abiding citizen with a gun is when they have to PAY to get into a venue.



    Sorry, my sarcasm gets the better of me sometimes.

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    It always helps to know where the offending statutes comes from.

    In this case, the law banning carry where admission is charges and alcohol is sold and consumed predates Concealed carry laws by at least a decade.

    Much like the ban on firearms in a funeral procession, it stems in part from biker (and other) gang activities in the late 70s and early 80s. At that time, there was no legal concealed carry. The statute discussed in this thread was specifically made to address bars, nightclubs and "adult venues" that didn't serve alcohol or were BYOB under the old "private club" alcohol laws. Movie theaters and restaurants were never the target of the law, but as often is the case, with the passage of CCW in North Carlina, they are the unintended consequences

    When the CCW law was passed in North Carolina, the local Brady bunch types successfully killed provisions of the CCW law that would have allowed permit holders exempt from those laws.

    It may be a subtle difference, but as we struggle to change the effects of the law, it is important we know where they came from.

    IMHO, it is unlikely we will ever get these laws repealed. Instead, I think it is more likely that we can amend the CCW law to exempt permit holders from those statutes.

    While that does not help the OC crowd (of which I am a sometimes-member) I incremental ism will be the most effective in turning back the gun laws, just as it was effective in them being enacted in the first place.

    Just my $.02

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    Just signed it. really hope it pays off for Freedom's sake.

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