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    Just letting everyone know that the Texas Secessionist Party has a user group on facebook, and it would be nice if the open carry folks were to join.

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=166956363508

    Please don't consider this spam. That's not how it's intended. I support the idea of an armed populace, and consider gun control in any form to be an infringement of our rights and an invasion of our privacy.

    Our website will be up and running before Christmas, and will include a link to opencarry.org, if opencarry's moderator will allow it.

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    The question is, do you really feel that secession is a good solution at this time?

    Many do not believe so. I don't.

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    I really don't see a choice. AMerica is going down the tubes, and picking up speed. Politicians are refusing to listen to the will of the people, and there's little we can do about it. The obama-zombies finally out number the working people. That's what took rome down. The zombies just want their "free obama bucks". they couldn't care less where they come from, or that someone else has to work to earn them. America has gangrene. Either Texas amputates it, or we die with it.

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    The moment the federal government first exceeded its Constitutional limits, the states were free to leave.

    Even Lincoln argued as much, before being elected and stopping them from doing exactly that.

    There was a time I would argue that secession was desirable. At this point, I think such discussion is moot, because dissolution of the union, to one degree or another, is inevitable within the lifetimes of those living today.

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    Yes, but it might be better to secedeBEFORE thingsget to the point thatsomething like "The Postman" scenario comesto pass...or for that matter, "Road Warrior."

    By then,seceding certainly would be moot.

    -- John D.


    (formerly of Colorado Springs, CO)

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    Cloudcroft makes a good point, KB.

    Secede now, while we still have a base to work from. Other states are thinking the same thing, they're just waiting to see if Texas makes the move. Right now we have a strong enough economy to do this, and actually gain ground. Understand, Texas is the powerhouse that is currently running what's left of america's economy, Our economy would skyrocket by dropping the dead weight of the other 49 states.

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    Jeff, even if Texas seceded from the union (and benefited economically), we'd still need to adopt a new constitution. I could think of a few things to put into it. (1) constitutionally preventing The Republic of Texas from ever joining a union of states again, (2) writing unlimited protection of gun rights into the Texas constitution (yes, I really do mean unlimited - for the law abiding), (3) making it a felony for any public official (legislator, judge, licensed peace officer, etc.) to abridge Texans' gun rights , attempt to abridge Texans' gun rights, seize Texans' guns, or attempt to seize Texans' guns, (4) constitutionally mandated fiscal conservatism (5) no state income tax (which we currently have), and (6) the finalization and approval of treaties by consent of the governed (ballot initiative).

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    I've sketched out a few notes on the new Constitution.

    No gun control in any form. Instead, we'll have crime control.

    As far as taxation, Why would we need an income tax to begin with? Tarriffs on exported oil and natural gas, tarriffs on through cargo from mexico to america, and vice-versa, and a small retail sales tax would fund a government, and a small standing military, without giving the government the power over people's paychecks that america now has.

    My plan for a constitution is to basically clean up the american constitution, and use it. By cleaning up, I mean putting it in modern english, so we don't have to repeatedly go to the supreme court just to explain what the militia is, and prevent the government from infringing on gun rights because of a comma.

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    Here's another "OH!". I was a guest on an internet talk radio show yesterday. I come on at about the 15 minute mark. At first, I had a bad connection, and got dropped, but be patient, the audio gets better.

    http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...ef7a783af97243

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    Jeff, I totally agree on the state income tax. I'm sorry if my wording was misunderstood. We currently have no state income tax, and I want to keep it that way. Thanks for the links.

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    Hey all, first post in the Texas forum. I'm deep behind enemy lines in the PRK (Peoples Republik of Kalifornia) butam originally from San Antonio. So my question is what would the Texas Republic's laws be on immigration? In other words, you'll let me know just before the secessionist movement succeeds right? I wouldn't want to be stuck in the PRK forever! Would I be considered a Texas citizen by birthright?

    Also, be careful of the ballot initiative idea...this is what we have in the PRK and its basically simple majoritymob rule. Sure it might seem great if the initiative is something you favor, but its disastrous for initiatives you oppose. Especially when initiatives concern bond measures...that is spending money for mob rule projects and social programs...it seems the sheeple don't know that those bonds have to be repaid through taxation. That's one major reason why the PRK is sinking in a mountain of debt.

    I agree with the poster's idea of simply starting over with the US Constitution. The problem with the "modern language" idea is that language, terms, and meaning change over time. I'm sure theUS Constitution was quite clear in its day, but now 200+ years later many (even if wrongly so) seem to think it means something else entirely. So it would only be a matter of time before the new "modern version" of the Texas Constitution would be similarly questioned. I think maybe it would be better to keep the original US Constitution language and simply re-affirm the original meaning and intent and hit the great big RESET button by throwing out all SCOTUS decisions.


    ETA: Despite all the nutty and fruity laws over here in the PRK I can and do open carry, even if unloaded. IMO its still better than asking for permission to CC, free men don't ask for permission. Here's to hoping ya'll get that sorted out before my return! :-)
    "Why should judicial precedent bind the nation if the Constitution itself does not?" -- Mark Levin

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    coolusername2007, I'm well aware of Kalifornia's Ballot Initiative problem. If you re-read my post, you'll see that I only reference a ballot initiative as a power of the people to stop an overbearing government from entering into treaties the people don't approve of. In the past, the U.S. Government has used the power to enter into treaties to get around the constitution with an all too complicit Federal Judiciary. As for hitting the "reset" button, I must strongly disagree. It's not enough. While I agree that if politicians were morally upright and honest, the Constitution (minus the language that allowed slavery) would be all we need. It has become all to clear that what we left out was a surefire way for the people to be a true part of the checks and balances system. Grand Juries have been referenced as having the power to keep the Federal government in check. I refuse to believe that Grand Juries alone are enough of a check against Federal Tyranny. Grand Juries whether at State or Federal level no longer know the true power they have. And even if they did, prosecutors arbitrarily have the power to not prosecute someone that a Grand Jury indicts. The power of a Grand Jury has been all but neutered. I'm all for decentralization of Federal power. Only the states truly have the power to stop them, but they don't seem to be interested. States passing laws with names like "Strengthening the 10th Amendment Act" are for show and the feds ignore them via the Supremacy Clause. The 2nd Amendment won't be enough to save us if we don't stop them now. Already, they have weapons more advanced and powerful than us. They outlawed our ability to have them. What else are we going to let them take from us?

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    It is vital that we remember one unassailable truth:

    Balkanization would mean the death of America!

    With our whole way of life under attack from the rest of the world our very survival demands a strong, united face.

    Now, internally we can do much to cement our rights. Widespread nullification of federal power could be achieved fairly easily and probably bloodlessly. The Feds can posture and bluster but they can't arrest tens of thousands of people merely for ignoring them. In many ways, the bigger the giant the more powerless he is. Have you ever seen driver ants or locusts in action?

    The first and most important step would be to remind local police, and especially the sheriffs, that they work for us and not the Feds.

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    Jeff Watts wrote:
    I've sketched out a few notes on the new Constitution.

    No gun control in any form. Instead, we'll have crime control.

    As far as taxation, Why would we need an income tax to begin with? Tarriffs on exported oil and natural gas, tarriffs on through cargo from mexico to america, and vice-versa, and a small retail sales tax would fund a government, and a small standing military, without giving the government the power over people's paychecks that america now has.

    My plan for a constitution is to basically clean up the american constitution, and use it. By cleaning up, I mean putting it in modern english, so we don't have to repeatedly go to the supreme court just to explain what the militia is, and prevent the government from infringing on gun rights because of a comma.
    Jeff,

    You need to be careful when you start throwing around tariffs. This type of Economic Nationalist view on government policy will wreck havoc on an economy, e.g. US Great Depression was partly caused by manipulatingglobal trade. As globalization continues to expand and touch all sectors of the world, trade relations will be a huge issue to consider. If Texas does execute on its succession path, I assume they will want to be a global player and be part of organizations like the WTO to solidify its seat at the World's table. Tariffs won't be tolerated by the organization since Texas would not be considered an underdeveloped country.

    Texas would need to focus on making the economy strong by investing strategically on helping key business segments grow. Switzerland did this when they invested in research and education that supported innovation and growth in the watch industry. Texas will need to focus on key industries with which it can lead the world in the future, e.g. technology, energy, etc... This will develop the economy, create jobs, etc...which will in turn provide a sound incomes which will raise a lot of tax revenue even when low tax rates are applied, e.g. 10% of income vs. +30%

    Tax is a necessary evil, but controling governmental spend and growing citizen incomes will ensure that taxation remains low, thus creating sustainable prosperity for Texans...

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    Old dog,

    We are fully aware of what will happen to america when we depart. It's a foregone conclusion.

    The fact is that the feds aren't listening. The people have spoken their will, and the feds ignore it. 37 states have passed resolutions against federal intrusions, and the feds ignore them. The locusts are in control. They will chew through everything that the producers have, and when they run out of other people's money, they will turn on each other. As america slides further into socialist totalitarianism, the strength of the police state will only increase.

    If you want to see what's happening to america, look at the fall of the roman empire. If you want to see what america's future will look like, look at liberia.

    old dog wrote:
    It is vital that we remember one unassailable truth:

    Balkanization would mean the death of America!

    With our whole way of life under attack from the rest of the world our very survival demands a strong, united face.

    Now, internally we can do much to cement our rights. Widespread nullification of federal power could be achieved fairly easily and probably bloodlessly. The Feds can posture and bluster but they can't arrest tens of thousands of people merely for ignoring them. In many ways, the bigger the giant the more powerless he is. Have you ever seen driver ants or locusts in action?

    The first and most important step would be to remind local police, and especially the sheriffs, that they work for us and not the Feds.

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    Damian,

    Understand that I'm not talking about "crippling tarriffs" here. Just enough to fund a small government, and a small, but effective standing military, heavily supported by reserves and militia. Being a "global power" has a seductive sound to it, but the Republic of Texas will be quite happy to be "the quiet family that lives on the cul de sac of the global neighborhood".

    I see the Republic of Texas looking alot like Switzerland, from a global standpoint. They're quiet, and friendly, but no one messes with them. That's all Texas wants.



    Damiansar-15 wrote:
    Jeff Watts wrote:
    I've sketched out a few notes on the new Constitution.

    No gun control in any form. Instead, we'll have crime control.

    As far as taxation, Why would we need an income tax to begin with? Tarriffs on exported oil and natural gas, tarriffs on through cargo from mexico to america, and vice-versa, and a small retail sales tax would fund a government, and a small standing military, without giving the government the power over people's paychecks that america now has.

    My plan for a constitution is to basically clean up the american constitution, and use it. By cleaning up, I mean putting it in modern english, so we don't have to repeatedly go to the supreme court just to explain what the militia is, and prevent the government from infringing on gun rights because of a comma.
    Jeff,

    You need to be careful when you start throwing around tariffs. This type of Economic Nationalist view on government policy will wreck havoc on an economy, e.g. US Great Depression was partly caused by manipulatingglobal trade. As globalization continues to expand and touch all sectors of the world, trade relations will be a huge issue to consider. If Texas does execute on its succession path, I assume they will want to be a global player and be part of organizations like the WTO to solidify its seat at the World's table. Tariffs won't be tolerated by the organization since Texas would not be considered an underdeveloped country.

    Texas would need to focus on making the economy strong by investing strategically on helping key business segments grow. Switzerland did this when they invested in research and education that supported innovation and growth in the watch industry. Texas will need to focus on key industries with which it can lead the world in the future, e.g. technology, energy, etc... This will develop the economy, create jobs, etc...which will in turn provide a sound incomes which will raise a lot of tax revenue even when low tax rates are applied, e.g. 10% of income vs. +30%

    Tax is a necessary evil, but controling governmental spend and growing citizen incomes will ensure that taxation remains low, thus creating sustainable prosperity for Texans...

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    old dog wrote:
    It is vital that we remember one unassailable truth:

    Balkanization would mean the death of America!
    But what's the downside? :P

    America stopped being "American" a long time ago, and it's already Balkanized. The thing you want to save is a romantic myth, not reality.

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    Does anyone know if there is a method by which we could legally force a ballot initiative in Texas to vote on secession?

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    secession?

    Is that the word for overthrowing a tyrant? It doesn't fit.
    You could probably fund the first decade on the confiscated
    property of the current elected tyrants alone till you get things
    going. I will show up for the tar & feather of Shelia "man landed
    on mars" Jackson Lee as she leaves town.
    Please don't put a walled city up with the crooks in it.

    Would you do the eviction of Pres Bush by referendum,
    or give him the chance to denounce the tyrant he helped install?

    I would suggest that attempting to change the gun laws would be a
    capital offense. That sort of no nonsense wording worked
    well in honduras to chase a tyrant out of town. You don't need
    to wait for them to succeed, just attempting would be enough.


    +1 on Grand Jury problems. Would like someway for a citizen
    to bypass DA and bring charges himself. Perhaps something
    that holds the system liable for refusing to prosecute, if the victim
    proves the case then the prosecuter goes to jail with his buddy
    he tried to keep out of jail.

    Do you think even one of those NY idiots could comprehend that
    if they refuse to indite the gitmo crooks that they could not be
    brought to NY for the trial.
    So they protest in the street instead of educating the first
    line of defense.
    Now that would be a 3 ring circus if BHO & Holder can't get
    there trial to go after the CIA and bush.
    ROTFL


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    I really need to get out of this hole called TX.

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    I thought for a few minutes before I hit reply, trying to word a nice, politically correct response.

    All I could come up with is "Don't let the door hit you in the a$$ when you leave."

    I'm positive that on secession day, there will be mass migration going in both directions. What I see is the welfare nation running to the protection of the "nanny state", and the hard-working people that are tired of funding the welfare nation running away from the "nanny state". Go ahead, go live in the obama-nation. When they're taxing you 40, 50, maybe even 60% or more to pay for the "free" health care, and welfare payments for people that have never worked a day in their lives, maybe you'll see our side of the arguement. We've tried to speak our will. We've lobbied our representatives. THEY'RE NOT LISTENING!!!!!

    thx997303 wrote: [/b]

    I really need to get out of this hole called TX.

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    I'm not sure he was being serious. Look at his location.

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    Ignore that location, I'm currently stuck in San Antonio.

    Mr. Watts, nice way to react to a differing opinion. Do continue to show your colors.

    I find it amusing that you label the entirety of the country in such a manner. (With the exception of TX of course.)

    It seems that you think of TX the same way the obama bots think of their savior.

    Why exactly couldn't TX pass Open carry legislation? Not because of Concealed Carry advocates. No, because not enough elected officials had the balls to back it.

    Why was it that it was assumed that if Campus carry passed in TX, that TX would be the first? Interesting considering Utah has had it for a while now.

    http://opencarry.org/college.html

    Why don't I have the right to carry a firearm in TX? (IE unlicensed practical OC)

    http://opencarry.org/opencarry.html

    Why is it that any business in TX can post a sign making it a crime to carry a firearm on their property?

    Do you believe it's right that force of law is given to these property owner's prejudices?

    http://www.bakers-legal-pages.com/pc/3006.htm

    I'm sorry, but in my opinion, TX has some serious issues.



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    Heres a couple of articles that might help to understand how our country is put together.

    http://www.voteronpaul.com/newsDetai...stitution-2940

    Also

    http://libertydefenseleague.com/libe...ake-any-sense/

    This is why the 2 Amnd was put in there in the first place !

    God Bless America ! Robin47

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