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    some idiot was seen open carrying in potomac mills mall on sat. 11/28/09. slim black male tight dreads 5'10" ish. i was told by a witness that prince william county police was summoned, however the guy was gone before they arrived.unfortunately they did question some innocent shopper that fit the description. perhaps fellow ammendment #2 gun nuts should take a moment to look for rules and regs before entering PRIVATE PROPERTY! the signs are posted...obey them!

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    some idiot was seen open carrying in potomac mills mall on sat. 11/28/09. slim black male tight dreads 5'10" ish. i was told by a witness that prince william county police was summoned, however the guy was gone before they arrived.unfortunately they did question some innocent shopper that fit the description. perhaps fellow ammendment #2 gun nuts should take a moment to look for rules and regs before entering PRIVATE PROPERTY! the signs are posted...obey them!
    A qualified welcome to OCDO.

    I can't say it goes over terribly well when a first forum post is hostile.

    I'll address just one aspect--your attack that some innocent shopper that fit the description was "unfortunately" questioned. I'll leave the other aspects to other readers' replies.

    We're responsible because PWPD is too stupid to figure out that someone who approximates the description but lacks a gun is does not merit questioning?

    We're responsible because poor innocent shopper did not knowhis rights enough to exercise them bytelling the police he did not consent to the encounter, and would not answer questions without his attorneys? And since he lacked an OCdgun, what were the cops gonna do then?

    And,since you are characterizing the shopper as innocent, I'm wondering how you jumped to the conclusion that the OCer was not innocent? Did you somehow verify that theOCer came in through an entrance that was definitely posted? Did you somehow verify that the OCer was given written or verbal notice by a qualified legal agent that he was trespassing, but refused to leave?

    Why not try a calmer approach rather than making your first post an attack?
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    carbon wrote:
    some idiot was seen open carrying in potomac mills mall on sat. 11/28/09. slim black male tight dreads 5'10" ish. i was told by a witness that prince william county police was summoned, however the guy was gone before they arrived.unfortunately they did question some innocent shopper that fit the description. perhaps fellow ammendment #2 gun nuts should take a moment to look for rules and regs before entering PRIVATE PROPERTY! the signs are posted...obey them!
    You know they guy well enough to say he is an idiot? You sound VERY close to him. Why would a WITNESS tell YOU?? How do you also know who THEY questioned? And you thing people that want to defend themselves are GUN NUTS?

    I just think you are tired from workign mall security during black friday.. rest up and you will feel better.

    Also, I never "take a moment" to look for signs. If a sign is there, I don't shop there, but I never seek it out. Apparently it takes more than signs anyway... see: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/33737.html

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    I just think you are tired from workign mall security during black friday..¬* rest up and you will feel better.

    Also, I never "take a moment" to look for signs.¬* If a sign is there, I don't shop there, but I never seek it out. Apparently it takes more than signs anyway... see: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/33737.html
    Ha ha.... my thoughts exactly...

    Those guys are pretty ridiculous. My wife works at Potomac Mills and one of the security guards kept hitting on her and apparently tried to impress her by informing her as he rode around on his segway, "you know you have to be licensed to drive one of these?"

    [sarcastic tone ]... needless to say she was WAY impressed... [/sarcastic tone]

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    carbon wrote:
    some idiot was seen open carrying in potomac mills mall on sat. 11/28/09. slim black male tight dreads 5'10" ish. i was told by a witness that prince william county police was summoned, however the guy was gone before they arrived.unfortunately they did question some innocent shopper that fit the description. perhaps fellow ammendment #2 gun nuts should take a moment to look for rules and regs before entering PRIVATE PROPERTY! the signs are posted...obey them!

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    some idiot was seen open carrying in potomac mills mall on sat. 11/28/09. slim black male tight dreads 5'10" ish. i was told by a witness that prince william county police was summoned, however the guy was gone before they arrived.unfortunately they did question some innocent shopper that fit the description. perhaps fellow ammendment #2 gun nuts should take a moment to look for rules and regs before entering PRIVATE PROPERTY! the signs are posted...obey them!
    A qualified welcome to OCDO.

    I can't say it goes over terribly well when a first forum post is hostile.

    I'll address just one aspect--your attack that some innocent shopper that fit the description was "unfortunately" questioned. I'll leave the other aspects to other readers' replies.

    We're responsible because PWPD is too stupid to figure out that someone who approximates the description but lacks a gun is does not merit questioning?

    We're responsible because poor innocent shopper did not knowhis rights enough to exercise them bytelling the police he did not consent to the encounter, and would not answer questions without his attorneys? And since he lacked an OCdgun, what were the cops gonna do then?

    And,since you are characterizing the shopper as innocent, I'm wondering how you jumped to the conclusion that the OCer was not innocent? Did you somehow verify that theOCer came in through an entrance that was definitely posted? Did you somehow verify that the OCer was given written or verbal notice by a qualified legal agent that he was trespassing, but refused to leave?

    Why not try a calmer approach rather than making your first post an attack?
    wow this one is easy! thanks for the gracious welcoming. hostile, that hurts. this is as nice and kind ive been in years. yes unfortunate because some jack ass was breaking the code of conduct on private property. if you approached someone in a restaurant who had a fireman on his person with the strong side in...how would u know wether or not he had a firearm? wow! btw if u ever get pulled over by PWCP or any other ageny why dont u open with" youre too stupid" and see hoe that works for ya.ill will agree that most people dont know their rights when questioned by police! "dont evr talk to the police" is a good personal policy, but dont call them stupid. the ocer had a flaggrant disreguard for the policy of conduct at a private facilty. signs are posted at each entrance.

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    carbon wrote:
    signs are posted at each entrance.
    it takes more than signs ... see: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/33737.html

    Carry On.

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    carbon wrote:
    wow this one is easy! thanks for the gracious welcoming. hostile, that hurts. this is as nice and kind ive been in years. yes unfortunate because some jack ass was breaking the code of conduct on private property. if you approached someone in a restaurant who had a fireman on his person with the strong side in...how would u know wether or not he had a firearm? wow! btw if u ever get pulled over by PWCP or any other ageny why dont u open with" youre too stupid" and see hoe that works for ya.ill will agree that most people dont know their rights when questioned by police! "dont evr talk to the police" is a good personal policy, but dont call them stupid. the ocer had a flaggrant disreguard for the policy of conduct at a private facilty. signs are posted at each entrance.
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again....

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    Either of those 2 things would have been helpful in this case.
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    carbon wrote:
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    SNIP some idiot...
    SNIP A qualified welcome to OCDO...
    SNIP wow this one is easy...
    Bwahahahahahahahaa!!!

    The troll can't even address simple objections without spin, twist,and going off on tangents!

    I love trolls who are bent out of shape. Hilarious!

    Bwahahahahahahahahaa!!
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    ed wrote:
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    some idiot was seen open carrying in potomac mills mall on sat. 11/28/09. slim black male tight dreads 5'10" ish. i was told by a witness that prince william county police was summoned, however the guy was gone before they arrived.unfortunately they did question some innocent shopper that fit the description. perhaps fellow ammendment #2 gun nuts should take a moment to look for rules and regs before entering PRIVATE PROPERTY! the signs are posted...obey them!
    You know they guy well enough to say he is an idiot? You sound VERY close to him. Why would a WITNESS tell YOU?? How do you also know who THEY questioned? And you thing people that want to defend themselves are GUN NUTS?

    I just think you are tired from workign mall security during black friday.. rest up and you will feel better.

    Also, I never "take a moment" to look for signs. If a sign is there, I don't shop there, but I never seek it out. Apparently it takes more than signs anyway... see: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/33737.html
    hidde ho ed. thanks for your interset in my story.

    idiot: an utterly foolish or senseless person. so yes an idiot! foolish for not having the sense to ask questions, read the policy, or do a lil researsh before entering private property with a firearm.

    a man was approached and the police officer was moving his lips, according to my witness, so i will reasonably assume he was speaking therefore i will assume words were coming out..i dont know but its safe to believe he asked a question right?

    gun nuts...i am one. i am currently homeless and jobless and would appreciate the oppurtunity to work security any where!


    with that said i do respect your obidient resolve to not support those businesss that dont respect our very own rights

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    wow this one is easy! thanks for the gracious welcoming. hostile, that hurts. this is as nice and kind ive been in years. yes unfortunate because some jack ass was breaking the code of conduct on private property. if you approached someone in a restaurant who had a fireman on his person with the strong side in...how would u know wether or not he had a firearm? wow! btw if u ever get pulled over by PWCP or any other ageny why dont u open with" youre too stupid" and see hoe that works for ya.ill will agree that most people dont know their rights when questioned by police! "dont evr talk to the police" is a good personal policy, but dont call them stupid. the ocer had a flaggrant disreguard for the policy of conduct at a private facilty. signs are posted at each entrance.
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again....

    This forum needs 2 things to be complete. A spellchecker, and anearly warning device for idiots who show up to post here with no idea about the topic in which they speak.

    Either of those 2 things would have been helpful in this case.
    are you looking down your nose at me sir just because idont spell as well as you? or perhaps because im not as tech savy as you? or maybe not as eloquent... good day

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    wow this one is easy!¬* thanks for the gracious welcoming. hostile, that hurts. this is as nice and kind ive been in years. yes unfortunate because some jack ass was breaking the code of conduct on private property. if you approached someone in a restaurant who had a fireman on his person with the strong side in...how would u know wether or not he had a firearm? wow! btw if u ever get pulled over by PWCP or any other ageny why dont u open with" youre too stupid" and see hoe that works for ya.ill will agree that most people dont know their rights when questioned by police! "dont evr talk to the police" is a good personal policy, but dont call them stupid. the ocer had a flaggrant disreguard for the policy of conduct at a private facilty. signs are posted at each entrance.
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again....

    This forum needs 2 things to be complete. A spellchecker, and an¬*early warning device for idiots who show up to post here with no idea about the topic in which they speak.

    Either of those 2 things would have been helpful in this case.
    are you looking down your nose at me sir just because i¬*dont spell as well as you? or perhaps because im not as tech savy as you? or maybe not as eloquent... good day
    Forget about the spelling, do you at least know how to use the CAPS LOCK or the shift key?

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    carbon wrote:
    SNIP gun nuts...i am one...
    Forum,

    I'll go so far as to agreethat he isnuts.

    Remember, we have lots of experience dealing with people whose first posts are as antagonistic as this guy's are.

    After hours of patient replies, the best you can hope for is an antagonistic @#$% who will spew at the drop of a pin. Maybe he's settled down on the subject of the first post; but every time anybody violates his idea of "the way things should be", here comes the eruptions again.

    Think "BrokenArrows", and "AWStylez,"and "PaulBlart/TippsyMcStagger/JohnnyB (all the same guy.)" and a few others. Justgeneral fight-starters because of their propensity for arguing, hostility, andantagonism.

    Still not convinced? Just think of all the sane, pleasant, respectfulfirst posts you've seen. Howmuch disregard for others, simmering temper is needed to make your first few posts fights?

    Best to just ignore, orif heis being ridiculous, ridicule him.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    carbon wrote:
    some idiot was seen open carrying in potomac mills mall on sat. 11/28/09. slim black male tight dreads 5'10" ish. i was told by a witness that prince william county police was summoned, however the guy was gone before they arrived.unfortunately they did question some innocent shopper that fit the description. perhaps fellow ammendment #2 gun nuts should take a moment to look for rules and regs before entering PRIVATE PROPERTY! the signs are posted...obey them!
    Really, well not me this time, but I have conceal carried there before, did not notice any signs, nor do I ever look for such signs.

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    Citizen wrote:
    carbon wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    carbon wrote:
    SNIP some idiot...
    SNIP A qualified welcome to OCDO...
    SNIP wow this one is easy...
    Bwahahahahahahahaa!!!

    The troll can't even address simple objections without spin, twist,and going off on tangents!

    I love trolls who are bent out of shape. Hilarious!

    Bwahahahahahahahahaa!!
    nope not a troll at all just a fellow occer that has been reading this site for some time now and decided to post a story of an oc event.

    many of us who open carry are frustrated by the unlawful discrimination against open carrying. this site would not exsist if this was not the case. after reading many many posts and replies on this site im sad to see so many snide remarks backhanded insults and we are better than u comments. discrimination is in us all...



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    hunter45 wrote:
    carbon wrote:
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    wow this one is easy! thanks for the gracious welcoming. hostile, that hurts. this is as nice and kind ive been in years. yes unfortunate because some jack ass was breaking the code of conduct on private property. if you approached someone in a restaurant who had a fireman on his person with the strong side in...how would u know wether or not he had a firearm? wow! btw if u ever get pulled over by PWCP or any other ageny why dont u open with" youre too stupid" and see hoe that works for ya.ill will agree that most people dont know their rights when questioned by police! "dont evr talk to the police" is a good personal policy, but dont call them stupid. the ocer had a flaggrant disreguard for the policy of conduct at a private facilty. signs are posted at each entrance.
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again....

    This forum needs 2 things to be complete. A spellchecker, and anearly warning device for idiots who show up to post here with no idea about the topic in which they speak.

    Either of those 2 things would have been helpful in this case.
    are you looking down your nose at me sir just because idont spell as well as you? or perhaps because im not as tech savy as you? or maybe not as eloquent... good day
    Forget about the spelling, do you at least know how to use the CAPS LOCK or the shift key?
    i opologize for not being tech savy. im sure this makes you feelsuperior. perhaps you will kneel down next time so we can see eye to eye





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    i opologize for not being tech savy. im sure this makes you feel¬*superior. perhaps you will kneel down next time so we can see eye to eye
    So you were tech savy enough to find an online message board, register an account, and start a topic, but you are not tech savy enough to know how to type a capital letter?

    Alright, that's enough...


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    hunter45 wrote:
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    i opologize for not being tech savy. im sure this makes you feelsuperior. perhaps you will kneel down next time so we can see eye to eye
    So you were tech savy enough to find an online message board, register an account, and start a topic, but you are not tech savy enough to know how to type a capital letter?

    Alright, that's enough...

    Pardon mebut 411 posts means ur still a newbie! just because you can hold the wheel doesnt mean you get to steer the ship Captain Morgan! Btw are the caps in the rights spots? Was proper grammer used? Show me your SATs pronto genius



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    i opologize for not being tech savy. im sure this makes you feelsuperior. perhaps you will kneel down next time so we can see eye to eye
    So you were tech savy enough to find an online message board, register an account, and start a topic, but you are not tech savy enough to know how to type a capital letter?
    Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaa!!

    You're right, Hunter! He can't even keep from contradicting himself.

    He hands out comments without even thinking about them. "I'm no troll" "I'm not tech-savvy".

    Which immediately tells you truth has little value to him. He's probably not even an OCer!!

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahaa!!

    God, I can hardly breathe, this troll is so hilariously entertaining!!!
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    some idiot was seen open carrying in potomac mills mall on sat. 11/28/09. slim black male tight dreads 5'10" ish. i was told by a witness that prince william county police was summoned, however the guy was gone before they arrived.unfortunately they did question some innocent shopper that fit the description. perhaps fellow ammendment #2 gun nuts should take a moment to look for rules and regs before entering PRIVATE PROPERTY! the signs are posted...obey them!
    Really, well not me this time, but I have conceal carried there before, did not notice any signs, nor do I ever look for such signs.
    code of conduct policy rule #6 no firearms allowed on premisesopenly carried or concealed with or without permit! now that you are aware of the rules dont be an idiot

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    SNIP Pardon mebut 411 posts means ur [hunter45] still a newbie! just because you can hold the wheel doesnt mean you get to steer the ship Captain Morgan! Btw are the caps in the rights spots? Was proper grammer used? Show me your SATs pronto genius
    AAAAAAAAhahahahahahahaha!!

    He claims he's not tech-savvy, yet he thinks he can tell a newbie on an internet forum!

    Plus he's too stupid to look at Hunter's join date, just under a year ago!

    Somebody hand me a handkerchief. I'm laughing so hard my eyesare streaming tears.

    Bwahahahahahahahahaa!!

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    carbon wrote:
    some idiot was seen open carrying in potomac mills mall on sat. 11/28/09. slim black male tight dreads 5'10" ish. !
    Let me apologize for the board. It just upsets us to hear our president called an idiot

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    Really, well not me this time, but I have conceal carried there before, did not notice any signs, nor do I ever look for such signs.
    code of conduct policy rule #6 no firearms allowed on premisesopenly carried or concealed with or without permit! now that you are aware of the rules dont be an idiot
    Great line, Mike!

    Haaaaaaaaaahahahahahaa!

    This troll is so stupid, he even thinks its appropriate to tell one of the moderators to not be an idiot!!

    Haaaaaa______uuuhhhhhhhhh________hahahahahahahahah aha!!
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    some idiot was seen open carrying in potomac mills mall on sat. 11/28/09. slim black male tight dreads 5'10" ish. i was told by a witness that prince william county police was summoned, however the guy was gone before they arrived.¬*unfortunately they did question some innocent shopper that fit the description. perhaps fellow ammendment #2 gun nuts should take a moment to look for rules and regs before entering PRIVATE PROPERTY! the signs are posted...obey them!
    I have read your original post a few times trying to find some way to interpret it such that is does not seem openly hostile or offensive to people on this forum. Unfortunately, I cannot see any way that your intent was anything other than to offend as many people as you could.

    Even Citizen, who is arguably one of the calmest and most patient posters here has at last had to admit that your are not worth a salvage attempt.

    I am afraid I have some bad news for you. On this forum people are not really offended by this sort of thing from people who join and start off as you have. And as you can see in short order they will single out a trouble maker like yourself and stop responding.

    You may reasonably ask, "why do they do this here?". Not as some form of prejudice as you have suggested. It is actually because they do not wish to enter into a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

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