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    so this weekend i picked up 2 roughly 100year old 12ga single barrel shotguns.

    they're the ones that "fold" open in the center (break action???). they need some SERIOUS SERIOUS SERIOUS cleaning and polishing, but seem to be fully functional as far as i can tell.

    can anybody help me locate some information on these 2 guns???

    Here is all the information that i was able to find stamped into the 2 guns.

    hopkins & allen arms company
    norwichconn usa
    serial# A8128



    Springfield Arms company
    Chicopee falls. mass. usa
    patent 1787004









    and then 1 of the two guns has this little lever that allows you to take off a piece. can somebody explain to me what it is, or what it's purpose is???



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    Seems like you've already identified them. :P

    I'm not sure what you're looking for.

    According to the internets,

    The roll markings of Hopkins and Allen Manufacturing Co. was used from 1868 to 1898. Hopkins and Allen Arms Co. was used from 1898 to early 1900s.
    They were budget shotguns. Supposedly the line was discontinued in 1916 when Marlin bought the bankrupt company.

    Don't know anything about the Springfield. It's a Springfield. And it's old. And, it's probably not worth very much.

    Edit: I think the handguard comes off like that so that it doesn't have to be attached to the stock or receiver. Thus, no hinge needed at the pivot point for the handguard. Just a guess from the photos without having it in my hands.

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    i was hoping to find some history on them as far as how old (not sure how close it's possible to date them), worth, etc...

    was also wondering if the one with the serial number would tell us anything about it if there was some way to look up serial number information.

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    > 1 of the two guns has this little lever that allows you to take off a piece. can somebody explain to me what it is, or what it's purpose is???

    Break the gun open with the "piece" removed. Surprise! It comes apart! Many side-by-side doubles work the same way.


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    architect wrote:
    > 1 of the two guns has this little lever that allows you to take off a piece. can somebody explain to me what it is, or what it's purpose is???

    Break the gun open with the "piece" removed.* Surprise! It comes apart! Many side-by-side doubles work the same way.
    Ah, clever.

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