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    Someone's response to a likely eventual passing of the Dems' health care government takeover on Sipsey St Irregulars:


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    Let me be plain: I hereby announce my intention to do everything within my power to willfully violate the so-called "coverage mandate" - for no other reason than the fact that I am a free man and will not be subjugated by this or any other regime.

    Let this statement serve as my declaration and confession of guilt - if I am without coverage it is due to a deliberate and willful act on my part.

    Further, let this serve as a warning that I will resist any and all attempts to use physical force to compel my compliance (or punish my non-compliance) by any and all means which are or may come to my disposal.

    By Any Means Necessary.

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    http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/11/by-any-means-necessary.html

    I, for one, agree wholeheartedly with this poster. While I'm not neccessarily commiting to drop my coverage immediately upon passage of Obamacare, I will not respect the legitimacy of any unconstitutional federal mandates that I buy a certain type of coverage. If passed, this un-American, illegitimate, socialist scheme needs to be resisted by any means neccessary.

    Agree or disagree?


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    So he is saying it is time to shoot the bastards?
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Thundar wrote:
    So he is saying it is time to shoot the bastards?
    No. These bloggers do not advocate offensive violence, and neither do I. Defensive violence- it depends. I'll put it this way, if someone were to "shoot the bastards" after "the bastards" shot first in an attempt to arrest said individual for a hypotheticalunconstitutional reason, be it refusal to register firearms or pay a fine for not having a certain kind of health insurance, then and only then would I consider it self defense. If someone were to fire in self defense in such a situation and wound or kill "the bastards" and I were on the jury deciding said individuals guilt or innocence, I would be very likely to consider voting not guilty for reason of self defense.

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    I'm still waiting on them to pass something good and useful, like gay marriage.

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    Armond Reese wrote:
    I'm still waiting on them to pass something good and useful, like gay marriage.
    Totally poor judgement bringing that up here. Not that I disagree, I don't believe in the whole "seperate, but equal" BS, but lets try and stay focused on the topic of the forum.

    Anywho, are you really going to start a war with the government over health insurance? Really? This is what you would draw your weapon on a federal officer for?

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    ABNinfantryman wrote:
    Armond Reese wrote:
    I'm still waiting on them to pass something good and useful, like gay marriage.
    Totally poor judgement bringing that up here. Not that I disagree, I don't believe in the whole "seperate, but equal" BS, but lets try and stay focused on the topic of the forum.

    Anywho, are you really going to start a war with the government over health insurance? Really? This is what you would draw your weapon on a federal officer for?
    Yeah, poor judgment. The only freedom is MY freedom, comrades!

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    This sounds like something that would more usefull as a pettition signed by all who agree and presented to the governors of each state and the US Congress. Let it be a "Declaration of Independence II".

    Barely Illegal wrote:
    I'll put it this way, if someone were to "shoot the bastards" after "the bastards" shot first in an attempt to arrest said individual for a hypotheticalunconstitutional reason, be it refusal to register firearms or pay a fine for not having a certain kind of health insurance, then and only then would I consider it self defense.
    If "the bastards" shoot first in this scenario, all bets are off. It's gonna be "fights on" after that.


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    Armond Reese wrote:
    Yeah, poor judgment. The only freedom is MY freedom, comrades!
    Calm down. And the whole "socialist! communist!" crap is getting as old as "racist!"

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    ABNinfantryman wrote:
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    Yeah, poor judgment. The only freedom is MY freedom, comrades!
    Calm down. And the whole "socialist! communist!" crap is getting as old as "racist!"
    It just makes me giggle when I see that stuff. I suppose the next step will be going back to communist hearings aka McCarthyism. You crazy folk need to read a bit of history about accusing people of being communist and socialist.

    On another note.. lets say you didn't have a healthcare plan you bada$$ activist you. (that will show em!) You get sick and go to the hospital, you have no money, you just lost your house to foreclosure, and you need to get treated as you were justrun overby your recent ex-wife who is still upset that you fought and won her precious collectible plate collection (really why do peopel collect plates and spoons?).

    The hospital that you entered without insurance would treat you, and send a bill. If you fall within the poverty level or 133% of it you have free healthcare. If you do not, you still get treated and may or may not ever pay back the obnoxious bill.

    We have had and do have government healthcare right now, because it is illegal to turn away individuals at the ER. So if you think not carrying insurance because you don't want THE MAN to tell you what kind of plan you will have (as if you have ever read the current plan you have), then you are just a fool.

    Also anyone who thinks people are going to come in shooting because you didn't pay for health insurance is laughable. You are a paranoid person if you think this would warrant the po-po to come in blazing saddles style. Anyone who even thinks things like that are right up there with the guy in PA who shot the cops because he believed all the hype that the cops were coming to get his guns! That left I belive two LEO's dead. Seek help for your paranoia, read about McCarthyism and realize that currently irresponsible people currently get free healthcare just by showing up to the ER.

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    ABNinfantryman wrote:
    Armond Reese wrote:
    I'm still waiting on them to pass something good and useful, like gay marriage.
    Totally poor judgement bringing that up here. Not that I disagree, I don't believe in the whole "seperate, but equal" BS, but lets try and stay focused on the topic of the forum.

    Anywho, are you really going to start a war with the government over health insurance? Really? This is what you would draw your weapon on a federal officer for?
    not me, I will wait for the Next Assault weapons ban & the inevitable , you got 60 days to turn them in... then I would draw or paint a picture, using lot's of red colors. PEOPLE, BE CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU SAY, THE MESSIAH'S MINIONS ARE EVERYWHERE..
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    ABNinfantryman wrote:
    Armond Reese wrote:
    Yeah, poor judgment. The only freedom is MY freedom, comrades!
    Calm down. And the whole "socialist! communist!" crap is getting as old as "racist!"
    I did not call anyone a socialist nor a communist, comrade. We are all proper capitalists, so long as we can all agree anyone who is different from us isn't one of us.

    Right comrade?

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    BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
    Someone's response to a likely eventual passing of the Dems' health care government takeover on Sipsey St Irregulars:


    By Any Means Necessary.

    More details at link:
    http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/11/by-any-means-necessary.html


    Agree or disagree?
    Disagree. Completely idiotic.....:?



    The General Discussion forum has really gone on a tangent. We are so far away from OC issues that it just isn't funny.

    I have said this before and I will say it again....

    If they ever come to take your guns, youshould not resist. Doing so is not only futile, it is stupid as there is nothing to gain and everything to loose. Suicide by cop is the most useless thing you can do if you consider yourself a true Patriot. Dead men can not fight. You are useless to the future of our country if you are dead.

    Before you start typing in all of your fury, go get a Coke, sit back and really think about this for a minute. Think about the big picture. Take into account strategic and tactical decisions and actions. Why would you fight on someone else's terms? Why would you resist when someone else has the upper hand and all they want to do is to take an object from you?

    I have no use for martyrs. Giving your life when there is noting to gain is useless. You have only wasted a life and deprived other Patriots of valuable resources which can not be replaced. Human life is the most valuable commodity in existence. Objects can always be replaced. Your firearms can always be replaced. The old phrase "Work Smart Not Hard" applies here. If you truly believe that you "need" an AR or AK to defend yourself, you obviously need some more range time.

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    To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

    He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

    The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.

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    Interceptor_Knight wrote:



    Before you start typing in all of your fury, go get a Coke, sit back and really think about this for a minute. Think about the big picture. Take into account strategic and tactical decisions and actions. Why would you fight on someone else's terms? Why would you resist when someone else has the upper hand and all they want to do is to take an object from you?





    Thing is, I'm not typing in a fury thingsI might regret later on. I've been involved in constitutionalist-preparedness organizing for some time. I've written my senators in Georgia with the same "fury" borrowing the "by any means neccessary" term and identifying myself by name, which is Daniel Almond.I have thought this through.

    Agree or disagree, please do not dismiss my positions as "keyboard commando" rants. I am a very serious constitutionalist patriot and combat veteran; I don't take any of this lightly and understand the stakes as much as anyone. Just to clarify what I do and whereI stand:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HYvuPzobA8

    As to what I'd do if a SWAT team showed up at my door right nowto confiscate my guns, I'll be honest: I don't plan on putting up a fight and "martyring" myself in that situation; so I guess we're in agreement on that.Its too easy to go online and bluster about stuff like that, soI don't do it.

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    Interceptor_Knight wrote:
    I have said this before and I will say it again....

    If they ever come to take your guns, youshould not resist. Doing so is not only futile, it is stupid as there is nothing to gain and everything to loose.
    I can understand what you're saying, but it sure does make me happy that the founders didn't have that attitude. I'll consider myself in decent company with them.

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    DKSuddeth wrote:
    Interceptor_Knight wrote:
    I have said this before and I will say it again....

    If they ever come to take your guns, youshould not resist. Doing so is not only futile, it is stupid as there is nothing to gain and everything to loose.
    I can understand what you're saying, but it sure does make me happy that the founders didn't have that attitude. I'll consider myself in decent company with them.

    The founders were taking action in order to be self governing. The Regulars did not go door to door to confiscate handguns, they were coming to take the powder stores, cannons and ball. This was the equivalent of attacking a National Guard Armory to take the weapons.

    Do not equate an "assault weapons" ban to 1775.

    If you truly felt so strongly, you would have attacked CA or NY years ago....


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    BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
    Agree or disagree, please do not dismiss my positions as "keyboard commando" rants. I am a very serious constitutionalist patriot and combat veteran; I don't take any of this lightly and understand the stakes as much as anyone.
    As to what I'd do if a SWAT team showed up at my door right nowto confiscate my guns, I'll be honest: I don't plan on putting up a fight and "martyring" myself in that situation; so I guess we're in agreement on that.Its too easy to go online and bluster about stuff like that, soI don't do it.
    I don't doubt your resolve and conviction. I simply do not believe that you have thought this through. Stating "By any means necessary" when talking about health care coverage is simply foolish.

    At least you are willing to agree that death by cop makes no sense.

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    Interceptor_Knight wrote:
    DKSuddeth wrote:
    Interceptor_Knight wrote:
    I have said this before and I will say it again....

    If they ever come to take your guns, youshould not resist. Doing so is not only futile, it is stupid as there is nothing to gain and everything to loose.
    I can understand what you're saying, but it sure does make me happy that the founders didn't have that attitude. I'll consider myself in decent company with them.

    The founders were taking action in order to be self governing. The Regulars did not go door to door to confiscate handguns, they were coming to take the powder stores, cannons and ball. This was the equivalent of attacking a National Guard Armory to take the weapons.

    Do not equate an "assault weapons" ban to 1775.

    If you truly felt so strongly, you would have attacked CA or NY years ago....
    You are a sheep and deserve the chains of slavery that have been fashioned for you. You and people like you sicken me... you are not patriots, you are pathetic tools.
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    Interceptor_Knight wrote:
    BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
    Agree or disagree, please do not dismiss my positions as "keyboard commando" rants. I am a very serious constitutionalist patriot and combat veteran; I don't take any of this lightly and understand the stakes as much as anyone.
    As to what I'd do if a SWAT team showed up at my door right nowto confiscate my guns, I'll be honest: I don't plan on putting up a fight and "martyring" myself in that situation; so I guess we're in agreement on that.Its too easy to go online and bluster about stuff like that, soI don't do it.
    I don't doubt your resolve and conviction. I simply do not believe that you have thought this through. Stating "By any means necessary" when talking about health care coverage is simply foolish.

    At least you are willing to agree that death by cop makes no sense.
    If you look at the link in the OP and follow the reasoning out, you'll find that it's not just about "health care." Sure, it sounds foolish on the surface to get this upset at something called health care, but the term "health care" is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the unconstitutional federal encroachment that the dems' 2000 page bill entails. Sure,I have not read all of it, but I know enough about it to understand that certain parts of it are unconstitutional. Do you deny that it's unconstitutional? What is the appropriate reaction to unconstitutional usurpation of power?

    And I've heard the old "what about medicare and social security" arguments already. I was not yet born at the time that those illegitimate, unconstitutional, socialistic ponzi schemes were put in place, so that wasn't my fight. I'd like to think that if I were around back then, I'd be up in arms about those as well. What is going on right now very much is my fight.

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    BARELY ILLEGAL wrote:
    Sure,I have not read all of it, but I know enough about it to understand that certain parts of it are unconstitutional. Do you deny that it's unconstitutional? What is the appropriate reaction to unconstitutional usurpation of power?

    And I've heard the old "what about medicare and social security" arguments already. I was not yet born at the time that those illegitimate, unconstitutional, socialistic ponzi schemes were put in place, so that wasn't my fight. I'd like to think that if I were around back then, I'd be up in arms about those as well. What is going on right now very much is my fight.
    If you believe itto beunconstitutional, then bring a suit and fight it in the courts where you are supposed to bring grievances. If you are not willing to expend the effort to do this, what makes you think that people are willing to change things by "Whatever means necessary"?

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    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    You are a sheep and deserve the chains of slavery that have been fashioned for you. You and people like you sicken me... you are not patriots, you are pathetic tools.
    More mouth than brains. Go ahead and make your move smart talker and you will be crushed like an insignificant bug. Death by cop is no more noble than you finding a dark corner and just taking your own life. Either way, you would be just as useless to those of us who are willing to do what it takes to actually make a difference. As a Patriot who has proven my willingness to fight for the freedoms and liberties you enjoy each and every day, your self serving nonsense doesnot impress me.

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    Interceptor_Knight wrote:
    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    You are a sheep and deserve the chains of slavery that have been fashioned for you. You and people like you sicken me... you are not patriots, you are pathetic tools.
    More mouth than brains. Go ahead and make your move smart talker and you will be crushed like an insignificant bug. Death by cop is no more noble than you finding a dark corner and just taking your own life. Either way, you would be just as useless to those of us who are willing to do what it takes to actually make a difference. As a Patriot who has proven my willingness to fight for the freedoms and liberties you enjoy each and every day, your self serving nonsense doesnot impress me.
    Spoken like a true coward.
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    Interceptor_Knight wrote:
    DKSuddeth wrote:
    Interceptor_Knight wrote:
    I have said this before and I will say it again....

    If they ever come to take your guns, youshould not resist. Doing so is not only futile, it is stupid as there is nothing to gain and everything to loose.
    I can understand what you're saying, but it sure does make me happy that the founders didn't have that attitude. I'll consider myself in decent company with them.

    The founders were taking action in order to be self governing. The Regulars did not go door to door to confiscate handguns, they were coming to take the powder stores, cannons and ball. This was the equivalent of attacking a National Guard Armory to take the weapons.

    Do not equate an "assault weapons" ban to 1775.

    If you truly felt so strongly, you would have attacked CA or NY years ago....
    I felt strongly enough to just move to a free state. I can't believe how you can just flippantly suggest no resistance to an illegal confiscation. You you really think you'll ever "get them back"? Live to fight another day? WTF are you smoking? Fight with what? Once the second amendment is gone, all the others are simultaneously destroyed. Do I think one guy shooting back will help? Of course not, but 10's of millions of armed people standing their ground would make a much greater deterent to tyranny. History has proven that time after time.

    So if you want to turn yours in fine, but I'll be dipped in $h!t before I follow your lead or advice.
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    Interceptor_Knight wrote:
    As a Patriot who has proven my willingness to fight for the freedoms and liberties you enjoy each and every day, your self serving nonsense doesnot impress me.
    Nor does Anony Mouse rearing up and roaring impress me with his self serving nonsense. There are many standards of proof, personal,legal and logical, some more rigorous than others.

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    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    Spoken like a true coward.
    Your strutting is absolutely useless...... Too bad you are so bent on wastingyour efforts... :?

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    Master Doug Huffman wrote:
    Nor does Anony Mouse rearing up and roaring impress me with his self serving nonsense. There are many standards of proof, personal,legal and logical, some more rigorous than others.
    We get it. Doug is your real name. Nobody cares. Nobody askedyou. Nobody gives your words credence. Oh Master of Trolls....

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