Results 1 to 12 of 12

Thread: Requirements to register a Shotgun as a Handgun

  1. #1
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Jackson, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    692

    Post imported post

    I have a Remington 870 that I am looking to get Regrestered as a Handgun. What are the Requirments for this? I was also wondering if I could go and put the butt stock on it, How does that work out? Also could I go hunting with the Shotgun if it was just the Pistol grip?

  2. #2
    Regular Member Michigander's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Mulligan's Valley
    Posts
    4,830

    Post imported post

    26-30" over all length, 18"+ barrel.

    I suggest a folding stock to get the benefit of a stock. Just a pistol grip will make it almost useless beyond 10 yards.

    I'm not so good with hunting law questions.
    Answer every question about open carry in Michigan you ever had with one convenient and free book- http://libertyisforeveryone.com/open-carry-resources/

    The complete and utter truth can be challenged from every direction and it will always hold up. Accordingly there are few greater displays of illegitimacy than to attempt to impede free thought and communication.

  3. #3
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Jackson, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    692

    Post imported post

    Can the OAL be right at 30"? Or does it just hae to be shy of the 30" line? Also what about the folding stock, If I had that wouldn`t it still be considered a Shotgun? From the end of the Muzzle to where I think the Pistol grip would stop is right at 30", If I got a folding stock then wouldn`t that not be considered a Pistol?

  4. #4
    Regular Member Michigander's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Mulligan's Valley
    Posts
    4,830

    Post imported post

    Probably a hair below 30 to be sure.

    I have always been told a folding stock gun is measured by michigan law with the stock folded in.

    If it's right at 30 with no butt stock, you need to cut or replace the barrel. On my 870, I have a barrel at about 18.2". With the shoulder stock folded in or unscrewed and removed, the OAL is about 27.5".

    Edit to add: If you do cut it, make damn sure it's at least 18".
    Answer every question about open carry in Michigan you ever had with one convenient and free book- http://libertyisforeveryone.com/open-carry-resources/

    The complete and utter truth can be challenged from every direction and it will always hold up. Accordingly there are few greater displays of illegitimacy than to attempt to impede free thought and communication.

  5. #5
    Regular Member eastmeyers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Hazel Park, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    1,383

    Post imported post

    Sorry to cut in ya'll, does anyone know a good web site were I can get a short barrel (18" to 18.5"), and/or a a GREAT pistol grip?
    "Bam, I like saying bam when I cite something, in fact I think I shall do this from here on out, as long as I remember.
    Bam!" - eastmeyers

    "Then said he to them, But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his sack: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
    Luke 22:36
    God Bless

  6. #6
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Jackson, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    692

    Post imported post

    You`r fine, I dont know of many places to get a shorther BBL for a Shotgun. I know that you can take the BBL to a QUALIFIED ginsmith, and he will cut it however you want it.

  7. #7
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Hartford, MI, ,
    Posts
    353

    Post imported post

    eastmeyers wrote:
    Sorry to cut in ya'll, does anyone know a good web site were I can get a short barrel (18" to 18.5"), and/or a a GREAT pistol grip?
    For a pure pistol grip, I advise the Knoxx Breacher or the Pachmyer Vindicator. Both are fairly comfortable, even when shot.

    -Richard-

  8. #8
    Regular Member PDinDetroit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    SE, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    2,336

    Post imported post

    eastmeyers wrote:
    Sorry to cut in ya'll, does anyone know a good web site were I can get a short barrel (18" to 18.5"), and/or a a GREAT pistol grip?
    I would go to the manufacturers site and order one from there. I was able to pick up a Mossberg 500 12 Gauge 18.5 inch Security Barrel for $81 this way.
    Rights are like muscles. You must EXERCISE THEM to keep them from becoming atrophied.

  9. #9
    Regular Member Michigander's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Mulligan's Valley
    Posts
    4,830

    Post imported post

    There are a number of decent options for a folding stock. (Remington won't normally sell them to non government workers for some idiotic reason) One of the best ones for adaptability to heavy clothing, I think, is the ATI T6 folder.

    I personally have an ATI top folder, but the length of pull was 14.5", and I think the max for someone under 6-3 should be 13", at least on a fighting shotgun. So I cut a piece out of the stock to shorten it, and bridged the gap with a piece of oak. Effective, but complicated, which is why I suggest the folding T6, unless youre big framed, or on a budget and patient and good with tools.

    As far as new barrels, Cabelas has them, although perhaps for more of a price than they are worth.

    Unless you need the barrel you have now for a specific application, or unless it's a really high quality slug barrel, or a shorter barrel that takes choke tubes, I suggest cutting it.

    Chopping a barrel is exceptionally easy. You just measure it starting from the bolt face racked forward on an empty chamber, mark it where you want, and use a hack saw, reciprocating saw, or maybe a chop saw to cut it. (if using a hack saw, DO NOT try to cheat by snapping it, because the barrel could tear) Smooth it out with a belt sander, and maybe a rounded file to smooth the inner burrs. The only slightly hard part is putting a sight on it,. That step is easiest with a vent rib barrel, but there are a lot of other options if it's a plain barrel. And with any setup, a smith would probably put a sight on it for 15-25 bucks, which is a hell of a lot cheaper than a new barrel.
    Answer every question about open carry in Michigan you ever had with one convenient and free book- http://libertyisforeveryone.com/open-carry-resources/

    The complete and utter truth can be challenged from every direction and it will always hold up. Accordingly there are few greater displays of illegitimacy than to attempt to impede free thought and communication.

  10. #10
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Oakland County, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    36

    Post imported post

    The numbers quoted before are, to my knowledge, correct. But you need to keep in mind one more federal thing.

    The government goes by, "once a shotgun/rifle/pistol, always a shotgun/rifle/pistol." To my knowledge, (and I haven't researched this extensively, and thus can't cite anything specific,) you cannot, under Federal Law, turn a shotgun into a pistol.

    Obviously this only matters if you need to federally register the gun. Take from that what you may.

  11. #11
    Regular Member Michigander's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Mulligan's Valley
    Posts
    4,830

    Post imported post

    Federal law considers a 26" + shotgun with an 18"+ barrel and any stock configuration to be a shotgun, not a pistol. So it's not an issue. Michigan law is the only thing that complicates it.
    Answer every question about open carry in Michigan you ever had with one convenient and free book- http://libertyisforeveryone.com/open-carry-resources/

    The complete and utter truth can be challenged from every direction and it will always hold up. Accordingly there are few greater displays of illegitimacy than to attempt to impede free thought and communication.

  12. #12
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Oakland County, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    36

    Post imported post

    Ah, Michigander, thanks for clearing that up.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •