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    A prefiled bill just showed up. The first so far.
    It's CHP related so it doesn't concern me, but it's interesting that this early, the bill is beneficial.

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?101+sum+SB3

    SB 3 Renewal of concealed handgun permits.
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    Renewal of concealed handgun permits. Allows a person who previously has been issued a Virginia concealed handgun permit to submit an application to renew the permit via the United States mail. Full text:
    11/30/09 Senate: Prefiled and ordered printed; offered 01/13/10 10100641D pdf

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    Where before one had to reapply in person at their local residency jurisdiction, yes?

    I wish McDonnell and the new crop would just go Alaska/Vermont (read: 100% Constitutional carry) and abolish the illegal laws on the books.
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    I'm actually surprised to see this. When I applied for my CHP the first time I did everything by mail, so I'd have never thought of having to appear in person for a renewal. Interesting....

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    jmelvin wrote:
    I'm actually surprised to see this. When I applied for my CHP the first time I did everything by mail, so I'd have never thought of having to appear in person for a renewal. Interesting....
    My guess is that some localities require reapplication in person. Small things like this cause problems.

    I found yesterday that some localities will not do a change of address and some FFL's won't accept a CHP with an old address for multi handgun purchases or as secondary ID.

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    I just spoke to Smith's assistant.
    The bill was introduced at the NRA's request because some localities do not accept mail reapplications. It seems that if it is not spelled out in the statute, some places won't do it.
    He didn't know which places were a problem off the top of his head.

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    The LynchburgClerk of the Circuit Court Officeshould be given a gold star for its efforts in processing CHP applications as they have been nothing but helpful in processing my and my wife's CHP even so much as overnighting a new CHP to my wife when it was discovered that they had goofed the address when she moved in with me when we got married. We didn't ask for the overnight processing, they just did it and sent a self addressed stamped envelope for the wife to send back to themthe CHP copy with the wrong address. Good folks in that office, they are.

    I've also run into FFL's who wouldn't take a valid CHP with a mis-matching address as a second form of identification.

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    jmelvin wrote:
    ... I've also run into FFL's who wouldn't take a valid CHP with a mis-matching address as a second form of identification ...
    Why should they?

    See following excerpt from the VSP Firearms Transaction Program webpage:

    The secondary form of identification, for Virginia residents and residents of other states, must show an address identical to that shown on the primary form of identification.

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    peter nap wrote:
    Renewal of concealed handgun permits. Allows a person who previously has been issued a Virginia concealed handgun permit to submit an application to renew the permit via the United States mail.
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    As well thay should. Folks who don't live hereapply for and getnon-resident CHPs via the US Postal Service. If we're to insist that people who wish to CC have a CHP, shouldn't we residents be accorded the same courtesy?

    CHPs are kind of silly, as they allow people, who can walk around with guns you can see,to walk around with guns that nobody can see. LEO to OCing citizen: "I see you are carrying a gun. Have a nice day." LEO to (possibly) CCing citizen: "Have a nice day."

    I agree with wylde007. Let'sadopt Vermont's attitude.
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    Here is the link that brings up all the bills that have been introduced:

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?101+lst+ALL

    I think we are going to get some really good bills this year, let's hope we can get most of them through to the Governor's signature!

    There are still not many on the list yet.

    Another interesting one is HJ 6, which is a constitutional amendment to allow the General Assembly (in addition to the Governor) to restore the civil rights of a non-violent felon.

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    TFred wrote:
    Here is the link that brings up all the bills that have been introduced:

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?101+lst+ALL

    I think we are going to get some really good bills this year, let's hope we can get most of them through to the Governor's signature!

    There are still not many on the list yet.

    Another interesting one is HJ 6, which is a constitutional amendment to allow the General Assembly (in addition to the Governor) to restore the civil rights of a non-violent felon.

    TFred
    I also have a tracking section on my Politics page, Fred. It will be limited to relevant subjects to Old Va, but should cover all gun related bills.

    http://news.oldva.org/politics-0910/

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    I wonder what the chances are of getting them to make this a genuine concealed weapons permit, instead of just a concealed handgun permit? Can somebody explain the logic behind being able to conceal a handgun, but being hauled to jail for concealing a knife? (Or heaven forbid, nunchucks!)

    Also, I'm curious just how many police officers (as well as other innocent people) have been killed by ultra super deadly Striker 12 shotguns in Virginia. (§ 18.2-308.8)

    Also, can I please get a list of all the people killed in Virginia by lawfully present, non-immigrant aliens wielding "assault firearms?" Even one person? (§ 18.2-308.2:01)

    Also, could I please get a list of all the people in Virginia mowed down by machine gun fire? (§ 18.2-295)

    And could I please get a list of all the people assaulted or killed by regular pocket knives along with an explanation of how making it illegal to possess switchblades saved them or reduced their injuries? (§ 18.2-311) Can I please see a list of the people assaulted by "throwing stars?"

    Meanwhile thousands of people are killed every year in this commonwealth by automobiles....funny nobody has suggested banning them.

    There are a lot of plain BS laws on the books in Virginia in regard to weapons -- and not just guns. Let's hope the General Assembly sees fit to repeal/correct these pieces of "anti" legislation which are a disgrace to this commonwealth.(Well, I guess I can dream.)


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    Virginian683 wrote:
    I wonder what the chances are of getting them to make this a genuine concealed weapons permit, instead of just a concealed handgun permit? Can somebody explain the logic behind being able to conceal a handgun, but being hauled to jail for concealing a knife? (Or heaven forbid, nunchucks!)


    I understand your question, but do you have a burning desire to carry Chinese throwing stars or nunchucks?
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    Unless they have changed it in Hanover you can apply for your chp through the mail and renew the same way.

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    ProShooter wrote:
    Virginian683 wrote:
    I wonder what the chances are of getting them to make this a genuine concealed weapons permit, instead of just a concealed handgun permit? Can somebody explain the logic behind being able to conceal a handgun, but being hauled to jail for concealing a knife? (Or heaven forbid, nunchucks!)


    I understand your question, but do you have a burning desire to carry Chinese throwing stars or nunchucks?
    Actually, that would be a giant step backwards. When I first got a permit it was a CWP.
    I fought along with other pro gun people, for years, to get "shall Issue". When it finally passed, it was for a handgun.

    So ask yourself,
    Would you rather have "May issue" CWP
    or
    "Shall issue" CHP.

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    kennys wrote:
    Unless they have changed it in Hanover you can apply for your chp through the mail and renew the same way.
    Most places are like that Kenny. These are a few isolated venues.


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    peter nap wrote:
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    Unless they have changed it in Hanover you can apply for your chp through the mail and renew the same way.
    Most places are like that Kenny. These are a few isolated venues.
    Ok I did not know this, back when I tookthe classto get my CHP, the NRA instructor seemed not to know this either as he tried to tell me I couldn't do it that way in Hanover.

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    peter nap wrote:
    ProShooter wrote:
    Virginian683 wrote:
    I wonder what the chances are of getting them to make this a genuine concealed weapons permit, instead of just a concealed handgun permit? Can somebody explain the logic behind being able to conceal a handgun, but being hauled to jail for concealing a knife? (Or heaven forbid, nunchucks!)


    I understand your question, but do you have a burning desire to carry Chinese throwing stars or nunchucks?
    Actually, that would be a giant step backwards. When I first got a permit it was a CWP.
    I fought along with other pro gun people, for years, to get "shall Issue". When it finally passed, it was for a handgun.

    So ask yourself,
    Would you rather have "May issue" CWP
    or
    "Shall issue" CHP.
    Could always go for having both as available options. If you want a CHP, it's 'shall issue'. If you want a generic CWP for weapons other than firearms, it's 'may issue'. Then in a couple of years, lobby it to change to 'shall issue' and voila! done.

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    darthmord wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    ProShooter wrote:
    Virginian683 wrote:
    I wonder what the chances are of getting them to make this a genuine concealed weapons permit, instead of just a concealed handgun permit? Can somebody explain the logic behind being able to conceal a handgun, but being hauled to jail for concealing a knife? (Or heaven forbid, nunchucks!)


    I understand your question, but do you have a burning desire to carry Chinese throwing stars or nunchucks?
    Actually, that would be a giant step backwards. When I first got a permit it was a CWP.
    I fought along with other pro gun people, for years, to get "shall Issue". When it finally passed, it was for a handgun.

    So ask yourself,
    Would you rather have "May issue" CWP
    or
    "Shall issue" CHP.
    Could always go for having both as available options. If you want a CHP, it's 'shall issue'. If you want a generic CWP for weapons other than firearms, it's 'may issue'. Then in a couple of years, lobby it to change to 'shall issue' and voila! done.
    Sounds like endorsements on a CDL to me....the way the Hazz Matt background checks were added on and have to be renewed, you would think with one of them you wouldn't need any other permits for weapons. Some of those loads could do far more damage at a larger radius than 100 gun owners at a central point,all with full auto's.

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    I know there are down falls to this but I am waiting to hear them. What if they had an all over security card? It would not signify either that you are even a gun owner. On a voluntary basis you would go down, have a back ground check done and have issued a class A, B, C, or what ever card you qualify for depending on the degree of back ground check you choose. Top class would consist of a high level security clearance, automatic weapons and some of the many other items a high level back ground check would be used for. If you don’t need all the frills a basic card, covers standard things a regular back round check would as working on government and state projects concealed weapons and so forth just as some example. If you go for employment all an employer would have to do if he required a check would be swipe your card, either it is valid or it isn’t no other explanations as reasons would be covered under privacy. Seems to be it would be very beneficial to companies that have their employees doing many back ground checks in a year because of differing jobs. As well it would be voluntary and you could choose not to use the system if you wanted.

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    kennys wrote:
    I know there are down falls to this but I am waiting to hear them. What if they had an all over security card? It would not signify either that you are even a gun owner. On a voluntary basis you would go down, have a back ground check done and have issued a class A, B, C, or what ever card you qualify for depending on the degree of back ground check you choose. Top class would consist of a high level security clearance, automatic weapons and some of the many other items a high level back ground check would be used for. If you don’t need all the frills a basic card, covers standard things a regular back round check would as working on government and state projects concealed weapons and so forth just as some example. If you go for employment all an employer would have to do if he required a check would be swipe your card, either it is valid or it isn’t no other explanations as reasons would be covered under privacy. Seems to be it would be very beneficial to companies that have their employees doing many back ground checks in a year because of differing jobs. As well it would be voluntary and you could choose not to use the system if you wanted.
    That just takes the permit state concept to the extreme end Kenny.
    Lots worse than the perks for permits system I keep fighting.

    I refuse to have security checks to live in and carry a weapon in my own country. As we get closer to that, I just get more reclusive and thankfully, older and less time to live under those conditions.



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    darthmord wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    ProShooter wrote:
    Virginian683 wrote:
    I wonder what the chances are of getting them to make this a genuine concealed weapons permit, instead of just a concealed handgun permit? Can somebody explain the logic behind being able to conceal a handgun, but being hauled to jail for concealing a knife? (Or heaven forbid, nunchucks!)


    I understand your question, but do you have a burning desire to carry Chinese throwing stars or nunchucks?
    Actually, that would be a giant step backwards. When I first got a permit it was a CWP.
    I fought along with other pro gun people, for years, to get "shall Issue". When it finally passed, it was for a handgun.

    So ask yourself,
    Would you rather have "May issue" CWP
    or
    "Shall issue" CHP.
    Could always go for having both as available options. If you want a CHP, it's 'shall issue'. If you want a generic CWP for weapons other than firearms, it's 'may issue'. Then in a couple of years, lobby it to change to 'shall issue' and voila! done.
    Ahh I can see it now, Proactive Shooters' Basic Chinese Throwing Star safety class! I think there's money to be made there!


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    I was just figuring while not mandatory, it could make things easier rather than have to get a background check every couple weeks or months due to a company that changes job sites often, do to finished construction. I figured the perk to it was if you had one for the jobsyou wouldn't need it for anything else Via know one would have record other than it is for work purpose. Now I didn't mean this as a permit, just a background card that has some perks. This being a volunteer thing with some benefits. As it would as well benefit non gun owners there would be no distinguishing between the two and what they are using it for.

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    ProShooter wrote:
    darthmord wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    ProShooter wrote:
    Virginian683 wrote:
    I wonder what the chances are of getting them to make this a genuine concealed weapons permit, instead of just a concealed handgun permit? Can somebody explain the logic behind being able to conceal a handgun, but being hauled to jail for concealing a knife? (Or heaven forbid, nunchucks!)


    I understand your question, but do you have a burning desire to carry Chinese throwing stars or nunchucks?
    Actually, that would be a giant step backwards. When I first got a permit it was a CWP.
    I fought along with other pro gun people, for years, to get "shall Issue". When it finally passed, it was for a handgun.

    So ask yourself,
    Would you rather have "May issue" CWP
    or
    "Shall issue" CHP.
    Could always go for having both as available options. If you want a CHP, it's 'shall issue'. If you want a generic CWP for weapons other than firearms, it's 'may issue'. Then in a couple of years, lobby it to change to 'shall issue' and voila! done.
    Ahh I can see it now, Proactive Shooters' Basic Chinese Throwing Star safety class! I think there's money to be made there!

    Or Proactive "SLUNG SHOT" class.
    Bet most members of the GA don't even know what a slung shot i...or for that matter...most cops,

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    peter nap wrote:
    ProShooter wrote:
    darthmord wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    ProShooter wrote:
    Virginian683 wrote:
    I wonder what the chances are of getting them to make this a genuine concealed weapons permit, instead of just a concealed handgun permit? Can somebody explain the logic behind being able to conceal a handgun, but being hauled to jail for concealing a knife? (Or heaven forbid, nunchucks!)


    I understand your question, but do you have a burning desire to carry Chinese throwing stars or nunchucks?
    Actually, that would be a giant step backwards. When I first got a permit it was a CWP.
    I fought along with other pro gun people, for years, to get "shall Issue". When it finally passed, it was for a handgun.

    So ask yourself,
    Would you rather have "May issue" CWP
    or
    "Shall issue" CHP.
    Could always go for having both as available options. If you want a CHP, it's 'shall issue'. If you want a generic CWP for weapons other than firearms, it's 'may issue'. Then in a couple of years, lobby it to change to 'shall issue' and voila! done.
    Ahh I can see it now, Proactive Shooters' Basic Chinese Throwing Star safety class! I think there's money to be made there!

    Or Proactive "SLUNG SHOT" class.
    Bet most members of the GA don't even know what a slung shot i...or for that matter...most cops,
    Yeah you got me on that one!
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    Sailors used to make them. It's a length of rope with a monkeys fist knot tied on the end.

    Hurts like the devil. Sometimes they put weights in the knot tor a better ballistic coefficient

    Why is that still on the books?

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