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    Shots fired at nova Woodbridge. Wtop report at 1522

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    Shooting in room 412 at northern virginia cc woodbridge campus
    Unit nova 51 is on scene, signal 1 all units enroute

    1442- 2 suspects in custody, no victims, still checking rooms
    1508- All inside traffic has switched to PWC east Tac, fairfax-1 just marked overhead scene
    There was a report at about 1500 that advised a down teacher on the 3rd floor but teams have not found anything on any floors
    1516- Swat is entering clearing rooms with master keys and map.
    1531- Evacuation plan is being started



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    http://www2.insidenova.com/isn/news/..._campus/48414/

    UPDATE: Shooter was student, aiming for teacher

    Staff/AP
    Published: December 8, 2009
    Updated: December8,2009


    Police in Northern Virginia have arrested a man they say fired shots in a community college classroom. No injuries have been reported.
    Prince William County police spokeswoman Sgt. Kim Chinn says a student pointed a gun at a teacher in class Tuesday at the Woodbridge campus of Northern Virginia Community College. Chinn says the teacher “hit the floor” when she saw the gun.

    Police spokeswoman Sharon Richardson says officers responded about 2:40 p.m. to an “active shooter” situation following reports of a gunman in the main administration building.

    The college implemented emergency lockdown procedures and later issued a statement saying all Woodbridge classes were canceled Tuesday. For more information about students, faculty and staff, families should meet at Freedom High School.


    One parent who spoke with her daughter on her cell phone said the 18-year-old, Alyssa, told her that she was inside a fourth floor classroom when she heard a gun go off in the hallway, and then she saw the gunman walk into the classroom and point the gun at a teacher.

    “She said the teacher told the class to run, and when they did, she said she heard two more gunshots go off,” said Christine Brown, who rushed from Stafford to be with her daughter.


    Stay tuned to InsideNoVA.com for more of the story.

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    Carl
    I used that site to follow a manhunt near GMU, both FCPD and GMU PD where there looking for a guy who broke loose from an officer and fled. Pretty neat to hear about warrants being obtained and them going to the guy's house to nab him

    Shooting at NoVA? Not good at all.

    Stay safe everyone...

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    Thanks for the website. That will be interesting to use next time I hear Fairfax PD Helo over head...

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    It's more fun if you just get yourself a scanner!

    (But of course, you do have to be fairly close by unless someone is feeding it on-line...)

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    If you have Team Speak you can listen to the scanner on your computer (unless you have a Mac, like me, then it does not work).

    Or if you have an iPhone, just download the Emergency Radio app, and you can listen to the scanner that way (that's what I do). It's only 99 cents.

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    If anyone purchases a digital scanner, and needs it programed for anything in NOVA, let me know.

    As far as this incident goes, I was at work, so I quickly logged on and saw that someone was following it.

    Been a "Scanner Junkie" and a radio operator all my life.....Guess that is why I went into LE dispatch centers after I left the fire service!



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    WOODBRIDGE, Va. - A 20-year-old man is in custody after firing shots in a classroom at the Woodbridge campus of Northern Virginia Community College. Jason Hamilton of Manassas was arrested Tuesday afternoon and charged with attempted murder and discharging a firearm in a school zone.

    No one was injured in the incident.

    WTOP's Hank Silverberg reports Hamilton walked into a math class on the fourth floor with a high-powered rifle and fired several shots at the teacher.

    The teacher yelled for the students to get down, then told them to leave, Silverberg reports. The 25 students in the classroom were able to get out safely.

    Prince William County police spokesperson Sgt. Kim Chinn says the teacher "hit the floor" when she saw the gun.

    Officers responded about 2:40 p.m. to an "active shooter" situation following reports of a gunman in the main administration building, police spokesperson Sharon Richardson says.

    Once they arrived on the scene, they found Hamilton -- without his gun -- in the hallway. Police say he surrendered without incident and told authorities where to find the gun.
    There is no word on a possible motive for the shooting. Police say Hamilton was a student in the math class.

    Tactical teams conducted a safety sweep on the campus, located at 15200 Neabsco Mills Road, after the alleged gunman was caught.

    The college enacted its emergency lockdown procedures and later issued a statement saying all Woodbridge classes were canceled Tuesday because of the shooting incident. Some students, faculty and staff were sent to a nearby high school.

    NOVA-Woodbridge student Josh Davis tells WTOP he was sitting in a basement classroom at the time of the incident. "A gentleman ran inside, slammed the door and informed us that another gentleman was telling everyone that there were gunshots fired. That's when we barricaded ourselves inside the door," Davis says. Davis didn't hear any gunshots and was able to leave his classroom.
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    WOODBRIDGE, Va. - A 20-year-old man is in custody after firing shots in a classroom at the Woodbridge campus of Northern Virginia Community College. Jason Hamilton of Manassas was arrested Tuesday afternoon and charged with attempted murder and discharging a firearm in a school zone. (WHAT THE ??????????????)

    No one was injured in the incident.

    WTOP's Hank Silverberg reports Hamilton walked into a math class on the fourth floor with a high-powered rifle and fired several shots at the teacher.

    The teacher yelled for the students to get down, then told them to leave, Silverberg reports. The 25 students in the classroom were able to get out safely.

    Prince William County police spokesperson Sgt. Kim Chinn says the teacher "hit the floor" when she saw the gun.

    Officers responded about 2:40 p.m. to an "active shooter" situation following reports of a gunman in the main administration building, police spokesperson Sharon Richardson says.

    Once they arrived on the scene, they found Hamilton -- without his gun -- in the hallway. Police say he surrendered without incident and told authorities where to find the gun.
    There is no word on a possible motive for the shooting. Police say Hamilton was a student in the math class.

    Tactical teams conducted a safety sweep on the campus, located at 15200 Neabsco Mills Road, after the alleged gunman was caught.

    The college enacted its emergency lockdown procedures and later issued a statement saying all Woodbridge classes were canceled Tuesday because of the shooting incident. Some students, faculty and staff were sent to a nearby high school.

    NOVA-Woodbridge student Josh Davis tells WTOP he was sitting in a basement classroom at the time of the incident. "A gentleman ran inside, slammed the door and informed us that another gentleman was telling everyone that there were gunshots fired. That's when we barricaded ourselves inside the door," Davis says. Davis didn't hear any gunshots and was able to leave his classroom.
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    Yeah, I'm curious about the whole "high-powered rifle" thing. How did he conceal a rifle? It must have been a shorty.

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    Brady and the antis using this as a rally cry against campus carry in 5...4...3...2
    The problem with the internet is nobody can really tell when youre serious and when youre being sarcastic. Abraham Lincoln

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    CRF250rider1000 wrote:
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    discharging a firearm in a school zone.
    Yeah I heard that on the radio tonight too. What law puts a community college in a "school zone"?

    Legal folks, any ideas?

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    My family lives right down the road from there. There is a public high school directly across the street from the community college. I am not sure about the designation of college campus, but perhaps being across the street from Freedom High School is what makes it a school zone?

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    pwclacrosse wrote:
    My family lives right down the road from there. There is a public high school directly across the street from the community college. I am not sure about the designation of college campus, but perhaps being across the street from Freedom High School is what makes it a school zone?
    In a strange sort of way, that probably makes me feel better. That is probably exactly why the charge was made, and I'm sure that plays out much better in the media. 1000 feet from the school property line probably covers quite a bit of the campus.

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    January 13, 2009
    Discharging a Firearm Near a "School"
    "Around 8:00 p.m. on Friday, August 25, 2006, appellant discharged a firearm in the City of Hopewell, hitting Kionna Jones in the throat. The discharge occurred approximately 795 feet from the property line of the premises leased by The LEAD Center, Ltd., (LEAD Center or Center) at 510 W. Poythress Street (premises). The LEAD Center leased the premises, a former Catholic school, from Saint James Catholic Church (church) and operated a "therapeutic day school" there. That school was licensed by the Virginia Board of Education as a "Private Day School for Students With Disabilities." The LEAD Center's lease with the church permitted the Center's students and personnel to access the premises Monday through Friday from 7:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. The LEAD Center needed the church's permission to use the premises during other times. Requests for such permission were to be "dealt with [by the church] on a case by case basis." The original lease, which ran from December 1, 2004, to November 30, 2005, was timely renewed and "continued for a five-year period." The LEAD Center was operating a school on the leased premises in accordance with the terms of the lease on August 25, 2006.
    At trial, appellant moved to strike the Commonwealth's evidence, arguing that, at the time of the shooting, the premises leased by the LEAD Center did not constitute "school property" within the meaning of Code § 18.2-280(C) because, based on the terms of the lease, the premises reverted from school property to church property at 6:00 p.m. on Friday, August 25, 2006, and did not revert back to school property until 7:00 a.m. the following Monday morning. The Commonwealth countered that nothing in the statute required that the school be in session at the time of the discharge for the statute to apply. Finding the premises constituted school property "for the purposes of the statute," the trial court denied appellant's motion and convicted him under Code § 18.2-280(C).
    As relevant to the issue before us, the statute's language is plain and unambiguous and clearly manifests the legislature's intent to prohibit the discharge of firearms in the vicinity of the designated school properties. By its express terms, the statute refers to "the property line of any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school property." Nothing in this language limits the statute's application in the manner appellant advocates. The statute draws no distinction between schools that lease their facilities and those that do not. Nor does it distinguish between schools based on how or by whom they are used after hours. Likewise, the statute does not limit its application to only those schools that are in session or are occupied at the time of the discharge. Rather, the statute simply proscribes the discharging of a firearm within the specified distance to the property line of "any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school property."
    Additionally, the adoption of appellant's position that the premises constituted "school property" under the statute only during those times the LEAD Center was contractually permitted to use the premises would result in significant enforcement problems. For one thing, it would require law enforcement personnel to know or be able to easily determine the precise contractual terms of the schools operating in their jurisdiction. And, in the case of schools like the LEAD Center, which was explicitly permitted to use the premises after hours with the church's permission, law enforcement personnel would be required to keep track of when such permission was granted in order to know whether a particular firearm discharge was prohibited under Code § 18.2-280(C).
    We conclude, therefore, that the legislature did not intend Code § 18.2-280(C) to be applied in the restrictive, constrained manner appellant advocates here. Accordingly, we reject appellant's interpretation and hold that, at the time of the subject firearm discharge by appellant, the property line at issue in this case was a school "property line," within the plain meaning of Code § 18.2-280(C)."

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    I saw the story on the news this morning and they were saying that guns are banned at the school. My question is about the legality of this ban. Isn't NVCC a publicly-funded school that makes it subject to the firearms preemption laws of Virginia? Can they legally ban self-defense firearms?

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    You guys should check out some of the comments on the insidenova.com story mentioned above. http://www2.insidenova.com/isn/news/..._campus/48414/


    "These cases are becoming routine now and I don’t understand why people are shocked everytime an incident happens. We need to give it as little publicity as possible.“
    I disagree. We need to give these incidents a LOT of publicity, and give even more publicity to mocking the right-wing gun freaks who claim that the solution for preventing emotionally disturbed individuals from getting guns and shooting up people in public places - is to make it easier for even more emotionally-disturbed people to get guns. If we give these incidents enough attention, and mock the gun freaks loudly enough and often enough, we might finally get people to see through the criminally-negligent gun manufacturers lobbyist charade that calls itself the NRA.
    Some of the posters on these comments threads are prime examples of why most people should not be allowed to carry loaded firearms in public."

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    TFred wrote:
    pwclacrosse wrote:
    My family lives right down the road from there. There is a public high school directly across the street from the community college. I am not sure about the designation of college campus, but perhaps being across the street from Freedom High School is what makes it a school zone?
    In a strange sort of way, that probably makes me feel better. That is probably exactly why the charge was made, and I'm sure that plays out much better in the media. 1000 feet from the school property line probably covers quite a bit of the campus.

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    Well then...The 1000ft rule is federal law and does not apply to private property. If he is charged with that, it then means that they're admitting that NOVA (being funded by the state) is public property and not the private property claim like GMU used "We're traditionally closed to the public" was what GMU said...

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    nova wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    pwclacrosse wrote:
    My family lives right down the road from there. There is a public high school directly across the street from the community college. I am not sure about the designation of college campus, but perhaps being across the street from Freedom High School is what makes it a school zone?
    In a strange sort of way, that probably makes me feel better. That is probably exactly why the charge was made, and I'm sure that plays out much better in the media. 1000 feet from the school property line probably covers quite a bit of the campus.

    TFred
    Well then...The 1000ft rule is federal law and does not apply to private property. If he is charged with that, it then means that they're admitting that NOVA (being funded by the state) is public property and not the private property claim like GMU used "We're traditionally closed to the public" was what GMU said...
    Very true. Interesting............

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    nova wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    pwclacrosse wrote:
    My family lives right down the road from there. There is a public high school directly across the street from the community college. I am not sure about the designation of college campus, but perhaps being across the street from Freedom High School is what makes it a school zone?
    In a strange sort of way, that probably makes me feel better. That is probably exactly why the charge was made, and I'm sure that plays out much better in the media. 1000 feet from the school property line probably covers quite a bit of the campus.

    TFred
    Well then...The 1000ft rule is federal law and does not apply to private property. If he is charged with that, it then means that they're admitting that NOVA (being funded by the state) is public property and not the private property claim like GMU used "We're traditionally closed to the public" was what GMU said...
    See Section C of the Virginia Code that Virginiaplanter posted in his case cite above:

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...0+cod+18.2-280

    § 18.2-280. Willfully discharging firearms in public places.

    C. If any person willfully discharges or causes to be discharged any firearm upon any public property within 1,000 feet of the property line of any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school property he shall be guilty of a Class 4 felony, unless he is engaged in lawful hunting.
    It's state law, but does bring in the public property aspect.

    TFred

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    TFred wrote:
    nova wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    pwclacrosse wrote:
    My family lives right down the road from there. There is a public high school directly across the street from the community college. I am not sure about the designation of college campus, but perhaps being across the street from Freedom High School is what makes it a school zone?
    In a strange sort of way, that probably makes me feel better. That is probably exactly why the charge was made, and I'm sure that plays out much better in the media. 1000 feet from the school property line probably covers quite a bit of the campus.

    TFred
    Well then...The 1000ft rule is federal law and does not apply to private property. If he is charged with that, it then means that they're admitting that NOVA (being funded by the state) is public property and not the private property claim like GMU used "We're traditionally closed to the public" was what GMU said...
    See Section C of the Virginia Code that Virginiaplanter posted in his case cite above:

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...0+cod+18.2-280

    § 18.2-280. Willfully discharging firearms in public places.

    C. If any person willfully discharges or causes to be discharged any firearm upon any public property within 1,000 feet of the property line of any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school property he shall be guilty of a Class 4 felony, unless he is engaged in lawful hunting.
    It's state law, but does bring in the public property aspect.

    TFred
    That would be the only way to charge him. If he was on private property, they would not be able to make that charge. If the charge sticks, then NVCC is indisputably confirmed public property IMO.

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    TFred wrote:
    CRF250rider1000 wrote:
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    discharging a firearm in a school zone.
    Yeah I heard that on the radio tonight too. What law puts a community college in a "school zone"?

    Legal folks, any ideas?

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    I have some legality for you.
    NOT A SCHOOL ZONE
    CANNOT BAR YOU FROM CARRYING A WEAPON ON CAMPUS
    but can levey administrative penalties against you.

    on the down side, hurts student armament attempts
    on the up side, may help teacher armament attempts
    on the worst side, we get to hear Brady lies on TV.

    This crazy stuff about guns within a certain distance of a school is insane and needs to be removed from law immediately. It makes it illegal to drive by a school and defend yourself at the same time. So my right to LIFE is subjugated because of my proximity to a school?? WTF This means if you were picking up your student, (in the bus loop) and a crazy guy starts shooting at the kids (including yours) it would be unlawful to shoot back.
    illegal ≠ immoral legal ≠ moral
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    simmonsjoe wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    CRF250rider1000 wrote:
    Virginiaplanter wrote:
    discharging a firearm in a school zone.
    Yeah I heard that on the radio tonight too. What law puts a community college in a "school zone"?

    Legal folks, any ideas?

    TFred
    I have some legality for you.
    NOT A SCHOOL ZONE
    CANNOT BAR YOU FROM CARRYING A WEAPON ON CAMPUS
    but can levey administrative penalties against you.

    on the down side, hurts student armament attempts
    on the up side, may help teacher armament attempts
    on the worst side, we get to hear Brady lies on TV.

    This crazy stuff about guns within a certain distance of a school is insane and needs to be removed from law immediately. It makes it illegal to drive by a school and defend yourself at the same time. So my right to LIFE is subjugated because of my proximity to a school?? WTF This means if you were picking up your student, (in the bus loop) and a crazy guy starts shooting at the kids (including yours) it would be unlawful to shoot back.
    No. See Section D of that same code:

    D. This section shall not apply to any law-enforcement officer in the performance of his official duties nor to any other person whose said willful act is otherwise justifiable or excusable at law in the protection of his life or property, or is otherwise specifically authorized by law.
    TFred

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