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    Caught a glimps of this on the tube this morning. Had to do a bit of searching to find this link. Story and 911 tape included.

    http://newsok.com/law-allows-fatal-s...ad_story_title

    Horrible situation for this poorwoman, but seems was the reasonable thing to do and she's likely better off than the alternative given this mans apparent state.

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    Dorknob wrote:
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    Horrible situation for this poorwoman, but seems was the reasonable thing to do and she's likely better off than the alternative given this mans apparent state.
    The good news: she stopped the threat by shooting the guy and watching him die.

    The bad news: she stopped the threat by shooting the guy and watching him die.

    It was a Kobayashi Maru.

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    Look how long it took for the police to show up. Not blaming them, just saying they can't be everywhere at once, and its another example for EVERYONE to carry a firearm for protection. So sad she had to be put in that situation though.

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    My dad recently talked with a Sheriff in Alpena. He informed my dad that due to budeget cuts between 2am - 6am there are NO officers on patrol, and that someone is just "on call" to deal with 911 emergencies. That means it could take up to an hour depending on where live before an LEO can make it to the call.

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    T Vance wrote:
    ...due to budeget cuts between 2am - 6am there are NO officers on patrol, and that someone is just "on call" to deal with 911 emergencies. That means it could take up to an hour depending on where live before an LEO can make it to the call.
    The system is degrading....allowing (and accepting) some preventable and heinous possibilities...

    If a potentially avoidable heinous atrocity happens, it will all be so clear in the post-incident analysis....everyone will point to it.

    LE, government and the publicare simply rolling the dice. Hoping (only) that the don't come up snake eyes....



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    T Vance wrote:
    Look how long it took for the police to show up. Not blaming them, just saying they can't be everywhere at once, and its another example for EVERYONE to carry a firearm for protection. So sad she had to be put in that situation though.
    I couldn't agree more. It was gut wrenching to listen to this poor woman plead for someone to get there so that she didn't have to shoot. I havefemale family members that live alone and I am tryingto convince themto arm themselves in case of this exact sort of situation. I hate to use scare tactics but I think its important that they listen to this video. Thanks for posting this.

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    T Vance wrote:
    My dad recently talked with a Sheriff in Alpena. He informed my dad that due to budeget cuts between 2am - 6am there are NO officers on patrol, and that someone is just "on call" to deal with 911 emergencies. That means it could take up to an hour depending on where live before an LEO can make it to the call.
    There is no excuse for that crap. I'd never live somewhere with no on duty police that's nuts.

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    The police have no duty to protect you, Mike, they only have to show up to draw the chalk lines around the body and make out the report.springerdave.

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    The police have no duty to protect you, Mike, they only have to show up to draw the chalk lines around the body and make out the report.springerdave.
    Trust me I dont rely on them either. I'm able to fully defend myself. It doesnt hurt have some sort of backup besides my 80 yr old neighbor.

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    Like they say, When seconds count the police will be there in 25 minutes.

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    mikestilly wrote:
    T Vance wrote:
    My dad recently talked with a Sheriff in Alpena. He informed my dad that due to budeget cuts between 2am - 6am there are NO officers on patrol, and that someone is just "on call" to deal with 911 emergencies. That means it could take up to an hour depending on where live before an LEO can make it to the call.
    There is no excuse for that crap. I'd never live somewhere with no on duty police that's nuts.
    Last summer I was workingnights out of town in Clare county for about 3 months and I stayed with a Leo relative up there. I made a joke to him about slowing down when I came through Harrison at night cause I didn't need any tickets. He said "Don't worry about it. There is no one on duty from 2am until 6." So apparently they are under the same kinda situation.

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    Welcome to rural America! Also we don't need police nearly as much as we think we do... just stay armed and take care of each other..
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    She spend a lot of time trying to justify getting the gun out, she should have been ready to blast that crazy bastard from the get go! Also the response time to this call is absolutely inexcusable.

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    Just listened to the call. Happy ending, but I feel so friggen sorry for the lady.
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    Banger wrote:
    Also the response time to this call is absolutely inexcusable.
    It would be inexcusable if the police hada duty to protect individuals calling them for help. But they don't. The Supreme Court said so. It's not inexcusable, but it is instructional. Be prepared to help yourself.
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    DanM wrote:
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    Also the response time to this call is absolutely inexcusable.
    It would be inexcusable if the police hada duty to protect individuals calling them for help. But they don't. The Supreme Court said so. It's not inexcusable, but it is instructional. Be prepared to help yourself.
    Good point, guess they need to start taking "To Serve and Protect" off the side of police cars then.

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    Just listened to the call. Happy ending, but I feel so friggen sorry for the lady.
    Yeah, she was controlled and decisive before she actually shot the guy.

    But after the shot, she was a mess. She said:


    "I'm so sorry."


    "I'm so sorry, Father."


    Good example why guns are probably not the best methodology we can devise to protect ourselves.

    I mean guns are OK and all. Plenty of benefits.

    But there are some rather severe negative aspects to 'em.

    As Donna Jackson is finding out now...

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    Banger wrote:
    DanM wrote:
    Banger wrote:
    Also the response time to this call is absolutely inexcusable.
    It would be inexcusable if the police hada duty to protect individuals calling them for help. But they don't. The Supreme Court said so. It's not inexcusable, but it is instructional. Be prepared to help yourself.
    Good point, guess they need to start taking "To Serve and Protect" off the side of police cars then.
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    HankT wrote:
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    Just listened to the call. Happy ending, but I feel so friggen sorry for the lady.
    Yeah, she was controlled and decisive before she actually shot the guy.

    But after the shot, she was a mess. She said:


    "I'm so sorry."


    "I'm so sorry, Father."


    Good example why guns are probably not the best methodology we can devise to protect ourselves.

    I mean guns are OK and all. Plenty of benefits.

    But there are some rather severe negative aspects to 'em.

    As Donna Jackson is finding out now...
    Would you feel better had she killed him with a knife or baseball bat?

    Are you saying she should be as decisive and in control after the factas much as she was before the shooting?

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    Hank is the resident troll. I ignore his comments when they're like that, because it's obviously not meant to be constructive. He does have good points occasionally though.
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    SpringerXDacp wrote:
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    Michigander wrote:
    Just listened to the call. Happy ending, but I feel so friggen sorry for the lady.
    Yeah, she was controlled and decisive before she actually shot the guy.

    But after the shot, she was a mess. She said:


    "I'm so sorry."


    "I'm so sorry, Father."


    Good example why guns are probably not the best methodology we can devise to protect ourselves.

    I mean guns are OK and all. Plenty of benefits.

    But there are some rather severe negative aspects to 'em.

    As Donna Jackson is finding out now...
    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    Would you feel better had she killed him with a knife or baseball bat?
    No.

    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    Are you saying she should be as decisive and in control after the factas much as she was before the shooting?
    No.



    Now one for you, SXD:

    Do you think that guns are the best methodology/technology we can devise to protect ourselves?



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    HankT wrote:
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    Now one for you, SXD:

    Do you think that guns are the best methodology/technology we can devise to protect ourselves?


    Based on what circumstances?

    Please provide a self defense scenario relevant to your question.

    Backing up: Based on the 911 call, should she have locked herself in the bathroom as instructed by dispatch until the police arrived? Or, should she have just made a run for it with hopes she would evade an encounter/attack?


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    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    HankT wrote:
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    Now one for you, SXD:

    Do you think that guns are the best methodology/technology we can devise to protect ourselves?


    Based on what circumstances?

    Please provide a self defense scenario relevant to your question.
    In general. The question is, for self-defense in general.

    Like Donna Jackson's case....

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    No I would say that a non lethal means COULD be better in the sense that it would leave the person defending themselves with the possibility of less guilt... However as of now no means that we have fielded is guaranteed non lethal...

    One final thought.... my great uncle fought in WW2 from D-Day to the battle of the Bulge and he said that the first one you kill hurts but that each successive person is less difficult ... so as this was most likely here first (and hopefully last) it is understandable that she came unglued afterwords!
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    Can I try? Lets see, we first shielded ourselves with animal hides, then wooden shields then metal shields and chain male(sp) and used sticks and spears to fend off attackers, then bows and arrows then guns...hmmmm. I think firearms are the best methodology/technology to protect ME! MY opinion is that we are programed to have feelings for others, even if they mean us harm. That is not the way we should necessarily think. Exodus 22:2 If a thief be found breaking up, and he be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.springerdave.

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