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    The FBI is getting some SERIOUS firepower!

    But what do they need it for? (Hint: They're not telling either me or Codrea...see link in my column)

    (If this doesn't bring out the Black Helicopter bunch, nuthin' will! )



    http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m12d9-Forget-the-NRA-Its-the-FBI-that-apparently-has-some-serious-gun-nuts

    Or try this:

    http://tinyurl.com/yg55bxs



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    Neat guns, but not an especially big deal. Anyone who lives in a DD legal state can buy one, provided they have the funds.

    There isn't much you could do with that gun you couldn't already do with a .50 BMG. And most of what you could reasonably need a rifle for you could do better with a .308.

    To me, this represents little more than a silly, however meager by comparison waste of tax money.
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    The rounds in the picture are from left to right - .223, .338 Lapua, .50 BMG, and last but not least 20mm Vulcan.

    I cannot imagine why any domestic law enforcement agency would need to toss a 1/4 pound bullet 5,000 Meters. When the Germans had 20 mm nose guns in their aircraft, they were called cannons not rifles.




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    Since the intent of the Second Amendment was to garuntee the peoples protection from an over zelus government, where's mine?

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    are we africa? no (not yet anyways.) is the fbi in africa? maybe but theyre sure as hell not engaging the militia. soo.... why the 20mm rifle?
    [size="Users of 20mm sniper rifles include commandos, police and peacekeepers. That's because these weapons are able to disable vehicles or weapons at a distance, and with minimal collateral damage. In][size=Africa], for example, warlords like to equip their gunmen with heavy machine-guns mounted on the backs of pickup trucks. You want to take these down from a distance and, since these trucks are often parked in the midst of civilians, you want to do it without large explosions."

    edit - aw damnit i just repeated exactly what it said underneath what i quoted, i need to start reading the whole story before talking:P

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    Hawkflyer wrote:
    The rounds in the picture are from left to right - .223, .338 Lapua, .50 BMG, and last but not least 20mm Vulcan.

    I cannot imagine why any domestic law enforcement agency would need to toss a 1/4 pound bullet 5,000 Meters. When the Germans had 20 mm nose guns in their aircraft, they were called cannons not rifles.



    Well, so do we. The 20mm Vulcan gatling gun is an aircraft cannon.



    We have discussed the blurring line between police and military in this country before. This fits the pattern.

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    Tomahawk, you are thinking too small.





    Now those are guns! :what:
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    Yes, but they aren't 20mm guns, so they are not relevant.

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    You're right, the GAU-8 is 30mm and the AC-5 has a puny 25mm gun...
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    Please take special note of the color of the tip of the 20mm round in the above picture.

    I imagine when the government starts using these newly aquired 20mm "rifles" domestically, the "officers" using them will be wearing hats of a similar color.

    I don't mean nothin', I'm just sayin'...


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    Dreamer wrote:
    Please take special note of the color of the tip of the 20mm round in the above picture.

    I imagine when the government starts using these newly aquired 20mm "rifles" domestically, the "officers" using them will be wearing hats of a similar color.

    I don't mean nothin', I'm just sayin'...




    Your hat.

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    Dreamer wrote:
    Please take special note of the color of the tip of the 20mm round in the above picture.

    I imagine when the government starts using these newly aquired 20mm "rifles" domestically, the "officers" using them will be wearing hats of a similar color.

    I don't mean nothin', I'm just sayin'...


    And for the same reason as the British redcoats ... Not a good idea to have clothing that says 'look at me!' in a war zone.. Aim for the blue beret.. lol
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    Armond Reese wrote:


    Your hat.
    ROFLOL!!!!! Looks like "My Favorite Martian"


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    Armond Reese wrote:
    Dreamer wrote:
    Please take special note of the color of the tip of the 20mm round in the above picture.

    I imagine when the government starts using these newly aquired 20mm "rifles" domestically, the "officers" using them will be wearing hats of a similar color.

    I don't mean nothin', I'm just sayin'...




    Your hat.


    I leap to the conclusion that you are one of the two in this photo.

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    McX wrote:
    Our tax dollars, hard at work, blowing stuff up. Do these guns fire D.U. (depleted Uranium) rounds?
    Yes. And?

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    Dreamer wrote:
    Please take special note of the color of the tip of the 20mm round in the above picture.

    I imagine when the government starts using these newly aquired 20mm "rifles" domestically, the "officers" using them will be wearing hats of a similar color.

    I don't mean nothin', I'm just sayin'...








    That is their before "dress hat". Here is their after "work hat"



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    Well I am going to put this in my front lawn.

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    okboomer wrote:
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    Your hat.
    ROFLOL!!!!! Looks like "My Favorite Martian"

    Looks like one of my coworkers. LOL

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    The fbi needs firepower. Treason, killing innocent women holding babies,burning children to death, stealing laptops and anything else that isn't bolted to the floor is seriouswork. J. Edgar is probably dancing around in his dress in hell with joy. And their greatest hero, Hanssen, would approve.
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    Gunslinger wrote:
    The fbi needs firepower. Treason, killing innocent women holding babies,burning children to death, stealing laptops and anything else that isn't bolted to the floor is seriouswork. J. Edgar is probably dancing around in his dress in hell with joy. And their greatest hero, Hanssen, would approve.
    Zing!

    About J. Edgar: how does a 20mm rifle make it easier to collect info for blackmailing politicians and celebrities, I wonder?

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    lonewolf2810 wrote:
    Well I am going to put this in my front lawn.
    i see this being in Clint Eastwood's front lawn, he got tired of the overpriced ammo for his Garand

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    It has a blue tip on it becouse it is a training round. It has nothing to do with the UN.

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    I see none y'all ever wrenched 'n fed 20mm nuthin'. The M61-A1 and MK-12/MK11's are electric primed. The AN/M3's (GM/Hispano) are percussion. 20mm service flavors are TP, APT, HEI & API.All solid 'blue' is TP. (inert) The MK-12 fired (linked) MK 100 series ammo. That's the round under the blue beret photo) M61A1 fires LALS drum fed M50 series (first photo with comparitive bullets). Also in TP, APT, HEI and API flavors.

    Suspect this 'rifle' ammo would be M3. 'Boys' had a magazinefed .55 cal AT rifle in WWII


    The MK 11 was a re-hash of a German Henshel WWII (twin barrel) design that didn't work well at all. The MK 12 used 1200 psi on the gun charger, 1000 psi on the buffer 'n 700 psi on theMk 7 feed mech. The primary MK 12 Navy platforms were 4x on the F-8 and 2x on the A-4. There was another MK 12'gun pod'... GPU2A-XN1 carried on OV-10A's in 'Nam and nowhere else mfg'd in China Lake. Nothing you could mount on a pick-up truck easily. This was the single barreled MK 12, not the triple M197 gun. The AD-6 SpAD's carried 6 M3's in the wings.

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    I see none y'all ever wrenched 'n fed 20mm nuthin'. The M61-A1 and MK-12/MK11's There was another MK 12'gun pod'... GPU2A-XN1 carried on OV-10A's in 'Nam and nowhere else mfg'd in China Lake. Nothing you could mount on a pick-up truck easily. This was the single barreled MK 12, not the triple M197 gun.
    We were still operating OV-10s in the Gulf War in 91. I don't know what their armament was then.

    I was part of an AV-8B squadron at the time, and the OV-10 squadron was attached to our MAG ashore.



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