Interesting Conversation with a LEO friend last night

Last night I had a long Facebook chat with a friend of mine who has been with the WSP for over 20 years. We talked about the recent fallen officers, over-the-top survivalists, the new M&P... and Open Carry....

He was actually pretty pro open carry. He seems to have to deal with a MWAG call often, and since it "causes alarm...yadda yadda.." It get's a little tiring. The biggest issue he and some of his fellow officers have are regarding placement and retention. He said that most open carry people he deals with on a daily basis do not have a good hoster with retention features built it, and do not have the weapon defend-able (they have them in the 4-5 o'clock position).

He says he and his fellow officers would feel a WHOLE lot better if people would start using retention setups and get the gun positioned at 3:30 or further forward.

Also, while he is pro-oc there was discussion to the fact that CC is preferred. Mainly because of the sheeple issue, but also.... But because of situational awareness and the evident lack of it. The BG will target you first and take out the threat (you)... You will then have no chance to defend, protect or assist.. Kind of the key benifits to carrying a gun. Unless you are heightened (some of us are), you are useless if you OC. People get too comfortable with a weapon strapped to them, and you become de-sensitized to the fact that you have it on.

Just thought I would pass on the point of the conversation.

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I do see his being tired of MWAG calls though. Sadly, the dark blue streak up the middle of the State means that will not change for a long time.

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He seems to have to deal with a MWAG call often, and since it "causes alarm...yadda yadda.." It get's a little tiring.

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Last night I had a long Facebook chat with a friend of mine who has been with the WSP for over 20 years.

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He seems to have to deal with a MWAG call often, and since it "causes alarm...yadda yadda.."

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He seems to have to deal with a MWAG call often, and since it "causes alarm...yadda yadda.." It get's a little tiring.

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Really? The State Patrol?

What part of the state does he work in?

(whole original post not quoted on purpose)

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The Troopers I have known for well over 20 years could care less if you carry. Open or Concealed. During a traffic stop, and once they know that you are armed (or have a weapon in the car) they merely want two things. First is a CPL and second, leave the gun where it is. If on your person, and they want to separate it from you for the duration of the stop they will remove it, place it where they can maintain control (or sometimes merely have the driver step out of the car and return to his patrol vehicle with him).

In short, most if not all troopers could care less HOW you carry, just that they are safe during the stop.

Common sense suggests that a proper holster is required but unfortunately, common sense is not all that common today.

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I was pulled over this summr for a traffic stop. Sig in the passenger seat, loaded. I had a rag over it but knew that he would approach the passenger side so removed the rag and informen him immediately. He said 'thanks' and 'how often do you carry?' I said 'always' and he said 'I don't blame you', then wrote me a ticket. Never asked for my CPL, never asked if it was loaded (it is and chambered).... he never seemed concerned.

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I was pulled over this summr for a traffic stop. Sig in the passenger seat, loaded. I had a rag over it but knew that he would approach the passenger side so removed the rag and informen him immediately. He said 'thanks' and 'how often do you carry?' I said 'always' and he said 'I don't blame you', then wrote me a ticket. Never asked for my CPL, never asked if it was loaded (it is and chambered).... he never seemed concerned.

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This is about the same as the encounters I've had with WSP. One trooper, was like, "Umm, OK. You arent going to shoot me with it, are you? ("Well, no.") OK, then (shrugging his shoulders a bit). Can I get your drivers license/reg./proof of insurance?" That was it. Almost like "Um, that's great, I've got one too....can I get to writing your ticket now?" Very chill.

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