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    Hello all!



    I have been on this site for the past week and have learned quite a bit of useful information. I thank you for that. I hope to become aquainted withsome of you, and hopefully come to a few meet and greets soon!



    Jeremy

    Are there any members that have open carried in Monroe?


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    Welcome!

    And yes, there was a meeting in Monroe some time ago.
    Answer every question about open carry in Michigan you ever had with one convenient and free book- http://libertyisforeveryone.com/open-carry-resources/

    The complete and utter truth can be challenged from every direction and it will always hold up. Accordingly there are few greater displays of illegitimacy than to attempt to impede free thought and communication.

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    Welcome!

    It's a pretty good drive from Monroe, but we're having a Meet & Eat in Kalamazoo this Saturday at noon. There will be 10-15 people in attendance, so it would be a great opportunity to meet some of us. If you can make it out, we'd love to meet you!

    Here's the thread:

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/34932.html
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    Hello and welcome. love seeing new members, hope to see you on here in the future.

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    Welcome, sit down, have a doughnut and coffee....where'd all the doughnuts go....?

    Dammit!

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    mudvr1212 wrote:
    Hello all!



    I have been on this site for the past week and have learned quite a bit of useful information. I thank you for that. I hope to become aquainted withsome of you, and hopefully come to a few meet and greets soon!



    Jeremy

    Are there any members that have open carried in Monroe?
    Welcome to the site. I was in Monroe last weekend for the gun show. After the show I met up with some friends who came over from Dundee. Walked around downtown and grabbed a bite to eat. No problems there as well as I'm in Dundee 3-4 times per month and never have issues.

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    Welcome....jeremy:X

    one of us has to go.


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    Since I became a member, I haven't missed a day on the site!

    Thank you for the warm welcomes!



    The Kalamazoo meet I won't be able to attend. Sorry! I just bought a house, and am putting in a new bath tub and painting the kitchen. My brother just surprised me and came home early for the holidays!!!:celebrateHe lives in Las Vegas. I didn't get the house finished before he got home, like I planned, but it's okay.



    Once again, thank you and I will be posting soon!



    Question. Is it legal to open carry in say Meijer, without having my CPL? Or since they sell liquor, it's required to have a CPL?

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    mudvr1212 wrote:
    Question. Is it legal to open carry in say Meijer, without having my CPL? Or since they sell liquor, it's required to have a CPL?
    Welcome to the forum.

    No, you may not carry (in any form) into any establishment that has a liquor license without a CPL.

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    What T Vance said:what:

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    Welcome to the forum Jeremy!

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    Thank you T.

    I thought that was the law but I just wanted confirmation.

    My friend, who has his CPL, is telling me that it's COMPLETELY ILLEGAL to open carry in Michigan, especially Pistol Free Zones even with a CPL. I tried telling him to get on here and read the laws. He said. My instructor at me CCW class told us that it was illegal and we would get arrested.

    He may just have to come with me to the class MOC is putting on in Shelby in January (atleast I'mgoing to tryto make it).

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    mudvr1212 wrote:
    My friend, who has his CPL, is telling me that it's COMPLETELY ILLEGAL to open carry in Michigan, especially Pistol Free Zones even with a CPL. I tried telling him to get on here and read the laws. He said. My instructor at me CCW class told us that it was illegal and we would get arrested.
    No it is not illegal to OC in Michigan. Only 6 states in the USA have a law that does not allow OC.

    It is unlawful to OC in PFZ's without a CPL, as well as CC in PFZ's.But if you have a CPL you CAN OC into PFZ's.

    Many CPL instructors pass along bad info like you have stated. Mine said the same thing. True, you may be harrassed for OCing, but it is not happening as much as it used to.

    Make sure you read this thread and know it from top to bottom before you decide to start OCing.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/17262.html


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    Let's get that CPL Instructors name so we can get him the info he needs. Please post his contact info and one of us will fill him in on Michigan Firearms Laws!

    oh yeah and welcome to OCDO!

    Mike

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    Welcome Jeremy:celebrate Read, Memorize, & Rehearse!

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    I'll try to getthe instructorscontact information if my friend still has it.



    I've read the thread about three times this week, and have read both the pamphlet and the letter for the LEO from the MOC website.

    Very good information, that's exactly what I thought the law said about PFZ's while open carrying with your CPL. If I can't get him on track, I'll have to give one you my friends phone number so you can call him and have a conversation.



    Once again, thank you for the warm welcome! This seems like a tight knit group!!!

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    mudvr1212 wrote:
    This seems like a tight knit group!!!
    It definitely is. But the interesting thing is that we're tight knit about gun rights, and gun rights only. People here have all types of religious and political backgrounds.

    That is the neat thing about 2nd amendment activism. All wings of the political and religious spectrum have room to agree on the right to self preservation.
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    Michigander wrote:
    It definitely is. But the interesting thing is that we're tight knit about gun rights, and gun rights only. People here have all types of religious and political backgrounds.
    Yet it seems like everyone knows to take those shoes off at the door when they enter here.

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    T Vance wrote:
    Yet it seems like everyone knows to take those shoes off at the door when they enter here.
    I have no shoes because I'm a barefoot heathen :P

    Oh, and welcome Jeremy. Give your friend this link

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(m3v...aspx?page=home

    Which will allow him to do a keyword search of all of Michigan's Compiled Laws (MCLs) and challenge him to find where it says open carry is illegal.

    And don't let him try to sell you on the tired old "there's nothing that says it is legal either." Remember that laws aren't written to tell us what we can do, they are written to identify prohibited behavior and to lay out punishments should you be caught engaging in said behavior. The exception to thisis a law thatauthorizes someone to engage inbehavior that is normally prohibited ....like being licensed to carry a concealed pistol, drive a car, etc. Since there is no law prohibiting OC it is legal.

    Put something good on the table like bet him an expensivesteak dinner or as one member suggests get him to put his gun on the line. If he's wrong he'll sign it over to you and if you are you'll signyours over to him. Get him to put his money where his mouth is.

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    Welcome to OCDO.
    I have tried this "Money where thou Mouth is" tactic several times and always get same results. They don't have time for petty BS. Yet they always spew "petty BS". Being I am a truck driver I have even more idiot BS to deal with and the idiots who think they know "gun laws" pertaining to commercial vehicles.

    I have actually laid large sums of money on the counter in truck stops and told them "Prove it and put your money where your mouth is or ****!" They always end up calling me a name or two and skulk off. GO figure.....just sayin.....
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    Bronson wrote:
    I have no shoes because I'm a barefoot heathen :P
    We should OC barefoot on the beach together someday...

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    I would just like it if he know the correct law. He is laid off, so I don't want to put any money on the table since he's in a bind. I sure wouldn't mind having his new revolver though His wife doesn't even know he has it...



    Slow, what are the laws pertaining to carry in a commercial vehicle?

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    mudvr1212 wrote:
    I would just like it if he know the correct law. He is laid off, so I don't want to put any money on the table since he's in a bind. I sure wouldn't mind having his new revolver though His wife doesn't even know he has it...



    Slow, what are the laws pertaining to carry in a commercial vehicle?
    Welcome to the forum Jeremy.

    It is my observation that many people who are licensed to carry concealed weapons by their respective states, as well as those who instruct them for that license, have what I would refer to as an elitist mentality. This can manifest itself in many forms, and one of those is the thinking that they know better than the uninformed.

    How well do you know your friend that he won't take your word and at least have the open mind to verify or disprove your assertion. It's a simple enough thing to look up, so it shouldn't be hard to verify. Like Bronson said, "If it's illegal, there will be a law that prohibits it."

    How do you tell your best friend that he is wrong?

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    Well I should be seeing him this weekend, and I'll print out a tri-fold from MOC today. I'll punch him and then say READ THIS DUMMY!

    After he reads it I'll say I told you SO while I'm sticking my tongue out and waving my hands with my thumbs in my ears!:celebrate

    Maybe after that, he will pull out his pistol (which he always has on him), put it on hissideand carry it open for once.



    Am I abusing the smileys???:what:

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    No, not to me. I like smileys. As to the laws & commercial vehicles. There is no law written that makes your POV & a commercial vehicle any different. Where they get me is "COMPANY POLICY".

    I own the truck but the company I lease to says "NO!" so it's no. And I do understand because I go into nuclear power plants and restricted military installations where no weapons, camera's, knives,riders, animal's or even phones with camera's are allowed.


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