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    First off,
    I would like to say senator adam kline, IS A PANZY. I will not bother capitalizing his name.

    I am indeed a new member to OCDO, and I am young,18, and very new to this subject. I am an Asian American male, and I might not look "normal" to some. However I am not a criminal. I was in downtown Seattle this morning, and on OCDO, when I saw NavyLT's post about the wa ceasefire meeting at 31st and King St in the Leschi neighborhood. Right away I searched the bus route there, and ran to catch the bus.

    I arrived early, and got a seat in the second row, if there is any video, I am the asian kid with the black hoodie near the front of the room. I introduced myself to Ellie and had a conversation with her about the views and why she was here and what she wanted. Part of the conversation she was being a panzy and running from my direct question, but she still respected my opinion.

    The meeting began. There was a board up front, with a picture of an AR-15 if I am correct. The first crap I heard was "ban military assault semi-automatic weapons". RED FLAG in my head started swinging around. But this was the first time I had ever attended a public meeting of this sort, and did not know the etiquette. I stayed hush, and listened carefully.

    There were a couple of guest speakers, and I am bad at names, but I definitely remember adam kline. Because he disrespected me at the end. We'll get to that. One of the guest speakers was the mother of Aaron Sullivan, who was killed by a 19 year old man after an argument about a female with a semi-automatic rifle. I totally respect her for what she had to say, but this is where the emotional crap came in to ease everyone into the mood.

    Next we had Rev. Dr. Samuel B. Mckinney speak, and he just came up and cracked some jokes about how he didn't get shipped overseas in the military because he "missed" his targets while shooting. I don't know where the hell he was going with that.

    Then they had a discussion of how every black man in that room has been pulled over by the police, etc.

    Next up, SPD Chief John Diaz. He talked about how the ban would not prevent murders but would prevent "mass murders" which is what these "military assault semi-automatic weapons" are ONLY made for.

    Also, the "gunshow loophole" where background checks were done once and last for "decades" and anyone 18 and over could just go in there and buy anything. They did not mention this is not a GUNSHOW LOOP, this is a LAW LOOP, where a private sell does not require a BG check, but FFL dealers MUST. Bastards.

    There were a couple legislators that talked about the ban, that pointed out various items on the AR-15 and talked about how unnecessary they are.

    Question time came.

    Ok I had a meeting with another person at 1130, but I delayed it while he was on the way, and I was in the meeting, because I wanted my god damn questions answered in front of everyone. Now remember, my first time going to one of these, and dealing with these "high level" people. Questions came, and everytime they'd stop, I'd try to pipe up but nope, let's ignore that acne face asian kid, he don't look like he would contribute to our cause, f*** him.

    An interesting question came. The legislators mentioned something about doing MORE background checks on people who have guns currently, and maybe having sheriffs come into the home to make sure the guns were locked up properly,etc. The lady brought up "invasion of privacy" and then after a bit of going back and forth, the legislators, said, we won't have that done probably. WTH.

    They said 2 more questions, and some younger female spoke out about compassion and whatnot, and then I kept trying to start my question, HELL, even the white older lady (Ellie) next to me who DISSAGREED with my opinion, grabbed my arm in the air and spoke out "This young man, the youngest in here, has a question!!!". Pffft, like anyone of them cared. Wow. Even the black man behind me and the lady in front was saying, "I want to hear his question!"

    Instead of taking 2 questions, they decided to take 3 and it sure as hell wasn't me. I wish, I had one of you guys from OCDO, to give me some courage to REALLY SPEAK OUT. But this was my first time, but also my chance to speak out against this BS. And I failed.

    Anyways, they ended it around 10:50ish, and said we'll take your questions private 1 on 1. I called BS on that. I was pissed. I didn't want no 1 on 1 crap. I wanted to front these idiots in front of everyone.

    But a couple people behind me were still saying, they wanted to hear what I wanted to ask, so I asked who would I speak to, and was pointed to senator adam kline. I went up to him, asked him, " I am confused about this suggested ban, what is it that you are banning, the appearance or the technology?'

    He tried to say some s*** about the flash hider muzzle, the multi-position stock, that would make it "EASY" to hide. WTF.

    I repeated my question and told him he wasn't answering it. He started to try to get away, I told him, the function of the semi-automatic rifle, and a semi-automatic "hunters" rifle, are the same, and that the difference was the appearance. Bastard did not want to face me. Some asswipe cut me off and he had adam kline decided to have a mini conversation in front of my damn face, loudly speaking to not let me cut in. I stood there and waited. He finally stopped, and I tried to get another direct answer from him, but nope he decided to walk away. I was pissed, but I did not know what to do that would not get me in trouble.

    I went back to Ellie and thanked her and she gave me her card (she's an MD at harborview) and left and ran back to the bus to get to downtown to meet the guy I was meeting before.

    senator adam kline, wants to deal with important issues, yet he cannot "handle" an 18 year old kid. WTF is he doing.

    adam kline, you are indeed a panzy, that ran away from my questions that you knew would destroy your credibility.

    I want to add something also. Remember that I am an asian american, and most of you here are old white dudes (from what I see in your OC gathering picnic pics), maybe a coloured guy or two, but never more than a few. I am young. And I am learning, and people like adam kline are the reason us "young teens" DON'T F***ING talk to older people, because they don't F***ING listen, unless the views and opinions are specifically the same.

    SVG, posted that I can be the guy to break the stereotype, and F*** yeah I am more motivated to do that now more than ever.

    And I am out.

    Maybe this was a rant, but this is how I feel.


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    The force is strong with this one, I like him..... At the next OC meet your meal is on me.

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    M1Gunr wrote:
    The force is strong with this one, I like him..... At the next OC meet your meal is on me.
    Meal don't matter to me, how about a ride to the actual meet instead.


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    if its one up north you got it !

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    Nice job at attending.

    I posted all of the emails of the reps and senators in the other thread. Hopefully we can spread the word about this ignoramous and his "assault weapons ban."

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    Poosharker wrote:
    ... most of you here are old white dudes (from what I see in your OC gathering picnic pics), maybe a coloured guy or two, but never more than a few.
    Don't forget overweight

    Good. Get motivated. Get your friends and family interested and educated on these matters.

    Remember, the old guard will need to pass the torch to your generation.
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    I agree...the force is strong....

    Welcome, I love the diversity, it is what is needed to BLOW the minds of the anti's
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    Poosharker wrote:
    SVG, posted that I can be the guy to break the stereotype, and F*** yeah I am more motivated to do that now more than ever.
    Hell yeah, Brother!

    I think that all us "young-whipper-snappers" are gonna be the ones to break the mold. Its gonna be a long hard battle, but, I think that alot of us young'ns are more bound and determined to fix the problem.

    What if some jerk kicks in my door, am I not allowed to knock him down with my M&P15? I have a wife and two kids to protect! I read that, here in Bellingham, average PD response time is 14 minutes. 14 MINUTES!!!!!!!! If the fit hits the shan, am I supposed to wait 14 minutes for the cops to show up.

    I WILL DEFEND MYSELF AND MY FAMILY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I am the person responsible for myself, my wife and my son. I take that VERY seriously.

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    http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1324865265

    Adam Kline's Facebook Profile


    His fan pages:
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    Want to call him out at another event?
    http://www.facebook.com/event.php?ei...473&ref=mf

    He is supposedly going to attend that one, as far as his wall posts go.

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    swatspyder wrote:
    I posted all of the emails of the reps and senators in the other thread. Hopefully we can spread the word about this ignoramous and his "assault weapons ban."
    swatspyder, I hate to say it to you, but emails and phone calls aren't going to do anything, after my encounter with these people, you have to get in their face, and not let them run away, which they did from me. I kept watching the other thread by NavyLT to see if someone else would respond that they were going until the second I had to run for the bus, and kept looking around for anyone OCing at the meet, but alas, I was alone. I was nervous the whole time, and my mouth was dry, maybe due to the fact I been up since 3PM yesterday. But I should have spoken out, at the second they spoke of that madness about sheriffs coming into my home to tell me how to lock up my own guns. With you guys though I am sure I can get the support and be familiarized with these subject and confidently speak out against the wrongs that I hear coming from these peoples mouth.


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    Unfortunately, this type of attitude is not limited to gun control politicians.

    Over the last few years, I have been trying to get more involved with local and other issues. I have been to a few traffic planning "open houses" where they didn't really want to hear or use citizen feedback. It almost seems that the decisions have already been made, the plans laid and they do not want to hear from anyone to the contrary.

    It DOES get frustrating, but we have to keep it up.

    Thanks for attending, Poosharker....time like these are when a good shirt or id badge would be handy, although they would probably NEVER call on one of us if we were identified...something about prejudice or something. Sounds like there were some people willing to hear other questions, if not actually open minded.

    Gary

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    NavyLT wrote:
    A sheriff going door to door to check on weapons?!? WTF! Not in this lifetime. BTW, if you didn't know, in Washington no law enforcement officer may enter your home without a search warrant, no matter what they say. That is RCW 10.79.040

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=10.79.040:



    RCW 10.79.040
    Search without warrant unlawful — Penalty.
    (1) It shall be unlawful for any policeman or other peace officer to enter and search any private dwelling house or place of residence without the authority of a search warrant issued upon a complaint as by law provided.

    (2) Any policeman or other peace officer violating the provisions of this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor.

    You will also find this little court case to be very interesting reading:

    http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/pdf/817197.opn.pdf

    Also poosharker, google "BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters". It's a 45 minute video on youtube well worth watching.
    Thanks NavyLT, I will read up on that court case when I get some rest, and can actually focus. I did watch Busted before, and I learned a great deal from it, and I also watched that one video of some Law professor or something, "Don't talk to the police" and I quite enjoyed viewing it and learning from it. I failed the "how many people were shot" question he asked in it... But hey! I am learning!

    Also, the part about only allowing police in with a warrant was spinning through my head also when they were talking about that issue.




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    PoppaGary wrote:

    Thanks for attending, Poosharker....time like these are when a good shirt or id badge would be handy, although they would probably NEVER call on one of us if we were identified...something about prejudice or something. Sounds like there were some people willing to hear other questions, if not actually open minded.

    Gary
    PoppaGary, I wore nice black dress pants, and a nice fitting grey shirt underneath, I wanted to take off my hoodie, but I had an ASP baton on my belt....I am sure they would be alarmed and might tell me to leave the Senior building. And of course I am not going to refuse to leave with all those cops around....


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    Poosharker wrote:
    swatspyder wrote:
    I posted all of the emails of the reps and senators in the other thread. Hopefully we can spread the word about this ignoramous and his "assault weapons ban."
    swatspyder, I hate to say it to you, but emails and phone calls aren't going to do anything, after my encounter with these people, you have to get in their face, and not let them run away, which they did from me. I kept watching the other thread by NavyLT to see if someone else would respond that they were going until the second I had to run for the bus, and kept looking around for anyone OCing at the meet, but alas, I was alone. I was nervous the whole time, and my mouth was dry, maybe due to the fact I been up since 3PM yesterday. But I should have spoken out, at the second they spoke of that madness about sheriffs coming into my home to tell me how to lock up my own guns. With you guys though I am sure I can get the support and be familiarized with these subject and confidently speak out against the wrongs that I hear coming from these peoples mouth.
    fromBlake, Rep. Brian <Blake.Brian@leg.wa.gov>
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    subjectRE: *Urgent* Information regarding the proposed military-style assault weapons ban
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    I oppose the Bill and will work to stop it. Brian Blake


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    swatspyder wrote:
    fromBlake, Rep. Brian <Blake.Brian@leg.wa.gov>
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    I oppose the Bill and will work to stop it. Brian Blake
    I apologize, thought you were thinking of emailing the antis. Sorry for my n00bn3ss. Ahhhhh I need to sleep....


    OH YEAH, I FORGOT ONE MORE THING!
    They mentioned the AR-15 had a firing rate of 200 RPM. And in the hands on anybody, with the "pistol grip, to shoot from the hip", you could hit anything, "and these bullets don't miss" <<what he said to everyone. I asked adam if he could shoot 200RPM,

    AND HE SAID YES!




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    Yay youngin... you are exactly what this forum and our picnics need. We need to expand our membership to include all people of this great nation. As soon as my wife becomes a citizen, she'll begin open carrying too... and then we'll have an asian woman as a part of our group. We do need more women as well.
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    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    Yay youngin... you are exactly what this forum and our picnics need. We need to expand our membership to include all people of this great nation. As soon as my wife becomes a citizen, she'll begin open carrying too... and then we'll have an asian woman as a part of our group. We do need more women as well.
    My girlfriend is currently 20 y/o, but eventually, I will get her to carry. She has been wanting to go shoot for a while. Still scared of how loud our guns are, but she has been getting more used to it every time I take her to the range.

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    Poosharker wrote:
    swatspyder wrote:
    fromBlake, Rep. Brian <Blake.Brian@leg.wa.gov>
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    mailed-byleg.wa.gov

    I oppose the Bill and will work to stop it. Brian Blake
    I apologize, thought you were thinking of emailing the antis. Sorry for my n00bn3ss. Ahhhhh I need to sleep....


    OH YEAH, I FORGOT ONE MORE THING!
    They mentioned the AR-15 had a firing rate of 200 RPM. And in the hands on anybody, with the "pistol grip, to shoot from the hip", you could hit anything, "and these bullets don't miss" <<what he said to everyone. I asked adam if he could shoot 200RPM,

    AND HE SAID YES!


    Seven 30rd mags in one minute

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    Seven 30rd mags in one minute
    You think he's that good? Maybe he could do it spraying, but I don't know about being accurate. But then again, "these bullets don't miss". Why exactly would he practice if he's so against these guns....hmmm..


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    Poosharker, GOOD ON YA for making it there on such short notice and on such little sleep. I absolutely applaud you for getting so far out of your comfort zone!

    I'm glad you're worked up about this, and I like that you wrote candidly about your visit behind enemy lines. I hope to meet you and shake your hand soon.

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    NavyLT wrote:

    But I really need to get one of those pistol grip thingies that will aim the weapon for me while I am shooting from the hip! That sounds really cooL!
    You can't do that! That is not appropriate for "hunting deer", which is what firearms are supposed to be used for! According to the folks at the meeting. Sigh, another detail I forgot to put in the OP. "Deer hunting", you don't need an AR-15 for that!

    GOD I WAS PANICKING IN THE MORNING, I WISH I HAD A RECORDER, SUCH SHORT NOTICE UGH.


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    Poosharker wrote:
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    But I really need to get one of those pistol grip thingies that will aim the weapon for me while I am shooting from the hip! That sounds really cooL!
    You can't do that! That is not appropriate for "hunting deer", which is what firearms are supposed to be used for! According to the folks at the meeting. Sigh, another detail I forgot to put in the OP. "Deer hunting", you don't need an AR-15 for that!

    GOD I WAS PANICKING IN THE MORNING, I WISH I HAD A RECORDER, SUCH SHORT NOTICE UGH.
    Not even legal to hunt deer with an AR-15.... the anti-gunners and hunter haters of this State have been restricting us for years now (since the 1960s) and they won't stop until every single thing we do INCLUDING BREATHING is taxed and controlled.
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    Breathing is gonna be illegal cause it puts out waaaaay too much CO2, you know, that horrible greenhouse gas that plants need to survive.

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    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    Not even legal to hunt deer with an AR-15.... the anti-gunners and hunter haters of this State have been restricting us for years now (since the 1960s) and they won't stop until every single thing we do INCLUDING BREATHING is taxed and controlled.
    Hunters are freakin restricted to certain firearms to use to hunt meat??? Seriously, these antis need to have it stapled to their head. This is not about safety, this is DISCRIMINATION of appearance.....


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    Poosharker, I hope to shake your hand one day, good job. We need more young people to get riled up about this and a lot of other issues. My hat is off to you. Next time you will do even better. Go get them, you are in good company.

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