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    THE JANUARY 2 MATCH IS OFFICIALLY ON!

    From: arwillard
    Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:48 PM
    Subject: Re: concern about ice forming on asphalt on west side of spillway

    Gary;

    I just got back from the club where I wasted a bunch of good pistol ammo. Anywho, I estimate about a dozen vehicles crossed the spillway during the time I was there and there was no visible evidence of water building up on the west side of the spillway. There is water passing over the spillway, however it is less than the length of a car. So, I am going to run the match as scheduled. I know of at least two shooters who plan to be there. If the turnout is small I will not be disappointed...doesn't matter to me if 2 show up or 12 show up.

    Thanks for your input,
    Alan

    From: arwillard
    Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:49 PM
    Subject: Re: concern about ice forming on asphalt on west side of spillway

    Gary;

    One other thing I forgot to mention...the club manager will not assist anyone who may end up in a ditch or the lake. If you plan to post info to the internutz, you may want to let them know that if they attend the match they will be doing so at their own risk.



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    Fairfax/Manassas VA - January 2 - highpower rifle match - weather permitting

    Please come to our match on the first Saturday in 2010.
    January 2, 2010.

    Watch this thread for any last minute cancellations due to conditions.
    We don't stop shooting for cold weather, but ice could close the road down to the range.
    We are about to get hit with a big snow storm, and that could close the road down to the rifle range if the snow is really heavy.

    (one club rule I need to mention:
    guns must be cased except on the firing line -- concealed handguns must remain concealed and holstered -- "open-carry" not allowed on club premises)
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    From: arwillard (at) comcast.net
    Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 1:46 PM
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    Hi Gary;

    Please share with the inter-nutz.

    Attached is the bulletin for the match on January 2...weather permitting. In the next week or so, I will prepare another bulletin that will list the monthly matches for all of 2010. I will also prepare a bulletin for the Spring league as well as the HP clinic on Feb. 13, I need to get with Tom Edmonston to determine what we're going to charge and what equipment we have available to loan out for the clinic. Stay tuned.

    Thanks for your support,

    awillard

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    Are non-members who are not competing welcome to watch?

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    no open carry a rule of the club or just for this particular match for some reason?

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    Non-member spectators are welcome.

    The no-open-carry rule is a club rule for all events.

    The road to the range is still impassible due to snow.

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    W.E.G. wrote:
    Non-member spectators are welcome.

    The no-open-carry rule is a club rule for all events.

    The road to the range is still impassible due to snow.
    Thanks for the info

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    W.E.G. wrote:
    Non-member spectators are welcome.

    The no-open-carry rule is a club rule for all events.

    The road to the range is still impassible due to snow.
    Weg- I have some time next week. If the snow does not melt let me know and I can bring a machine over and plow the road. I might not get more then one lane open but that should be enough to get down the hill.

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    What range will the targets be at?

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    Renegade wrote:
    What range will the targets be at?
    The match will be at Fairfax Rod and Gun Club. The targets will be at MCB Quantico Range.

    Seriously, you might want to read the original post and review the attached flyer.
    "Research has shown that a 230 grain lead pellet placed just behind the ear at 850 FPS results in a permanent cure for violent criminal behavior."
    "If you are not getting Flak, you are not over the target"
    "186,000 Miles per second! ... Not just a good idea ... It's the law!"

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    Posted on: Dec. 24 2009,10:25

    The manager advises as of 10:00 AM this morning:
    ALL EIGHT SKEET FIELDS, THE PARKING LOTS AND WALKWAYS ARE OPEN

    THE ROAD TO THE VALLEY RANGE AND THE PARKING AREA ARE OPEN AND ICE COVERED - salt has been ordered and is to be delivered sometime this afternoon.

    THE RANGES HAVE APROX. 20" OF SNOW ON THEM FROM FIRING LINE TO BERM.

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    Please note that the "Valley" range is not the Benson range.

    The Benson range is about another quarter-mile further, including driving over a large spillway (a.k.a. "dam").

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    Renegade wrote:
    What range will the targets be at?
    Firing distance for these matches at Fairfax Rod and Gun Club is ALWAYS 200 yards.

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    From: arwillard (at) comcast.net
    Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:44 AM
    Subject: Monthly High Power Match - Jan. 2

    Greetings High Power Rifle Competitors;

    I hope y'all had a great Christmas, I sure did.

    Thanks to the rain and above-freezing temps it looks like wewill be able to have a high power match next Saturday, January 2. The match bulletin is attached. Please bring exact change - $10.00 and a stapler for putting up targets. Registration begins at 8:00am.

    If there is a threat of ice or snow before the match, be sure to check your e-mail Friday evening. I will inspect the range on Friday afternoon and I'll send out information via this e-mail list if I have to cancel the match. If you do not receive an e-mail from me that means the match is ON as scheduled.

    During the next week I will bee-mailing information to you about the HP program for 2010, I have the dates for the spring league as well as monthly matches and the Garand match.There will beaHP clinic in February, which is highly recommended for new shooters. Stay tuned.

    Have a happy and safe New Year's!

    See you on the firing line,
    Alan Willard
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    Posted on: Dec. 27 2009,09:12

    As of 0900hr. today, 12/27/09 ALL TRAP/SKEET/5-STAND FIELDS ARE OPEN.

    ROADS TO THE LOWER RANGES HAVE SOME SLIPPERY SPOTS

    WATER IS FLOWING OVER THE SPILLWAY

    USE CAUTION WHEN NAVIGATING THE ROADS TO THE LOWER RANGES

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    Fairfax Rod and Gun Club - 2010 Highpower Rifle Match Schedule




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    The weather forecast for Saturday's match is looking great!

    http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/...Select=WEATHER


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    There has been no decision to cancel the match as of this posting.

    HOWEVER.

    I want to warn of possible impassible driving conditions on the west side of the spillway.

    Many of you are well-aware that shooters driving to the “lower ranges” are required to drive over the spillway for Lake Cotting.

    Most days, there is no water flowing over the spillway.

    On the occasional days when water is flowing over the spillway, temperatures are above freezing, so there is no reason to discuss ICE.

    Now, pay attention. If water is flowing over the spillway, and temperatures are BELOW FREEZING, car tires will track water onto the asphalt road surface on the west side of the spillway.

    This may be a non-issue for the first few cars.
    However, after several cars track water onto the asphalt, that water will FREEZE.
    This hazardous situation is compounded by the fact that the asphalt is on a steep slope, with a dog-leg turn.

    If that asphalt area becomes iced, cars could become trapped between the spillway and the roadway at the bottom of the hill. Frankly, I think that would royally suck, and I would NOT want to be the guy in the Toyota in that situation. Four-wheel-drive vehicles *might* have a better shot at it. But, remember its ICE. Even four-wheel-drive has no talismanic power on ice.

    Alan Willard said he would check on range/road conditions sometime today. I will try to contact Alan, and especially find out whether water is currently flowing over the spillway.

    I will make another report here by 2100 hrs., 1 January 2010.



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    From: arwillard
    Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:12 AM
    Subject: Re: concern about ice forming on asphalt on west side of spillway

    Hi Gary;

    Youre observations are right on. I plan to go out to the range this afternoon. If water is still running over the spillway I will probably cancel the match for the reasons you stated. The current forecast for tomorrow is clear with a high of 25, so I don't think many people will be disappointed, more likely they will be relieved if I cancel the match. I will make the decision this afternoon and send out an e-mail to the list.


    Later,
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    I have always wanted to attend some matches and see what it would take to get involved. I don'tagree with the no OC allowed but it could be overlooked.

    When the NRA range first opened, they did not allowholsteredfirearms to be worn in the door but have since changed. Perhaps their budget for liability insurance is a little bigger?

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    altajava wrote:
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    I don't*agree with the no OC allowed but it could be overlooked.*

    When the NRA range first opened, they did not allow*holstered*firearms to be worn in the door but have since changed. Perhaps their budget for liability insurance is a little bigger?
    This at least the second time I have seen this comment about no OC. This is just a basic range safety rule. No reasonable range wants people not engaged in the match to wander the firing line with loaded firearms. I know someone will counter with the "but it is safely holstered so..." argument, but that does not wash, this is a basic range safety rule employed by almost all reputable ranges during competitions.

    In this case they DO allow CC so I really do not see the problem here. There is no political statement to be made with OC there, it is private property, so you can CC there without a permit. But it is after all private property and they get to set the rules.

    Last I checked there was not a lot of criminal activity at that facility.
    "Research has shown that a 230 grain lead pellet placed just behind the ear at 850 FPS results in a permanent cure for violent criminal behavior."
    "If you are not getting Flak, you are not over the target"
    "186,000 Miles per second! ... Not just a good idea ... It's the law!"

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    Hawkflyer wrote:
    altajava wrote:
    ...SNIP
    I don'tagree with the no OC allowed but it could be overlooked.

    When the NRA range first opened, they did not allowholsteredfirearms to be worn in the door but have since changed. Perhaps their budget for liability insurance is a little bigger?
    This at least the second time I have seen this comment about no OC. This is just a basic range safety rule. No reasonable range wants people not engaged in the match to wander the firing line with loaded firearms. I know someone will counter with the "but it is safely holstered so..." argument, but that does not wash, this is a basic range safety rule employed by almost all reputable ranges during competitions.

    In this case they DO allow CC so I really do not see the problem here. There is no political statement to be made with OC there, it is private property, so you can CC there without a permit. But it is after all private property and they get to set the rules.

    Last I checked there was not a lot of criminal activity at that facility.
    Two things aren't necessarily correct here. You say that there shouldn't be any loaded firearms wondering around so no OC. You then say that CC is fine. Negative comments regarding the no OC rule should be expected, this is a website for Open Carry, afterall .

    And just because it is private property does not mean you can CC with no permit. You still must have a CHP, with few exceptions. OC isn't always about political statements, it's also done for comfort and other times it is required by law (like in my case)

    I'll still might come out and watch, and I'll respect their no-OC policy since it is their property and I'm a guest.

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    As far as I know, there has NEVER been a larceny from an automobile at Fairfax Rod and Gun Club.

    If concealed-carry is not an option, I am 100% sure your sidearm will be safe if stored in your car.

    The rule about open-carry at FRGC has existed since the club opened a half-century ago.
    The Board of Directors makes the rules.
    Members who take exception to existing rules are encouraged to join the board.

    Secondarily, and consistent with the preceding comment, in events governed by NRA rules, I call your attention to rule 18.9.
    http://www.nrahq.org/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-w18.pdf
    While this rule is addressed specifically to "competitors," I think it is reasonable that it apply equally to spectators.
    If the competitors can't walk around with loaded weapons at the match, how could it be that such conduct would be allowed by spectators?

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    I suppose the logical question from my comment just above is:

    "If my handgun is UNLOADED, is open-carry OK?"

    Honestly, I'm not completely sure about that.

    I can tell you that I got "busted" in 1996 at FRGC for open-carrying a cocked-and-locked 1911. I was serving as a volunteer, coaching a rifle marksmanship clinic at the time. My actions caused considerable consternation among the parties concerned. It was eventually decided that I would be permitted to retain the gun in my open holster so long as it was unloaded.

    I can say with certainty that I would NOT rely on my anecdote as "precedent" for how similar future situations would be handled. I can say with certainty that it was a very uncomfortable encounter. Since that incident, I have made it my objective to avoid that sort of attention at FRGC.

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    THE JANUARY 2 MATCH IS OFFICIALLY ON!

    From: arwillard
    Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:48 PM
    Subject: Re: concern about ice forming on asphalt on west side of spillway

    Gary;

    I just got back from the club where I wasted a bunch of good pistol ammo. Anywho, I estimate about a dozen vehicles crossed the spillway during the time I was there and there was no visible evidence of water building up on the west side of the spillway. There is water passing over the spillway, however it is less than the length of a car. So, I am going to run the match as scheduled. I know of at least two shooters who plan to be there. If the turnout is small I will not be disappointed...doesn't matter to me if 2 show up or 12 show up.

    Thanks for your input,
    Alan

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    Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:49 PM
    Subject: Re: concern about ice forming on asphalt on west side of spillway

    Gary;

    One other thing I forgot to mention...the club manager will not assist anyone who may end up in a ditch or the lake. If you plan to post info to the internutz, you may want to let them know that if they attend the match they will be doing so at their own risk.


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    I'll see if I can make it out to watch (I don't have a qualifying rifle at the moment and I'd rather observe a match before participating).

    As I said in my previous post, I won't argue with private property owners setting their own rules, since I'm not forced in any way to go there.

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    see y'all at 0800


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