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    It has become increasingly clear that the economic situation will only get worse. Commentators are increasingly recongnizing the probabilities of at least a double dip recession and several prominant economists and analyists are warning of a very deep depression exceeding that of the one in the twenties and thirties.

    Even Nancy Pelosi recognizes that civil unrest is quite likely now. When our urbanized and badly prepared society hits that wall you can be sure that it will resemble South Africa and Mexico City. Kidnappings and robberies will skyrocket.

    We have millions of illegal Mexicans here and many of them are already criminals. What do you think they will do when (or if) the depression hits?

    It is when (or if) this happens that OC will become absolutely necessary for every day living. It is then that you will actually want people to feel the presence of that cold steel sitting on your hip. You won't care if they feel uncomfortable.

    So, this is why OC is important to me. Not so much now. But if and when things get very worse, no policeman can protect you. No policeman will be there to stop the marauding gangs that sweep into your neighborhood to rob and plunder.

    I do think that many many neighborhoods will find willing men and women who will bring out the shotguns and deer rifles and clear these BG's out fast. Just like in New Orleans and Louisiana and Mississippi after Katrina.

    Oh yeah. No LEO is taking my guns away. Period.

    So this is why OC is important for us. All I can say is may God have mercy on us. I hope after these years of Liberal Democratic control, that Americans rise up and clean house. It's not just Democrats. It's both parties filled with too many corrupt office holders who have sold us out to big multi national corporations.

    I just hope there is something left for us to put back together.

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    Wow I've never thought of it like that, that's a very good observation.

    It makes me think too..I'm thinking of selling my Marlin 30-30 in favor of getting a handgun to OC, and protect the house/vehicle. Should I do it? Or go a few more months without a firearm to protect me while I'm out and about. Shoot even weilding my Mossberg 12ga with a 24 barrel is quite hard to do in the house, so I really need the pistol for HD.

    Anyways, thanks for posting this, it's really some to think about and it could become reality and everyone should be prepared. Especailly when the theives turn into zombies. :what:

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    Keep your rifle. If things get bad, a long arm is much better than a pistol. You should try to find a way to keep the rifle and get a hand gun. Find a used one ora less expensive handgun. It might not be, and need not be the flavor of the month brand or caliber but there are less expensive choices out there worth having. Ruger has some less expensive but worthy pistols I recommend. There are some less expensive 1911's out there now.

    That 30/30 would do you well in a crisis. Next best thing to an assault rifle IMO

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    Nearly forgot to say this...sling your rifle and shotgun. It will better enable you to open carry without haphazardly swinging your gun around incrowed places which WILL bring a reaction.



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    You are very true. I've been in the market for a handgun for a long time and have done alot of researching. But most of the stuuf I've found that I liked and have determined is a quality firearm is about $500. What's a good pistol/revolver that has great quality and is very dependable under that price range? And atleast 9mm or larger...

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    KansasScout wrote:
    Nearly forgot to say this...sling your rifle and shotgun. It will better enable you to open carry without haphazardly swinging your gun around incrowed places which WILL bring a reaction.

    Well my Mossy has a sling.

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    Ruger makes a 45 auto pistol.My Stepson has one and it works great. "cheap" too . Check them out online

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    Col. Cooper, the great Pistoleer, and fan of the 1911, said a pistol is only to give you a chance to get to your rifle.
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    simmonsjoe wrote:
    Col. Cooper, the great Pistoleer, and fan of the 1911, said a pistol is only to give you a chance to get to your rifle.
    Which brings about the irony of those who will stomp you for suggesting that you just skip that and OC your rifle...

    But I do concede, a Saiga .308 with a full mag is some heavy hardware to lug about...
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    KansasScout, my sentiments exactly !!! And when it happens, not if at this point I'm afraid, I'll be the one sounding boots and saddles and mounting up. But Dang,,I'm gettin too old to fight,,again.
    ‘‘Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.’’ Thomas Jefferson

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    Seniordep2010 wrote:
    You are very true. I've been in the market for a handgun for a long time and have done alot of researching. But most of the stuuf I've found that I liked and have determined is a quality firearm is about $500. What's a good pistol/revolver that has great quality and is very dependable under that price range? And atleast 9mm or larger...
    .45 cal Springfield XD got mine for $495. Might have to pay just a bit more now, but the finest pistol I've ever fired.
    ‘‘Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.’’ Thomas Jefferson

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    I do not think there is a Hi-Point pistol made that cost's more than $200.00

    I go tmy GF a Hi-Point 9mm, and it has been a very reliable piece, they are not pretty, they are lacking features, and they are heavy, clunky and not easily stripped for cleaning. But they have a lifetime warranty and can be had for next to nothing.

    They are available in 9mm, .40 & .45

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    I have a HI-POINT jhp as my carry gun in 15,000 rounds it has never failed.

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    I've been looking at the XD's, Glocks, M&P's, and a few revolvers. Decisions, decisions...:P

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    XD, Glock, M&P semi auto's and S&W, Ruger and Taurus revolvers are all effective weapons. Pick one that fits your pocketbook without selling the 30-30.
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    Seniordep2010 wrote:
    You are very true. I've been in the market for a handgun for a long time and have done alot of researching. But most of the stuuf I've found that I liked and have determined is a quality firearm is about $500. What's a good pistol/revolver that has great quality and is very dependable under that price range? And atleast 9mm or larger...
    You might look into some of the olderC&R models. I've got a old mil/LE CZ 82 9mm (Makarov 9x18) that has been very dependable and very accurate. Best thing about it is the ammo is readily available from online suppliers, unlike the Ruger ammo (9x19). I usually buy the Mak FMJ rounds in bulk.

    You might be able to get one for under $300.

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    Might I humbly suggest a TTC/Tokarev? At $200, I'd definitely consider it a bargain, and the ammo, at ~$14 per box of 70, is definitely economical too. I use one as my daily carry gun, when I'm not in the mood to carry the CZ-52 (uses the same round, 7.62x25). Good ballistics too.

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    KansasScout wrote:
    Keep your rifle. If things get bad, a long arm is much better than a pistol. You should try to find a way to keep the rifle and get a hand gun. Find a used one ora less expensive handgun. It might not be, and need not be the flavor of the month brand or caliber but there are less expensive choices out there worth having. Ruger has some less expensive but worthy pistols I recommend. There are some less expensive 1911's out there now.

    That 30/30 would do you well in a crisis. Next best thing to an assault rifle IMO


    This article gave me a different perspective about long gunsvs thehandgunduring an economic collapse.

    look at"PART III: GUNS, AMMO AND OTHER GEAR"

    http://james4america.wordpress.com/2...-in-argentina/

    The whole article is a good read though.


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    AK-47 pistols can be had at around $400 shipped. Add a sling and you're set for whatever you come across. You can carry it with a carry permit (check local laws first). Ammo is at around $0.20 /round right now too.

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    carry my hipoint .40 large frame every day at work. i do tend to agree with current observations here; the pendelum will indeed swing, and crime will catch back up. the lull in my opinion is caused by the increase in gun ownership, cc permits going through the roof in numbers, more and more armed homeowners, and ofcourse the social programs that guarentee some people don't have to work, just collect money. if that changes, you all know what will come.

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    Thanks KansasScout and everyone else, you all convinced me not to sell my rifle! :celebrate

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    The OP is absolutely correct. Also to consider- it's a standard "Better safe/sorry" situation here. You bulk up and wait for the crash.. It'll probably happen, but even if it doesn't- it's not like you wasted your money... That's the real lesson here.

    The idea of a "Fire-Sale Everything Must Go" SHTF Economic Crisis is rather romantic for the renegade soul with a pistol.. Having to crouch and duck your way from the house to the bug-out point. Crossing paths with foes and joining forces with other rouge citizens. I try not to day-dream- but day-dreaming has nothing to do with solid planning.

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    there's a little bit of renegade in all of us
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    okboomer wrote:
    there's a little bit of renegade in all of us
    Well, why don't ya just spill the beans about the rest of our plans? huh huh huh

    Good grief! Can't anybody keep a secret around here?

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    We have many legal citizens who are also criminals. If another depression ever comes you will see the true hearts of men and it won't be just one ethnicity that turns to crime. Clint Smith says it best - what your target will look like is unknown, no one can tell you what it will look like so stop trying to generalize it. I'm not afraid of Mexicans (illegal or otherwise) any more than I am any man who needs to feed his family or wants to take advantage of the weak.

    All that being said, I do not believe that we are on the verge of a collapse, I do not believe that we will have a depression.

    Someone once told me that every generation believes that theirs will be the last. Whatever, I'll keep doing what I'm doing and if the economy collapses I'll improvise, adapt and overcome just like I have with every other problem I've solved in my life.

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