Hawkflyer
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Renegade wrote:
You must not have read the entire thread. If you had you would know that there is a lot more going on here than cosmetics and dress codes.
This guy started this entire episode with a lie. By painting the muzzle orange he was proclaiming to the world that he was in fact NOT carrying a firearm. It does not matter that when asked he admitted that it was a live fire weapon, and it matters less that it is legal. To any untrained observer (and many trained as well) it would make this weapon appear to be a toy. This was purposeful and in fact represents the one thing he thought out in advance. The actual intent was to deceive. You cannot be an OC activist by deceiving people into thinking you are carrying a toy.
Support of the RTKABA is not based in deceit, it is based in honest people acting honorably in support of their freedom and liberty while accepting the responsibility that firearms ownership carries with it. Everything in this world happens within a context. This situation is no different. The problem is that the entire story has yet to come out. According to some of his posts on other forums, something happened between this guy and the police a while back. It is not clear what the incident involved but if you start from there and look at the big context that surrounds this person a picture emerges that is not centered around RTKABA activism.
We have a guy who has some kind of history with the police, carrying an unconventional handgun, attempting to hide the fact that it is a real weapon when out in public, actively seeking AP ammo for same, trying to buy Kevlar, working to obtain a silencer, and actively attempting to confront police. He has been banished from almost every credible firearms forum on the internet except this one. Add to that the veiled threat in his statement in this thread that the police "better not" detain him too long when they stop him at the mall.
While these things may all be perfectly legal, taken together they are all also the hallmark of a person about to cause a major tragedy. There were less than half of these signs in the history of the Fort Hood shooter. There were less signs before Columbine. You ask that we help this person, and I say that we are helping him by telling him to seek help before this gets beyond help.
I can support this guys right to carry whatever he wants, but I cannot support the way he is going about it or the context in which he is acting. In my view he is preparing for and attempting to provoke a police shootout, and I fear he will get just that. My only hope is that there are no innocent people around when it happens.
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Renegade wrote:
Is this a sick joke or something?
A law-abiding veteran lawfully carries a firearm and police attack him and point a loaded damn shotgun at him...and most of you are not supporting him? Are you kidding me?!?
Suck it up, set aside the trivial and irrelevant facts that antis are so damn focused on, and support this man.
My God, what has this country become? A post above includes a picture of a minuteman. Guys that wore whatever they had available and carried the best arms they had at the time. Some were smoothbore and some were rifled - some were hunting rifle and guess what...some were military grade!!! Hello, is anyone listening?
And I bet not a single damn one of you that has criticized this man has a problem with your local fat-assed, donut choking, police "spec-ops" wanna be sporting the latest military garb and carrying a fully automatic machine gun? Right??? In your narrow mind it is perfectly OK for some mid-30s, wife-beating, citizen abusing, thug of a law enforcement officer to carry a short barreled machine gun and kick in doors, hog tie citizens, etc.
Get down to the basics here people - wake the hell up.
This man did nothing wrong.
Police attacked him and threatened his life.
Now very few of you are actually standing behind him. And why??? Freckin' cosmetic features on his firearm. Now let's get behind our fellow man and continue to educate society.
You must not have read the entire thread. If you had you would know that there is a lot more going on here than cosmetics and dress codes.
This guy started this entire episode with a lie. By painting the muzzle orange he was proclaiming to the world that he was in fact NOT carrying a firearm. It does not matter that when asked he admitted that it was a live fire weapon, and it matters less that it is legal. To any untrained observer (and many trained as well) it would make this weapon appear to be a toy. This was purposeful and in fact represents the one thing he thought out in advance. The actual intent was to deceive. You cannot be an OC activist by deceiving people into thinking you are carrying a toy.
Support of the RTKABA is not based in deceit, it is based in honest people acting honorably in support of their freedom and liberty while accepting the responsibility that firearms ownership carries with it. Everything in this world happens within a context. This situation is no different. The problem is that the entire story has yet to come out. According to some of his posts on other forums, something happened between this guy and the police a while back. It is not clear what the incident involved but if you start from there and look at the big context that surrounds this person a picture emerges that is not centered around RTKABA activism.
We have a guy who has some kind of history with the police, carrying an unconventional handgun, attempting to hide the fact that it is a real weapon when out in public, actively seeking AP ammo for same, trying to buy Kevlar, working to obtain a silencer, and actively attempting to confront police. He has been banished from almost every credible firearms forum on the internet except this one. Add to that the veiled threat in his statement in this thread that the police "better not" detain him too long when they stop him at the mall.
While these things may all be perfectly legal, taken together they are all also the hallmark of a person about to cause a major tragedy. There were less than half of these signs in the history of the Fort Hood shooter. There were less signs before Columbine. You ask that we help this person, and I say that we are helping him by telling him to seek help before this gets beyond help.
I can support this guys right to carry whatever he wants, but I cannot support the way he is going about it or the context in which he is acting. In my view he is preparing for and attempting to provoke a police shootout, and I fear he will get just that. My only hope is that there are no innocent people around when it happens.
Regards