bohdi
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I'd recommend that you get a inexpensive lapel mic with a windscreen, and a 4 - 6 foot cable.
Do you goto this park often? From the audio it seems like you have and have carried there in the past.
If the reason is so that the LEO's wouldn't think it was a toy, then why not choose a different color not associated with toy guns? Like yellow? Save the personal choices/freedom response. Here's why.
I believe that most people on this forum do not have a problem with you painting your gun any color you like. I think most people on this forum have a problem with you as an adult know that toy guns are painted orange you knowingly painting the tip of your handgun in the same color asthe nationally recognized standard of toy manufacturers. Had you done this in pink, green, fusha, you would have gotten no responses, well, maybe a "what's up with fusha dude?". I cannot think of a logical reason or artistic one at that, for you to paint just the first> 1/2" verses the way it has been shown recently in it's new color scheme. You obviously have no problem coloring the entire thing.
You lament about being detained for an unreasonable amount of time. Though you were FREE TO GO and end the situation. You could have chosen to get in your car and leave the park. You didn't. That coupled with your opening comments in your audio "Ok, here we go" paints a slightly different story about what you were hoping to accomplish. I don't know what stating the date, time and location will do for you in a court of law on an audio recording either, so what was the purpose of doing that? You get detained/arrested, all that is documented already in the paperwork you get after they release you. You also get that if you submit a FIOA for the response - have you done that yet?
You had been there for a half an hour already - not that there should be a limit to how long you can be there - I am not saying that. I am saying that packing up and beating feet wouldn't have been a loss for you at this point.30 minutes of brisk walking is a pretty good workout.
At the first contact you should have gotten a feeling that being detained was certainly possible given the response the ranger gave you. You stuck around and chose to deal with the situation. That's different than if the ranger stopped your forward progress entirely, and did not let you resume. It's hard for me to feel sorry for you for chosing to stick around when you could have left.
It's easy to forget thefive most likely outcomes while opencarrying:
1) Nothing happens, LEOs are informed and leave you alone
2) Investigation happens, LEO's quickly investigate visually and don't initiate contact with you verbally, know the lawsand leave
3) Investigation happens, LEO's investigate, don't know the laws, and take time to educate you about what they think is correct, you lightly object but comply to end the ordeal and paperwhip them after the fact
4) Investigation happens, LEO's investigate, don't know the laws, and take time to educate you about what they think is correct, youstrongly object, a supervisor is called,they don't know the laws, you still strongly object, are finally let go, and follow up to paperwhip them after the fact
5) escalation/detention/death/other
In each of the five above outcomes, the one constant in all of them Kwik is YOU.
No one here has said it, but next time maybe you should just keep going and not stop. By your accounts the LEO/ranger didn't draw down on you. If stopped, once you have proven that you have a handgun via your documentation and lack of butt stock attachment points via visible inspection, ask if you are free to go or if you are being arrested/detained.
When you act and behave in an illogical manner, it's hard for people to support you. Personally, if the tip was any other colorOR the entire front end was painted orange as it is now, and you had left, then followed up with documents to correct the situation, I'd have nothing to say than way to go brother.
I'd recommend that you get a inexpensive lapel mic with a windscreen, and a 4 - 6 foot cable.
Do you goto this park often? From the audio it seems like you have and have carried there in the past.
If the reason is so that the LEO's wouldn't think it was a toy, then why not choose a different color not associated with toy guns? Like yellow? Save the personal choices/freedom response. Here's why.
I believe that most people on this forum do not have a problem with you painting your gun any color you like. I think most people on this forum have a problem with you as an adult know that toy guns are painted orange you knowingly painting the tip of your handgun in the same color asthe nationally recognized standard of toy manufacturers. Had you done this in pink, green, fusha, you would have gotten no responses, well, maybe a "what's up with fusha dude?". I cannot think of a logical reason or artistic one at that, for you to paint just the first> 1/2" verses the way it has been shown recently in it's new color scheme. You obviously have no problem coloring the entire thing.
You lament about being detained for an unreasonable amount of time. Though you were FREE TO GO and end the situation. You could have chosen to get in your car and leave the park. You didn't. That coupled with your opening comments in your audio "Ok, here we go" paints a slightly different story about what you were hoping to accomplish. I don't know what stating the date, time and location will do for you in a court of law on an audio recording either, so what was the purpose of doing that? You get detained/arrested, all that is documented already in the paperwork you get after they release you. You also get that if you submit a FIOA for the response - have you done that yet?
You had been there for a half an hour already - not that there should be a limit to how long you can be there - I am not saying that. I am saying that packing up and beating feet wouldn't have been a loss for you at this point.30 minutes of brisk walking is a pretty good workout.
At the first contact you should have gotten a feeling that being detained was certainly possible given the response the ranger gave you. You stuck around and chose to deal with the situation. That's different than if the ranger stopped your forward progress entirely, and did not let you resume. It's hard for me to feel sorry for you for chosing to stick around when you could have left.
It's easy to forget thefive most likely outcomes while opencarrying:
1) Nothing happens, LEOs are informed and leave you alone
2) Investigation happens, LEO's quickly investigate visually and don't initiate contact with you verbally, know the lawsand leave
3) Investigation happens, LEO's investigate, don't know the laws, and take time to educate you about what they think is correct, you lightly object but comply to end the ordeal and paperwhip them after the fact
4) Investigation happens, LEO's investigate, don't know the laws, and take time to educate you about what they think is correct, youstrongly object, a supervisor is called,they don't know the laws, you still strongly object, are finally let go, and follow up to paperwhip them after the fact
5) escalation/detention/death/other
In each of the five above outcomes, the one constant in all of them Kwik is YOU.
No one here has said it, but next time maybe you should just keep going and not stop. By your accounts the LEO/ranger didn't draw down on you. If stopped, once you have proven that you have a handgun via your documentation and lack of butt stock attachment points via visible inspection, ask if you are free to go or if you are being arrested/detained.
When you act and behave in an illogical manner, it's hard for people to support you. Personally, if the tip was any other colorOR the entire front end was painted orange as it is now, and you had left, then followed up with documents to correct the situation, I'd have nothing to say than way to go brother.
