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    Putting the lie to the Brady Bunch one inconvenient truth at a time.



    Murder Rate declined 10% while gun sales boomed

    [size=Anti-gunners have lost another one of their baseless arguments. Millions of Americans bought guns during the first six months of this year, many of them for the first time. Yet with all of those new guns in circulation, coupled with an increased demand for concealed carry licenses around the country, the streets have not been awash in blood, as gun banners repeatedly predict.”—Alan Gottlieb ][/size]

    http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m12d22-Murder-rate-declined-while-gun-sales-boomed-An-inconvenient-truth

    Or try this:

    http://tinyurl.com/ybethnb

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    Ibetthat has people on all sides of the debate surprised, especially when you throw in the economic side of things.

    Good, I hope it continues to drop.

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    "The truth will out." Nature works in mysterious ways so Darwin will not be denied.

    Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA ******* God damn the Obamination.

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    Mr. Hoffman, I've come to appreciate your posts.

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    tekshogun wrote:
    Mr. Hoffman, I've come to appreciate your posts.
    Yes, I can see. Thank you for your attention. Merry Christmas Shalom aleichem

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    According to the DC Metro Police's own website, the homicide rate in DC has dropped over 26% since this time last year (Dec 2008-Dec 2009). and this year's (2009) total homicide numbers are WAY lower than at any time in the last 20 years in DC.

    http://mpdc.dc.gov/mpdc/cwp/view,a,1239,q,561242,mpdcNav_GID,1523,mpdcNav,|.as p

    I guess the Heller Decision didn't cause the streets to run with blood and "Wild West Shootouts" to happen in our Nation's Capital, as DC's "elected" officials pronounced it would.

    http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/lo...ome-to-DC.html

    I hope "Delegate" Eleanor Holmes Norton and Mayor Adrian Fenty like the taste of crow...


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    Master Doug Huffman wrote:
    tekshogun wrote:
    Mr. Hoffman, I've come to appreciate your posts.
    Yes, I can see. Thank you for your attention. Merry Christmas Shalom aleichem
    Merry Christmas. And I apologize for misspelling your last name.

    Dreamer wrote:
    According to the DC Metro Police's own website, the homicide rate in DC has dropped over 26% since this time last year (Dec 2008-Dec 2009). and this year's (2009) total homicide numbers are WAY lower than at any time in the last 20 years in DC.

    http://mpdc.dc.gov/mpdc/cwp/view,a,1239,q,561242,mpdcNav_GID,1523,mpdcNav,|.as p

    I guess the Heller Decision didn't cause the streets to run with blood and "Wild West Shootouts" to happen in our Nation's Capital, as DC's "elected" officials pronounced it would.

    http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/lo...ome-to-DC.html

    I hope "Delegate" Eleanor Holmes Norton and Mayor Adrian Fenty like the taste of crow...

    Those are some interesting statistics. I wonder how New Orleans has been fairing...

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    Facts. . .anti's? C'mon.

    What they'll hear is "Obama reduced murder by 10% since being elected".

    Those people live in a fantasy world of pixie dust, unicorns and Eskimos; See reason? accept a study or pole that proves their mythology wrong? Good luck with that one!
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    ChinChin wrote:
    What they'll hear is "Obama reduced murder by 10% since being elected".
    Funny but I doubt that.

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    ChinChin wrote:
    Facts. . .anti's? C'mon.

    What they'll hear is "Obama reduced murder by 10% since being elected".

    Those people live in a fantasy world of pixie dust, unicorns and Eskimos; See reason? accept a study or pole that proves their mythology wrong? Good luck with that one!
    wtf:what: You realize Eskimos are real, right?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo

    And they are riflemen. (They are hunters.)

    I'm sure your slight was unintentional, as Eskimos no longer exist in your time Observer.:celebrate
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    tekshogun wrote:
    ChinChin wrote:
    What they'll hear is "Obama reduced murder by 10% since being elected".
    Funny but I doubt that.
    I don't.

    They would give Obama the credit for the reduction of crime, even though he's done nothing. Just like they would give Rev. Al Gore all the credit for saving the world from "global warming" even though there currently is no warming and may actually be another decade or twoof cooling to come, Naturally.

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    Why not they credit him for fixing the economy although it has steadily declined.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Why not they credit him for fixing the economy although it has steadily declined.
    Well, first Obama will have to convince the masses that the economy has been fixed. Might be hard to do after he forces us all to stand in soup lines. That is if we let it get that far.

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    I bet you won't find this story in any MSM news stories...it doesn't fit into their socialistagenda!

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    Task Force 16 wrote:
    tekshogun wrote:
    ChinChin wrote:
    What they'll hear is "Obama reduced murder by 10% since being elected".
    Funny but I doubt that.
    I don't.

    They would give Obama the credit for the reduction of crime, even though he's done nothing. Just like they would give Rev. Al Gore all the credit for saving the world from "global warming" even though there currently is no warming and may actually be another decade or twoof cooling to come, Naturally.
    I do. Who is they? And why would any President get any credit for reduction in crime?I think it is unrealistic thatPresident Obama or any othePresident, in this executive system,will get credit for reduction in crime.

    As for Al Gore, he has always been a snake so don't get me started on him or Global Warming.

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    ChinChin wrote:
    Facts. . .anti's? C'mon.

    What they'll hear is "Obama reduced murder by 10% since being elected".
    Sadly I believe that they will spin it this way. They will claim that Mr. Obama's program of "Hope and Change" has reduced the feelings of despair and hopelessness that, as we all know, are the true cause for violent crime.

    It's a no-brainer.



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    No Brainer is an apt description, although for the inverse of the reason the anti's will use it.

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    Well, if the antis and the Ubamanistas give Obama the credit for the crime reduction then I hate to tell yall this but they will be absolutely correct!!

    :what:WTF!?! did Alexcabbie actually say....

    Yes I did. That jug-eared communist bonehead spurred so much in the area of firearms sales, and the run on guns and ammo was immediately noticed by the thugs, that criminals have developed a new appreciation for how hazardous their professions are when facing boars instead of suckling pigs.

    "Course the Ubamanistas will try to gloss over that part.....

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Well, if the antis and the Ubamanistas give Obama the credit for the crime reduction then I hate to tell yall this but they will be absolutely correct!!

    :what:WTF!?! did Alexcabbie actually say....

    Yes I did. That jug-eared communist bonehead spurred so much in the area of firearms sales, and the run on guns and ammo was immediately noticed by the thugs, that criminals have developed a new appreciation for how hazardous their professions are when facing boars instead of suckling pigs.

    "Course the Ubamanistas will try to gloss over that part.....
    Ya know, Alex, ya might be right. Damit!

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Well, if the antis and the Ubamanistas give Obama the credit for the crime reduction then I hate to tell yall this but they will be absolutely correct!!

    :what:WTF!?! did Alexcabbie actually say....

    Yes I did. That jug-eared communist bonehead spurred so much in the area of firearms sales, and the run on guns and ammo was immediately noticed by the thugs, that criminals have developed a new appreciation for how hazardous their professions are when facing boars instead of suckling pigs.

    "Course the Ubamanistas will try to gloss over that part.....
    However, I would suffice to say that it was manufacturers, dealers, and suppliers that spurred the fears and they are the ones making bank. The only people I can remember (and still) making claims that guns will be taken away or ammo will be taxed to hell were those in the firearms business. Remember all of those Obama-Sales before and after the election of 2008? I would point out, the blame spreads far and wide on that issue. Someone took a misguided political opinion andis makingextreme bank off of it. Now, perhaps when the time does come for our gun rights to be heavily threatened, they can jack the prices even higher on us, and then they can pick a fight with the government.

    I am not trying to say Obama may OR may not take our guns away but don't assume he and his administration are the only ones to be wary of.

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    tekshogun wrote:
    I am not trying to say Obama may OR may not take our guns away but don't assume he and his administration are the only ones to be wary of.
    Good point we can't forget who signed the horrible firearm acts '68 in California.

    Ronald Reagan, and our governor and legislation followed suit here in Washington.

    This was mainly because they were afraid of black men with guns.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    This was mainly because they were afraid of black men with guns.
    I know this all too well.

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    Tek,

    Have you downloaded any of Kenn Blanchard's Podcasts that I recommended to you? I think you may find his perspective particularly enlightening considering your "situation"...

    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggressionand this is hogwash."
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    Dreamer wrote:
    Tek,

    Have you downloaded any of Kenn Blanchard's Podcasts that I recommended to you? I think you may find his perspective particularly enlightening considering your "situation"...

    *smacks head*

    I'll be doing that right now.


    I did check out his website a while though. Just never got around to getting the podcasts, so consider it a mission in progress.

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