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    I know this an uphill battle to say the least, but I need some help. The state of WA has a recall process for recalling a U.S. Senator but I can't find any proper process in doing so. The WWW seems to of no help as they keep referring to a site that has no specific instructions. Some of the requirements-be a state that is on the list, done. The number of signatures, done. The reason for recall-different for each state, a blank. I'm looking for specifics. Since WA is D, they assume I'm a R and give me the run around. Please PM me if you can help. The threat of a recall is all I have left to fight this so called health bill. Thanks!

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    I was thinking something similar but also had no idea where to start. I wrote Patty Murphy and got a letter back , THANKING ME FOR MY SUPPORT!!!!! Obvious her or her staff didn't read my e-mail.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    tekshogun wrote: My guess is he tried that already.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    tekshogun wrote: My guess is he tried that already.

    I was only kidding...

    Here, always go to your state's legislative pages if they have one that is easily searchable:

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=29A.56


    Accept my apologies Squeak.

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    tekshogun wrote:
    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    tekshogun wrote: My guess is he tried that already.

    I was only kidding...

    Here, always go to your state's legislative pages if they have one that is easily searchable:

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=29A.56


    Accept my apologies Squeak.
    No problem. Sometimes I feel I'm pissin' in the wind...

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    I was thinking something similar but also had no idea where to start. I wrote Patty Murphy and got a letter back , THANKING ME FOR MY SUPPORT!!!!! Obvious her or her staff didn't read my e-mail.
    Welcome!! I wrote Norm Dicks and got 4 replies; all carbon copies. Wrote Cant-very-well, took so long I forgot what the topic was (concerning health), Tennis shoe Murray wasn't any better. Yeah, thanking me for support! Gawd, man are they really that stupid!!! Where is Warren and Magneson when ya need them?

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    Does that link help?

    Basically, you may need to start with some kind of petition at your election office: http://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/Default.aspx

    They also have links to your various county election offices and contact information for the auditors there.

    Call call call! I think they don't make this information known either cause few people ask or they don't want you to know.

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    Tek, thanks! This will help a lot.

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    Squeak When you get it figured out, I will get signatures etc from this side of the state, just let me know and you have my help.
    Throw me to the wolves and I will come back leading the pack.

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    Orphan wrote:
    Squeak When you get it figured out, I will get signatures etc from this side of the state, just let me know and you have my help.
    Thanks! I contacted the courthouse and they told me that being this close to the health care vote that they wouldn't get the notice. I think I'm going to talk to a couple of my radio talk show hosts and see what they can do. Thanks for your support. I'm just running a little late.

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    If you can I think it's something to do since they both have not fulfilled their oaths as senators, and have not read and have passed numerous unread bills.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Lets do it, I am willing to devote a lot of time & effortto this. Anyone else????
    Throw me to the wolves and I will come back leading the pack.

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    I haven't heard back from my buddy in the broadcact business, but all of your responses are encouraging! Let's get some more on board. I've contacted the national gun forum and got some push from them.:celebrate

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    Squeak wrote:
    I've contacted the national gun forum and got some push from them.:celebrate
    Which one would that be, please?

    From some other forum...

    As you pointed out, the key to success in politics is actually doing
    something - not just talking about it.

    And, as you learned in the LTS, mobilization of the membership is the key to
    getting things done.

    Unfortunately, the reality of the situation is that we can only mobilize
    people on a limited number of occasions each legislative session. I wish it
    was different. But, it is not.

    In the past, we have tried to mobilize the membership on multiple issues
    simultaneously. What we found is that the membership could not be bothered
    with supporting multiple issues simultaneously.

    When legislators see GrassRoots leadership attempt to mobilize the
    membership and then fail to do so, the legislators see that as a sign the
    issue is not important and that the legislators can ignore or oppose it.
    Failure to mobilize when trying to do so is a sign of weakness.

    I was so disappointed in the lack of support for multiple issues that I
    considered quitting. But, I finally realized I should be thankful for
    getting support for one issue at a time rather than complaining about lack
    of support for multiple issues.

    Then, I realized that if GrassRoots leadership is able to successfully
    mobilize people on one issue at a time, we can demonstrate to the
    politicians that we are able to mobilize people if we need to do so. The
    threat of mobilizing people can be effective when there is a history of
    actually being able to mobilize people. But, if our history is one of only
    sometimes being able to mobilize people, then we appear to be less of a
    threat to the politicians.

    So, while you think we are being weak for failing to try to mobilize members
    on multiple issues simultaneously, the fact of the matter is that we are
    forced to pick our battles carefully and use the threat of mobilization on
    the other battles. If we tried to mobilize members and failed to do so,
    then we would actually be doing harm to the prospects of getting the issue
    passed that we were unable to mobilize the members for.

    When the House actually holds a hearing on H. 3994, GrassRoots leadership
    will be there. But, GrassRoots does not set the House's agenda, the House
    leadership does.

    But, this session we were on continuous standby to go into action on S.
    593. We were not willing to jeopardize S. 593 by mobilizing members on
    another issue and then not be able to mobilize them on S. 593 if needed.

    One of the toughest parts of being an activist is coming to realize that
    most people do not care about the issue that you support. Even your
    supporters usually do not support things as strongly as you do, which is why
    you are known as "activist." If everyone supported your issue as strongly
    as you do, then there would be no need for you to be an "activist."

    So, of all the issues that GrassRoots supports, which issue do you think we
    should mobilize the troops for?[code]

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    Squeak,

    Are you trying to recall both Senators?

    You did read the statute as well, right? What ever you send the Election Office/Board of Elections, it will have to meet criteria as set forth in the Revised Code of Washington, 29A.56.110.
    Whenever any legal voter of the state or of any political subdivision thereof, either individually or on behalf of an organization, desires to demand the recall and discharge of any elective public officer of the state or of such political subdivision, as the case may be, under the provisions of sections 33 and 34 of Article 1 of the Constitution, the voter shall prepare a typewritten charge, reciting that such officer, naming him or her and giving the title of the office, has committed an act or acts of malfeasance, or an act or acts of misfeasance while in office, or has violated the oath of office, or has been guilty of any two or more of the acts specified in the Constitution as grounds for recall. The charge shall state the act or acts complained of in concise language, give a detailed description including the approximate date, location, and nature of each act complained of, be signed by the person or persons making the charge, give their respective post office addresses, and be verified under oath that the person or persons believe the charge or charges to be true and have knowledge of the alleged facts upon which the stated grounds for recall are based.

    For the purposes of this chapter:

    (1) "Misfeasance" or "malfeasance" in office means any wrongful conduct that affects, interrupts, or interferes with the performance of official duty;

    (a) Additionally, "misfeasance" in office means the performance of a duty in an improper manner; and

    (b) Additionally, "malfeasance" in office means the commission of an unlawful act;

    (2) "Violation of the oath of office" means the neglect or knowing failure by an elective public officer to perform faithfully a duty imposed by law.
    [/quote]

    And from Article I of your state constitution:

    SECTION 33 RECALL OF ELECTIVE OFFICERS. Every elective public officer of the state of Washington expect [except] judges of courts of record is subject to recall and discharge by the legal voters of the state, or of the political subdivision of the state, from which he was elected whenever a petition demanding his recall, reciting that such officer has committed some act or acts of malfeasance or misfeasance while in office, or who has violated his oath of office, stating the matters complained of, signed by the percentages of the qualified electors thereof, hereinafter provided, the percentage required to be computed from the total number of votes cast for all candidates for his said office to which he was elected at the preceding election, is filed with the officer with whom a petition for nomination, or certificate for nomination, to such office must be filed under the laws of this state, and the same officer shall call a special election as provided by the general election laws of this state, and the result determined as therein provided. [AMENDMENT 8, 1911 p 504 Section 1. Approved November, 1912.]
    So is the WA Constitution saying that anyone that is successfully recalled, must call a special election themselves?

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    Doug, Thanks for your input. Nationalgunforum.com. My intention is to get the senators' attention. They answer with form letters not answering the question and phone calls, well, I won't go there! I guess I'm grasping at straws but letters and calling isn't working. I'm kinda at the next level.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    If you truly want to get their "attention," you need to forget letter-writing, etc.

    Show up in person, at sunrise, at their HOME, ring the doorbell.

    Priceless.
    Bwaahahaha, that would be priceless indeed. You may want to avoid carrying any firearms about your person.

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    Yep, bow and scrape your way to your tyrant's feet, you dis-armed subjects!

    God damn the Obamination

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    Of course, I meant that as a joke. I can just imagine Squeak showing up to ring the doorbell at sunrise and then get confronted by a SWAT team a few minutes later.

    Keep your hands where they can seem them

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    I was at the Norm Dicks town hall. He's not going to give a crap about emails.
    "Think lightly of yourself and deeply of the world." ~ Musashi

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    If you truly want to get their "attention," you need to forget letter-writing, etc.

    Show up in person, at sunrise, at their HOME, ring the doorbell.

    Priceless.

    In THE POLICE STATE OF LOUISIANA, Bobby Jindal presiding, OC'ing at a private residence is perfectly lawful, even at a political *****'s address, as long as no direct threats are spoken.

    I'd like to apologize to the actual prostitutes of this country for associating a politician with their profession.
    Is Jindal a bad Gov. I liked him when I saw him a few times on the tube....but I don't live there.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    Squeak

    I believe thatI can get other grass roots organizations involved, so it would not be just us.


    Throw me to the wolves and I will come back leading the pack.

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    tekshogun wrote:
    Of course, I meant that as a joke.
    Oh, of course, well then I take it all back - NOT.

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    I would love to deliver about a....BUNCH of letters to her. Gimme her address! I beat Kitsap county at their own game last year, and by gawd I'd LOVE to take it up a notch! One thing I learned about officials (worked in Fed. Gvt. for 35 yrs) is; 1.Everyone has a boss, 2. We all have rules we gotta follow.Find that rule and use it against them.

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