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What Is The U.S. Constitution?

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It is said that when asked what kind of government the signers of the Constitution had given us, Ben Franklin said: "A Republic, if you can keep it".

KEEP IT??!!! Hell, they are giving it away.
 

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Alexcabbie wrote:
It is said that when asked what kind of government the signers of the Constitution had given us, Ben Franklin said: "A Republic, if you can keep it".

KEEP IT??!!! Hell, they are giving it away.
Absolutely true.

Were we, the People, to do as the Constitution requires, most of the members of both houses of congress, several members of the Supreme Court, all of the president's cabinet, and the president himself would all be arrested and charged with high crimes of treason and many would meet the gallows.

Gentlemen, we have lost our national soul and it is being replaced with a crusty and evil devil of an abomination (Obamination??). The remedy of the Founders was simple. Yank them all out of the spots they occupy and run them out of town. What might they think of what's become of their fine design?
 

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Alexcabbie wrote:
It is said that when asked what kind of government the signers of the Constitution had given us, Ben Franklin said: "A Republic, if you can keep it".

KEEP IT??!!! Hell, they are giving it away.
Oh, BTW. It never ceases to amaze me, and actually appalls me to a degree, to hear people refer to our form of government as a "democracy". It is NOT a democracy. The Founders loathed democracies and called them, "the tyranny of the majority".
 

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SouthernBoy wrote:
Alexcabbie wrote:
It is said that when asked what kind of government the signers of the Constitution had given us, Ben Franklin said: "A Republic, if you can keep it".

KEEP IT??!!! Hell, they are giving it away.
Absolutely true.

Were we, the People, to do as the Constitution requires, most of the members of both houses of congress, several members of the Supreme Court, all of the president's cabinet, and the president himself would all be arrested and charged with high crimes of treason and many would meet the gallows.

Gentlemen, we have lost our national soul and it is being replaced with a crusty and evil devil of an abomination (Obamination??). The remedy of the Founders was simple. Yank them all out of the spots they occupy and run them out of town. What might they think of what's become of their fine design?
And IMHO that's exactly what we need to do. Any person that sits in the oval office and has people working for him that espouse the belief in Mao and other fascist/communist despots and thinks those policies belong here needs to be tried for high treason, and then summarily executed.
When I got my security clearance and even when we buy weapons, I'm certain that one of the questions is "Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the communist party?"
Toss ALL the bums out and let's start over with a by God "Constitutional Government"
 

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KansasMustang wrote:
SouthernBoy wrote:
Alexcabbie wrote:
It is said that when asked what kind of government the signers of the Constitution had given us, Ben Franklin said: "A Republic, if you can keep it".

KEEP IT??!!! Hell, they are giving it away.
Absolutely true.

Were we, the People, to do as the Constitution requires, most of the members of both houses of congress, several members of the Supreme Court, all of the president's cabinet, and the president himself would all be arrested and charged with high crimes of treason and many would meet the gallows.

Gentlemen, we have lost our national soul and it is being replaced with a crusty and evil devil of an abomination (Obamination??). The remedy of the Founders was simple. Yank them all out of the spots they occupy and run them out of town. What might they think of what's become of their fine design?
And IMHO that's exactly what we need to do. Any person that sits in the oval office and has people working for him that espouse the belief in Mao and other fascist/communist despots and thinks those policies belong here needs to be tried for high treason, and then summarily executed.
When I got my security clearance and even when we buy weapons, I'm certain that one of the questions is "Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the communist party?"
Toss ALL the bums out and let's start over with a by God "Constitutional Government"
Interesting you mentioned security clearances. My wife used to work for the Army Security Agency and at one time, held a Top Secret Crypto clearance. When Bill Clinton was elected president, I asked her if he would have been able to obtain the same clearance she had. She said absolutely not. Remember, in 1969 Billy Boy went to England. While there, he also visited the USSR. This, while not only the cold war was going on, but at the height of the Vietnam conflict!. And while he would not have been able to receive a clearance, he was able to assume the office of president.

Am I wrong in suggesting that if a candidate cannot pass a clearance investigation, they should not even be a candidate in the first place?
 

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While we are talking about Commie infiltration of the very highest levels of government here, did anyone know that the White House Christmas tree - the Obana family'ss personal tree inside the White House - had as one of its ornaments a bauble with the image of - sit down -

MAO TSE-TUNG (oh, pardon me it's "ze dong" which is so much more accurate). I guess the only reason he did not have one of fellow socialist Adolf Hitler was that Hitler was a piker compared to Mao in the mass murder department.

And don't forget the dog's breakfast of kooks, extremists, black racists and - the ccherry on top- the "safe schoolkids" "Czar" who twice encouraged kids in their mid-teens to have relations with older adult men, giving the advice to "use a condom" as the only admonition (And you should read this guy's writings, but only if you have swallowed poison and have to barf)

So why hasn't the whole nation risen up? Well, Obama has a real fine tuned sense of where "the edge" is. Facts get obfuscated or swept under the rug, and going to work for Obama is sorta like marrying Henry VIII - if someone becomes a liability they are simply thrown under the bus. And I am sure Rahm Emanuel has told a few people that "You know, Fort Marcy Park is nice this time of year" as a threat.

Lots of people are saying that Obama is not so bad becuse after all the extreme Left is ticked off at him. But these raving loons do not understand - as Obama does - that in the words of the Wicked Witch of the West "These things must be done delicately" or The People will wake up.

We are in big trouble; I keep saying "November 2010", but more and more I wonder if we will make it there. We have a Senate which has passed a "healthcare bill" with a "no repeal" clause - unconstitutional as all hell, but they don't care - and Obama himself is an ineffectual nincompoop when it comes to foreign policy and military matters. This with for one big thing Iran about to develop a servicable nucleqar warhead. The enemies of this country must think Obama was sent by God to help them.

Things might well get to a point where domestic unrest is imminent. And THAT will be the point where they come for the guns.

These are the "interesting times" of the old Chinese curse.

edited to correct for the right King Henry
 

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Alexcabbie wrote:
While we are talking about Commie infiltration of the very highest levels of government here, did anyone know that the White House Christmas tree - the Obana family'ss personal tree inside the White House - had as one of its ornaments a bauble with the image of - sit down -

MAO TSE-TUNG (oh, pardon me it's "ze dong" which is so much more accurate). I guess the only reason he did not have one of fellow socialist Adolf Hitler was that Hitler was a piker compared to Mao in the mass murder department.

And don't forget the dog's breakfast of kooks, extremists, black racists and - the ccherry on top- the "safe schoolkids" "Czar" who twice encouraged kids in their mid-teens to have relations with older adult men, giving the advice to "use a condom" as the only admonition (And you should read this guy's writings, but only if you have swallowed poison and have to barf)

So why hasn't the whole nation risen up? Well, Obama has a real fine tuned sense of where "the edge" is. Facts get obfuscated or swept under the rug, and going to work for Obama is sorta like marrying Henry VIII - if someone becomes a liability they are simply thrown under the bus. And I am sure Rahm Emanuel has told a few people that "You know, Fort Marcy Park is nice this time of year" as a threat.

Lots of people are saying that Obama is not so bad becuse after all the extreme Left is ticked off at him. But these raving loons do not understand - as Obama does - that in the words of the Wicked Witch of the West "These things must be done delicately" or The People will wake up.

We are in big trouble; I keep saying "November 2010", but more and more I wonder if we will make it there. We have a Senate which has passed a "healthcare bill" with a "no repeal" clause - unconstitutional as all hell, but they don't care - and Obama himself is an ineffectual nincompoop when it comes to foreign policy and military matters. This with for one big thing Iran about to develop a servicable nucleqar warhead. The enemies of this country must think Obama was sent by God to help them.

Things might well get to a point where domestic unrest is imminent. And THAT will be the point where they come for the guns.

These are the "interesting times" of the old Chinese curse.

edited to correct for the right King Henry
Yes, I heard it last week on one of the talk radio shows on 630AM radio.

The reason that we don't really hear about this stuff too much is because the Fourth Estate is comprised almost completely of the same mindset as those in these highest governmental positions, academia, the entertainment industry, and a number of other significant slots. They believe that their time as come and it is now that they must do whatever is necessary to complete the transformation to their utopia. So they are not about to expose the devil in the works for what he is because he is them. This is the culmination of 60 years of concerted effort, 90 years of actual work, to make America what they have always wanted it to be.. a Soviet Russia and communist China merging with the ten planks of Marx in place. For those who have helped them get there.... well, Lenin called them the useful idiots and we all know their fate.

As for, "And THAT will be the point where they come for the guns", do recall that it was just this very thing that resulted in the American Revolution. Wouldn't it be ironic if it were to repeat itself?
 

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Alexcabbie wrote:
While we are talking about Commie infiltration of the very highest levels of government here, did anyone know that the White House Christmas tree - the Obana family'ss personal tree inside the White House - had as one of its ornaments a bauble with the image of - sit down -

MAO TSE-TUNG (oh, pardon me it's "ze dong" which is so much more accurate). I guess the only reason he did not have one of fellow socialist Adolf Hitler was that Hitler was a piker compared to Mao in the mass murder department.

. . . .

From the White House:

Remarks of President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama
Weekly Address
December 24, 2009


FIRST LADY: This is our first Christmas in the White House, and we are so grateful for this extraordinary experience. Not far from here, in the Blue Room, is the official White House Christmas Tree. It’s an 18-foot tall Douglas-fir from West Virginia and it’s decorated with hundreds of ornaments designed by people and children from all over the country. Each one is a reminder of the traditions we cherish as Americans and the blessings we’re thankful for this holiday season.


Well,Mao in a Christmas Treeis interesting -- but so much in tension with the image consciousness of this administration that I must inquire about the source and context for this report.

Please indulge me!
 

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"WE will bury you, without firing a shot!" ~Nikita Kruzkov, former Premiere of the former USSR, circa 1960's.

The only way I could haveimagined that this could be done, is by secretlyinfiltrating our own government with communist supporters that would eventually undermine our constitution and replace it with Karl Marx's' Manifesto.

The communists are so confident today, that they're close to carrying out Kruzkovs' prophecy, they don't even try to hide their Marxist leanings anymore.

The sad thing is, too many Americans are too blind to see it.
 

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And all rights derive from property. This is why those who live in countries where the People cannot own property also have very limited rights.

I must RESPECTFULLY disagree. While I understand that property rights are fundamental, and is often one of the first rights to be undermined by people with evil intentions, I have two problems with your statement.

First, one right is not derived from another, but ratherrights are co-existent/equal. One's right to freedom of conscience is not derived from the right to own land, or the right to a jury trial, etc.

Secondly, the owning of land does not confer/bestow/grant/etc. other rights but owning property is in itself a right. Indeed, even if I own no land (or any other property) I still have basic fundamental rights.

Your observation about citizens in other lands having few other rights recognized by their governments is astute but I dont think the former is the cause of the later, rather a continuation of the pattern of abuse.
 

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I think what SouthernBoy meant was that the right to own property is basic to all other rights. We are not just talking about land here. If you can say whatever you please, but someone can decide you have too many pair of shoes and can take them away and give them to someone deemed to be deserving, what good does being able to kvetch about it do?

Property rights extend to your own person - your body - and you cannot (Rahm Emanuel's crackpot "mandatory volunteer service camps" notwithstanding) be forced into involuntary servitude unless as punishment for crime (or the first six months oif the year to make the tax money you shell out ). So actually, physical freedom is a "property right". You don't need to be Elmer Fudd and own a mansion and a yacht.
 

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The Donkey wrote:
Alexcabbie wrote:
While we are talking about Commie infiltration of the very highest levels of government here, did anyone know that the White House Christmas tree - the Obana family'ss personal tree inside the White House - had as one of its ornaments a bauble with the image of - sit down -

MAO TSE-TUNG (oh, pardon me it's "ze dong" which is so much more accurate). I guess the only reason he did not have one of fellow socialist Adolf Hitler was that Hitler was a piker compared to Mao in the mass murder department.

. . . .

From the White House:

Remarks of President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama
Weekly Address
December 24, 2009


FIRST LADY: This is our first Christmas in the White House, and we are so grateful for this extraordinary experience. Not far from here, in the Blue Room, is the official White House Christmas Tree. It’s an 18-foot tall Douglas-fir from West Virginia and it’s decorated with hundreds of ornaments designed by people and children from all over the country. Each one is a reminder of the traditions we cherish as Americans and the blessings we’re thankful for this holiday season.


Well,Mao in a Christmas Treeis interesting -- but so much in tension with the image consciousness of this administration that I must inquire about the source and context for this report.

Please indulge me!


Oh, I won't just give you a fish. I'll show you a real good fishing spot called "Google Search"; which I went to when I heard this, because frankly I could not - Commie rat Czars and buddies of Obama notwithstanding - believe that there was actually a Mao tribute on the White House Christmas Tree.

So just Google "White House Christmas Tree Mao" and you'll get proof aplenty.

Edit: Oh yeah, Donk, since there are 43million 900 thousand hits on that subject, You should know that Michelle Obama's "office" gave Media Matters the lame-o explanation that the Obama's personal tree was "decorated by various community groups". NOT THICK ENOUGH!! So she let Com-symps decorate the tree?

If the Obamas are so damned image-concious and they let someone hang a picture of Mao on their tree, then they are (1) a pair of boneheads or (2) in complete agreement with the Maoists.
 

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The worst part of it is,,DONK WHY do you keep on supporting this group of slimeballs that have invaded our white house??? I cannot believe that anyone could be so blind, and deaf. Rahm Rambo deadfish Emmanuel uses dang gangster tactics, trust me I know from Chicago politics I was born in Cook County IL. These people will do anything to get there agenda through.
There's going to be hell to pay.
Keep your powder dry!
 

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6L6GC wrote:
SouthernBoy wrote:
And all rights derive from property. This is why those who live in countries where the People cannot own property also have very limited rights.

I must RESPECTFULLY disagree. While I understand that property rights are fundamental, and is often one of the first rights to be undermined by people with evil intentions, I have two problems with your statement.

First, one right is not derived from another, but ratherrights are co-existent/equal. One's right to freedom of conscience is not derived from the right to own land, or the right to a jury trial, etc.

Secondly, the owning of land does not confer/bestow/grant/etc. other rights but owning property is in itself a right. Indeed, even if I own no land (or any other property) I still have basic fundamental rights.

Your observation about citizens in other lands having few other rights recognized by their governments is astute but I dont think the former is the cause of the later, rather a continuation of the pattern of abuse.
The statement, "all rights derive from property" is very basic in its meaning and comes from a lecture I have watched several times. By basic, I mean really basic.

Who owns you? Do you own you or does some other entity own you? A king, a master, a government? If you don't own you, you have no rights. If, on the other hand, you own yourself, then you do have rights. This was the essence of one of the segments of the seven hour lecture I mentioned. Clearly, other property also was talked about as well; real property, personal property. But the most fundamental property rights were the ownership of you. Perhaps I should have spent more time on that statement than just two sentences.

Along with this comes the concept that rights are never given or assigned by others or other entities. What then passes for rights are not rights at all but rather privileges. This is one prime reason why the Bill of Rights can never be amended. They were never given to us by our charges (the government). They are ours by birth.
 

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KansasMustang wrote:
The worst part of it is,,DONK WHY do you keep on supporting this group of slimeballs that have invaded our white house??? I cannot believe that anyone could be so blind, and deaf. Rahm Rambo deadfish Emmanuel uses dang gangster tactics, trust me I know from Chicago politics I was born in Cook County IL. These people will do anything to get there agenda through.
There's going to be hell to pay.
Keep your powder dry!

In fact, I generally support the agenda: health care for all; slowing global warming; reducing US dependence on foreign oil; the war in Afghanistan.

Guns is one exception: I just don't see the Prez getting any traction on it.

As for Mao, talk about bad taste: I wonder whether they would have given these community groups such latitude if they came back with baubles decorated with images of Hitler and Stalin.

Stupid. Just plain stupid.
 

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In fact, I generally support the agenda: health care for all; slowing global warming; reducing US dependence on foreign oil; the war in Afghanistan.


Stupid. Just plain stupid.

Then for the most part you are misinformed.

The majority of U.S. citizens don't want this unconstitutional bill, Global warming is a myth (ever wonder why they changed it to "climate change"), yes we should reduce our dependance on foreign oil, but the Liberals have stopped our attempts to getat oil we own. Besides we don't get most our oil from the middle east, ever wonder why Canada's economy seems to still be doing alright?
 

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sudden valley gunner wrote:
The Donkey wrote:
In fact, I generally support the agenda: health care for all; slowing global warming; reducing US dependence on foreign oil; the war in Afghanistan.


Stupid. Just plain stupid.

Then for the most part you are misinformed.

The majority of U.S. citizens don't want this unconstitutional bill, Global warming is a myth (ever wonder why they changed it to "climate change"), yes we should reduce our dependance on foreign oil, but the Liberals have stopped our attempts to getat oil we own. Besides we don't get most our oil from the middle east, ever wonder why Canada's economy seems to still be doing alright?
The war in Afghnistan? Do you mean the Afghan Campaign in what is no longer officially (but is in reality) the war against the 20th Century equivalent of the Barbary Pirates, only even worse than them and lurking everywhere?

Well, your boy Obama has all the military acumen of Captain Parmenter (of the old F Troop TV show). Parmenter - you re probably too young to remember but the Miracle of YouTube can give you some reference - became a "hero" when his sneeze spooked his horse and he rode past a faltering Union line where the soldiers mistook "Achoo!" for "charge"! and followed after him, turning a Union rout and certain defeat into a rally and victorious charge. This took place at, I believe, Appomattox.

Similarly any military success lled by Obama will be pure accident. I don't think he could tell a spontoon from a halberd.
 

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Ultimately crack troopers are what win, but they also must be led. In military parlance there are two types of Second Lieutenant. There is the "good effin' LT" who knows that he doesn't know everything from OCS or (maybe worse) "the Academy" and listens to his NCOs.

Then there are the freshly minted LTs who think that they outrank a Master Sergeant (in extreme cases even a Sergeant Major). Ho ho ho. On paper, yes. And that Sergeant Major better salute. But usually a field-grade will value the experience of a seasoned NCO over a 2nd Lieutenant, and with these types it burns their bacon big time. These 2nd Lieutenants are known, from their single gold bars, as "BUTTERBAR".

Obama: "Commander in Chief Butterbar" :quirky
 

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SouthernBoy wrote:

Oh, BTW. It never ceases to amaze me, and actually appalls me to a degree, to hear people refer to our form of government as a "democracy". It is NOT a democracy. The Founders loathed democracies and called them, "the tyranny of the majority".
Read this:

“Human Rights,” According to the Obama Administration

December 28, 2009 12:55 am Washington Post editorial:
Secretary of State Clinton offered an innovation: The Obama administration, she said, would “see human rights in a broad context,” in which “oppression of want — want of food, want of health, want of education, and want of equality in law and in fact” — would be addressed alongside the oppression of tyranny and torture. “That is why,” Ms. Clinton said, “the cornerstones of our 21st-century human rights agenda” would be “supporting democracy” and “fostering development.”

This is indeed an important change in U.S. human rights policy — but the idea behind it is pure 20th century. Ms. Clinton’s lumping of economic and social “rights” with political and personal freedom was a standard doctrine of the Soviet Bloc, which used to argue at every East-West conference that human rights in Czechoslovakia were superior to those in the United States, because one provided government health care that the other lacked. In fact, as U.S. diplomats used to tirelessly respond, rights of liberty — for free expression and religion, for example — are unique in that they are both natural and universal; they will exist so long as governments do not suppress them. Health care, shelter and education are desirable social services, but they depend on resources that governments may or may not possess. These are fundamentally different goods, and one cannot substitute for another.
(H/T: David Boaz)
 
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