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mrjam2jab wrote: “If a MD resident does not have a MD permit...PA will not issue to them. That is my point.”
You are correct. PA will only issue non-resdent permits to individuals who hold valid permits in their state of residence:
18 Pa.C.S. § 6109: Licenses...(e)(1) A license to carry a firearm shall be for the purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's person or in a vehicle and shall be issued if, after an investigation not to exceed 45 days, it appears that the applicant is an individual concerning whom no good cause exists to deny the license. A license shall not be issued to any of the following:
(ix) A resident of another state who does not possess a current license or permit or similar document to carry a firearm issued by that state if a license is provided for by the laws of that state, as published annually in the Federal Register by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the Treasury under
18 U.S.C. 921(a)(19) (relating to definitions).
Under §(ix), it is sort of a gray area as to whether PA would issue a non-resident to a MD resident who did not hold a MD permit. 18 USC 921(a)(19) says:
(19) The term “published ordinance” means a published law of any political subdivision of a State which the Attorney General determines to be relevant to the enforcement of this chapter and which is contained on a list compiled by the Attorney General, which list shall be published in the Federal Register, revised annually, and furnished to each licensee under this chapter.
This could be taken to mean that merely having a set of laws that allowed the issuance of CC permits in one's home stat would make one eligible for a PA non-resident permit. Or it could be taken to mean that if you WOULD be issued a permit in your home state but just hadn't applied for one, they would issue you a PA-NR permit.
Judging by MD's policy in practice, the second option would preclude most people from getting a PA-NR permit, because although MD technically DOES issue permits, it is incredibly tight-fisted with issuance, and although by law MD is a "may issue" state, by practice, is a de-facto "No-Issue" state unless you are a LEO or VERY "connected".
Without contacting the PA AG, or a PA Sheriff's department that regularly issues permits to Non-residents (like York Co.), it is difficult to say what the real policy in PA is regarding residents of "may-issue" or "non-issue" states like MD, DC, or IL...
However, I DID find this on the PA Attorney General's website:
Carrying Firearms in Pennsylvania - Frequently asked questions (by the Pennsylvania State Police)
Note: It has come to the attention of the Office of Attorney General that there has been confusion over the applicability of Pennsylvania's reciprocal privileges with regard to the residency status of an individual who has been issued a valid license/permit.
It is the position of the Office of Attorney General that recognition within Pennsylvania is based on the issuance to an individual of a valid license/permit by the reciprocal contracting state, and not on the license/permit holder's place of residence.
So it appears that if you are a MD resident without a MD permit, but you have a non-res. permit from another state (like FL or UT), PA will issue you a PA N-R permit. But again, the actual implementation of this varies from Sheriff to Sheriff, despite the fact that non-issuance of Non-residence permits to qualified individuals violates PA Statute and the PA AG's official published position.
Here is a website that lists the policies of EVERY county in PA with regards to issuing non-resident Permits. It's a little dated, (Last updated June 4, 2006) but might be a good place to start:
http://paccw.home.mindspring.com/
And from the "USA CARRY" website, here is more info:
http://www.usacarry.com/pennsylvania_concealed_carry_permit_information.html
And yes, the fees listed are correct. In PA, a LTCF is only $19. However, some Sheriffs charge additional fees for the backgrond checks and administrative fees, and I've seen some Sheriffs websites state that they charge as much as $50, and require applications be made in person, and that you have a valid PA DL. (which is, again, in violation of the requirements of PA Statutes.)
I think I'll be getting a PA N-R permit instead of a VA permit. The VA permits are $100, and PA is $19. You do the math...
