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As a new member to this forum I would like to thank each and every one of you for exercising their rights as an American citizen. After spending 28 years in the military I feel this group is what America is really about. I have spent about 4 days reading the forum back to about page 80. A lot of good info. I applaud you all. I think this group has the ability to transform the public thinking about this country’s direction. No I’m not a LEO. No, I’m not in love with cops, even though I have several friends that are. I always try to remain “user friendly” but at the same time I’m not giving up any rights.
Having said that I would like to give some unsolicited observations that apply to some.
Your rights also come with a lot of responsibilities. If one posts a question for example what is use of force, what does that tell me about you? Long before anybody straps on any tool that can do bodily harm, learn about your rights and your responsibilities. I thought the object is to protect lives and not go to court as “The Defendant”. Wouldn’t it be great if some uninformed person called 911 and the dispatched could say “I understand the man has a gun, he is what we call an “outside carry”, he is within his rights and you should be glad we have citizens that are willing to spend the money and time and training to protect himself and maybe you someday.
Proactive vs Reactive. I think your group could make major inroads into the average John Q public thinking, if your organization could have more positive interaction. Try to get some positive news coverage. Or maybe either through you folks willing to interact with LEO’s or vice versa: somehow; such as inviting LEO’s to you’re functions or maybe making a DVD about your group and what it is about. Then providing the LEO’s with it so they could see your point of view in a non-threatening position. Verses LE being dispatched to a “man with a gun” call. Every group has their 10% goof offs, Cops and OCers, how long do to you think it will be before “super cop” and a “OCer” have a fatal run in? Will that better your groups position? What do you think the news coverage will be about that? Turn your actions positive in the public eyes by standing up for your rights in a manner that is consistent with your responsibilities. Notice how some members have positive interactions with LEO and others have negative? I have to wonder what did the positive members did that created a situation that made the interaction positive? Why is it some members end up BSing with LE and other members in up in cuffs? Sometimes I know it is the “super cop”, but not very often if you connect some dots.
Within the last 2 or 3 months five cops have been gunned down doing their job in the Sea-Tac area. LEO are advertizing on the back of buses for help. Most criminals are serving 3/5 of their jail time and being kicked out back on the street. What does that tell you? What do you think a cop is thinking when he is pulling up on a “man with a gun” call?
I’m pissed off just as much as you are. I’ve spent 28 years defending this country. A lot of people have died all in all parts of the world defeating communism [/b]and socialism just to have it elected in our own country. No, I’m not giving up any of my rights.
OK, I only proof read once. Maybe a new member should not give his opinion or maybe I don’t think like some of your members. Go ahead blast away at me. I can take it. I can see where some of you might think I’m a troll. But I think this post is on topic even though, yes it is inflammatory to some.
OK, I only proof read once. Maybe a new member should not give his opinion or maybe I don’t think like some of your members. Go ahead blast away at me. I can take it. I can see where some of you might think I’m a troll. But I think this post is on topic even though, yes it is inflammatory to some. I see no benefit with cops having to approach someone with a gun that is within the law just because someone didn’t like it. I do however see a lot of benefit to the public that oc makes one more level of protection. Of course that perception will only be earned.
For example of perception
Last week when I was at Fred Myers or Staples in Burien (can’t remember which). I was just looking around for gifts and a guy caught my eye. At first I thought it was a big cell phone. Upon closer inspection I saw it was a pistol. My first thought was great that guy is not dressed like a druggie or “nut job” if there is any trouble in this place. I’m behind that guy all the way. Then driving home I tried to think when was the last time I saw somebody with a pistol on. The whole experience made me think maybe there is hope for this country.
Pat
As a new member to this forum I would like to thank each and every one of you for exercising their rights as an American citizen. After spending 28 years in the military I feel this group is what America is really about. I have spent about 4 days reading the forum back to about page 80. A lot of good info. I applaud you all. I think this group has the ability to transform the public thinking about this country’s direction. No I’m not a LEO. No, I’m not in love with cops, even though I have several friends that are. I always try to remain “user friendly” but at the same time I’m not giving up any rights.
Having said that I would like to give some unsolicited observations that apply to some.
Your rights also come with a lot of responsibilities. If one posts a question for example what is use of force, what does that tell me about you? Long before anybody straps on any tool that can do bodily harm, learn about your rights and your responsibilities. I thought the object is to protect lives and not go to court as “The Defendant”. Wouldn’t it be great if some uninformed person called 911 and the dispatched could say “I understand the man has a gun, he is what we call an “outside carry”, he is within his rights and you should be glad we have citizens that are willing to spend the money and time and training to protect himself and maybe you someday.
Proactive vs Reactive. I think your group could make major inroads into the average John Q public thinking, if your organization could have more positive interaction. Try to get some positive news coverage. Or maybe either through you folks willing to interact with LEO’s or vice versa: somehow; such as inviting LEO’s to you’re functions or maybe making a DVD about your group and what it is about. Then providing the LEO’s with it so they could see your point of view in a non-threatening position. Verses LE being dispatched to a “man with a gun” call. Every group has their 10% goof offs, Cops and OCers, how long do to you think it will be before “super cop” and a “OCer” have a fatal run in? Will that better your groups position? What do you think the news coverage will be about that? Turn your actions positive in the public eyes by standing up for your rights in a manner that is consistent with your responsibilities. Notice how some members have positive interactions with LEO and others have negative? I have to wonder what did the positive members did that created a situation that made the interaction positive? Why is it some members end up BSing with LE and other members in up in cuffs? Sometimes I know it is the “super cop”, but not very often if you connect some dots.
Within the last 2 or 3 months five cops have been gunned down doing their job in the Sea-Tac area. LEO are advertizing on the back of buses for help. Most criminals are serving 3/5 of their jail time and being kicked out back on the street. What does that tell you? What do you think a cop is thinking when he is pulling up on a “man with a gun” call?
I’m pissed off just as much as you are. I’ve spent 28 years defending this country. A lot of people have died all in all parts of the world defeating communism [/b]and socialism just to have it elected in our own country. No, I’m not giving up any of my rights.
OK, I only proof read once. Maybe a new member should not give his opinion or maybe I don’t think like some of your members. Go ahead blast away at me. I can take it. I can see where some of you might think I’m a troll. But I think this post is on topic even though, yes it is inflammatory to some.
OK, I only proof read once. Maybe a new member should not give his opinion or maybe I don’t think like some of your members. Go ahead blast away at me. I can take it. I can see where some of you might think I’m a troll. But I think this post is on topic even though, yes it is inflammatory to some. I see no benefit with cops having to approach someone with a gun that is within the law just because someone didn’t like it. I do however see a lot of benefit to the public that oc makes one more level of protection. Of course that perception will only be earned.
For example of perception
Last week when I was at Fred Myers or Staples in Burien (can’t remember which). I was just looking around for gifts and a guy caught my eye. At first I thought it was a big cell phone. Upon closer inspection I saw it was a pistol. My first thought was great that guy is not dressed like a druggie or “nut job” if there is any trouble in this place. I’m behind that guy all the way. Then driving home I tried to think when was the last time I saw somebody with a pistol on. The whole experience made me think maybe there is hope for this country.
Pat
