ixtow wrote:
Hawkflyer wrote:
Jonesy wrote:
44Brent, if you had any common sense, you would edit your previous post to remove that mans name, address and phone number. I will be complaining to the admins if you do not do so. But first I will wait to see if you have sense.
WOW! So much angst from so many of Kwikrnu's supporters just because someone else chooses to exercise a Constitutional right to free speech.
Seems to me you guys are getting all twisted up because 44Brent chooses to exercises his right to free speech by posting links to things already on the internet. In fact all this hubbub over the contact info is just crap because Embody himself put that stuff out a long time ago. In fact if he has a carry permit, that information was published in the news papers down there a while back. In fact, while it has since been edited, Kwikrnu posted the receipt for the purchase of a silencer that had the same info on it on another forum, and that included contact information for the dealer along with threats to sue the guy.
So lets summarize-
44Brent has done nothing illegal.
He is exercising his absolute Constitutional right to free speech.
He has a Constitutional right to say what he wants the way he wants as long as it is legal.
All he has done is collect information already on the net or in the news.
You know it is really Kwikrnu's supporters who are the hypocrites in this discussion. Seems a lot of you people do not like the "tip" of 44Brent's post, or the way he worded his posts. Perhaps he should have your guys let him know what is appropriate and how it should be worded in advance next time.
If you guys cant stand the others exercising their rights then perhaps you should stay out of the Bill of Rights.
You make an interesting point. But there is a twist.
No one here is threatening 44Brent with physical violence for what he did. No one is suggesting that his 'permit' to post be revoked. No one is surrounding him with cops and detaining him for 2.5 hours for making his post.
The argument that it is 'socially unacceptable' is partially up for grabs.... But the difference is that no one has posted any of 44Brent's information along side a suggestion that everyone grab their torch and pitchfork and show up at that address and beat some sense into him....
Really? Beat some sense into him? Advocates of reason and civility? Upon a man who carries an AK Pistol?
Sense is like a rubber nail. No matter how big your hammer is, it will never penetrate a thick skull. The thickest is that of a hypocrite.
I am aware of the post you are talking about here, but you have exaggerated it to some degree. First 44Brent actually said "Knock some sense into him" which is a lot different than saying "Beat some sense into him. But lets not quibble over the semantics. I agree with you that was not appropriate and maybe the mods should act on it under the forum rules.
But lets also be honest about all of this. 44Brent had nothing to do with the 2.5 hours of LEO discussions, and in fact Kwikrnu actually lengthened that mess himself by asking to talk to a supervisor and a lot of the time was waiting for the guy to get there. I am not saying that was not OK just pointing out that a lot of the time was at his request. As for people not calling for 44Brent to b banned, well I have seen a few calls for that in these discussions, and I have no position on that. I think we can put up with a lot on this forum and calls for banning controversial people are not appropriate, Disruptive people maybe, but not simply controversial.
The thing I have a problem with here is the concept that we all have to simply accept the actions of others in lock step no matter how strongly we might feel that a mistake was made, if a firearm is involved. While some people here keep trying to put words in my posts that are not there and tyr to spin what I have said. The fact is that I have never said I did not support this guys right to carry what he wants or dress how he pleases. But I still reserve the right to raise questions as to the wisdom of peoples actions and the safety of what they do.
You have a different opinion, thats fine. It is ok if we disagree. But what I have seen in this discussion a fanatical group (comment not aimed at you specifically) yelling that others are anti-rights, hypocrites, socialists, gun grabbers, closet Brady members and a lot of other derogatory commentary, simply because some of us raise some questions about parts of this situation and refuse to accept this guy and his actions as monolithically something we can support.
You guys can call it what you like, but in my view this whole story started with a lie. Yell all you want and drag in all the pictures of painted guns you choose, but you know what actually happened here. Some of you are willing to ignore it, I am not. Even he admits that the orange tip thing might have been a bad idea, yet I am excoriated for holding that view myself.
The world is not all black or all white. Support of the RTKABA does not require that I, or anyone else, accept blindly and unquestioningly everything that anyone else wants to do without question. Nor is there a requirement that I remain silent when someone does something that I think is stupid or dangerous.
I can only think of two circumstances where the sort of blind unquestioning loyalty to a cause is required such as is being demanded in this situation. Socialist and Fascist societies require such loyalty, and I unapologetically do not fit that mold, and I am not alone on this forum in that regard.
