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OC and Police issues
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suntzu
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Grapeshot wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
my point was and is valid--a legal exercise of rights in a no-permit req'd state is not a reason to conduct any type of involuntary stop--and that is what this thread is about--making it plain that we are not doing anything wrong. That is what the thread is about--the march would let them know that OC is not a crime.
barf
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suntzu wrote:
suntzu wrote:
Hey idiot - those aren't my comments. Get the frack off the Louisiana forum.
suntzu
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barf wrote:
now, meanwhile, back on the farm we were discussing the benefits of the march.
barf wrote:
actually they are your comments--go back and read the thread page 4. As for being an idiot--that I am most certainly not. I won't however reciprocate your attempt an insults. I intend to keep this discussion on an adult level.
now, meanwhile, back on the farm we were discussing the benefits of the march.
barf
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Grapeshot wrote:
But back to the OP
, make sure you visit the LOCAL site Mike
Grapeshot wrote:
Well, they both have an "a" in their abbreviation and that's probably enough for this guy.
But back to the OP
, make sure you visit the LOCAL site MikeLA Confederate
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Um I was the one that made the baggy pants commentary.
As far as the march....as I posted in another thread here, I think the march has its merits but it also needs to be done in a way that doesn't detract form the message.
Um I was the one that made the baggy pants commentary.
As far as the march....as I posted in another thread here, I think the march has its merits but it also needs to be done in a way that doesn't detract form the message.
suntzu
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LA Confederate wrote:
LA Confederate wrote:
well then, I apologize to barf and as such I have redacted the previous comments where I mistook your comments for his.
suntzu
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LA Confederate wrote:
LA Confederate wrote:
absolutely
suntzu
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sorry barf--I boo booed and tried to put words in your mouth which belonged to someone else.
sorry barf--I boo booed and tried to put words in your mouth which belonged to someone else.
mark edward marchiafava
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It's a shame most here aren't familiar with the Ohmstede decision.
A statist, non-OC'er bashing an OC'er merely on the basis of him being from another state, too funny.
It's a shame most here aren't familiar with the Ohmstede decision.
A statist, non-OC'er bashing an OC'er merely on the basis of him being from another state, too funny.
barf
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It is disheartening that some here would rather provoke infighting than join in on discussion about open carry.
Lies and distortions seem to be the norm with some.
It is disheartening that some here would rather provoke infighting than join in on discussion about open carry.
Lies and distortions seem to be the norm with some.
barf
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suntzu wrote:
suntzu wrote:
Thanks, suntzu. It's good to know that some here can be civil and have logical discussions.
suntzu
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Gentlemen, the infighting isn't helping to further the cause--our enemies want to divide us and create confusion. That is why they like to try and separate OC'ers so that they can more easily try to intimidate us. OC'ers need to give a united front against tyranny.
The point remains: We want to make it clear to the police that we are here, that OC isn't a crime, and that at least in the non-permit req'd states--OC in and of itself isn't even a justifiable reason to initiate a detainment, or conduct an illegal search or conduct intimidation with the aim to try and cause us to cower in fear at their mere presence.
The police need to be held to account for their actions against a lawful exercise of our rights. If that takes buying a new car, truck or house or even retiring on the county/parish dime then so be it.
Any time you have the opportunity to do so--file a complaint against the officers who harass/intimidate you.
Any time they violate your Constitutional rights--file a civil rights complaint with the FBI. Do it, and do it often. If Louisiana law permits you to initiate a criminal complaint--then when they unlawfully and without cause assault you, pull a weapon on you or threaten you--file a complaint and have them arrested--it may not get prosecuted, but at least they will know that you simply won't stand by and be threatened or assaulted.
Needless to say--have witnesses or get it on audio/video--makes for good youtubing.
The longer we put up with it, the worse it will get, because the police are under the impression that they can do/say anything they want and they expect us to stand by like nice little sheep and take whatever abuse they feel like giving--the longer we tolerate abuse, the worse it will get. History has shown that to be true.
Let me say it again--file a complaint against the officer(s), file a complaint with the FBI and if you have grounds to do it--sue-and sue as often as is necessary until they get the hint.
Gentlemen, the infighting isn't helping to further the cause--our enemies want to divide us and create confusion. That is why they like to try and separate OC'ers so that they can more easily try to intimidate us. OC'ers need to give a united front against tyranny.
The point remains: We want to make it clear to the police that we are here, that OC isn't a crime, and that at least in the non-permit req'd states--OC in and of itself isn't even a justifiable reason to initiate a detainment, or conduct an illegal search or conduct intimidation with the aim to try and cause us to cower in fear at their mere presence.
The police need to be held to account for their actions against a lawful exercise of our rights. If that takes buying a new car, truck or house or even retiring on the county/parish dime then so be it.
Any time you have the opportunity to do so--file a complaint against the officers who harass/intimidate you.
Any time they violate your Constitutional rights--file a civil rights complaint with the FBI. Do it, and do it often. If Louisiana law permits you to initiate a criminal complaint--then when they unlawfully and without cause assault you, pull a weapon on you or threaten you--file a complaint and have them arrested--it may not get prosecuted, but at least they will know that you simply won't stand by and be threatened or assaulted.
Needless to say--have witnesses or get it on audio/video--makes for good youtubing.
The longer we put up with it, the worse it will get, because the police are under the impression that they can do/say anything they want and they expect us to stand by like nice little sheep and take whatever abuse they feel like giving--the longer we tolerate abuse, the worse it will get. History has shown that to be true.
Let me say it again--file a complaint against the officer(s), file a complaint with the FBI and if you have grounds to do it--sue-and sue as often as is necessary until they get the hint.
mark edward marchiafava
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suntzu,
obviously, you've never tried to file a civil rights matter with the folks here in Louisiana. What may appear possible on paper only works if "they" choose to obey the law they swore to uphold, which is no guarantee. Unlike most here, I speak from experience.
Don't worry about separating the OC'ers here, as it's mostly CC'ers here.
I've provided enough info for direction, now it's up to someone to actually do it.
suntzu,
obviously, you've never tried to file a civil rights matter with the folks here in Louisiana. What may appear possible on paper only works if "they" choose to obey the law they swore to uphold, which is no guarantee. Unlike most here, I speak from experience.
Don't worry about separating the OC'ers here, as it's mostly CC'ers here.
I've provided enough info for direction, now it's up to someone to actually do it.
barf
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Thanks suntzu, great post!
While some here are mired in their failures from the past, the majority of us realize that we need to take the types of actions you outlined if involved in an illegal detainment by the police. Some of these are definitely in my play book...
Thanks suntzu, great post!
While some here are mired in their failures from the past, the majority of us realize that we need to take the types of actions you outlined if involved in an illegal detainment by the police. Some of these are definitely in my play book...
turbodog
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mark edward marchiafava wrote:
mark edward marchiafava wrote:
Do what?
barf
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turbodog wrote:
turbodog wrote:
Apparently... make an arse out of yourself enough whilst OCing, get arrested, file a civil suit, and make a name for yourself?
suntzu
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barf wrote:
barf wrote:
if civil suits help spread the word then so be it--I for one have no problems with taking settlement money from the county/parish--their money spends too.
JeepSeller
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If a department, county, city, whatever, does you wrong...by all means, make em pay. But, DON'T take that money and beat your chest citing any thing other than greed. Taking that money does NOTHING for our cause but, alienate those we are trying to reach.
You want to sue an agency for wrong doing and make it about OC? Fine, give every stinking dime to a group that works toward that end.. such as THIS group.....or..how about you start up a legal fund to help defend even more who have been wronged? But, just don't go pocketing it or buying motorcycles. The only message you spread is greed and selfishnes and certainly doesn't apply to encourage any further acceptance of gun owners. In fact, you only succeed in catering to their already incorrect presumptions of us by doing so.
In other words, put your money where your mouth is...:lol:
Oh yea..and don't go taking the SETTLEMENT and beat your chest either. You really want to preach "making them pay"? No one forces you to accept any settlement. Take it to trial! Accepting the settlement is simply allowing them to pay you off and make you go away without admiting their wrong and avoids the public scrutiny of a trial. Grow a set and go to trial. Make them defend themselves in public court. THEN, and only THEN can you actually say you've done anything for OC....otherwise you're just a paid off quitter. :quirky
If a department, county, city, whatever, does you wrong...by all means, make em pay. But, DON'T take that money and beat your chest citing any thing other than greed. Taking that money does NOTHING for our cause but, alienate those we are trying to reach.
You want to sue an agency for wrong doing and make it about OC? Fine, give every stinking dime to a group that works toward that end.. such as THIS group.....or..how about you start up a legal fund to help defend even more who have been wronged? But, just don't go pocketing it or buying motorcycles. The only message you spread is greed and selfishnes and certainly doesn't apply to encourage any further acceptance of gun owners. In fact, you only succeed in catering to their already incorrect presumptions of us by doing so.
In other words, put your money where your mouth is...:lol:
Oh yea..and don't go taking the SETTLEMENT and beat your chest either. You really want to preach "making them pay"? No one forces you to accept any settlement. Take it to trial! Accepting the settlement is simply allowing them to pay you off and make you go away without admiting their wrong and avoids the public scrutiny of a trial. Grow a set and go to trial. Make them defend themselves in public court. THEN, and only THEN can you actually say you've done anything for OC....otherwise you're just a paid off quitter. :quirky
LA Confederate
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JeepSeller wrote:
A-freaking-men
JeepSeller wrote:
A-freaking-men