LOC in Las Vegas

Gundude · Dec 26, 2009

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My wife and I drove up to Las Vegas on the 23rd for XMAS with the kids. I LOC'd EVERYWHERE.

Nothing happened. {{{{YAWN}}}}

Mike Hawk · Dec 26, 2009

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Food, folks and firearms!!! That spells Christmas to me!

SouthBayr · Dec 27, 2009

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Gundude wrote:

My wife and I drove up to Las Vegas on the 23rd for XMAS with the kids. I LOC'd EVERYWHERE.

Nothing happened. {{{{YAWN}}}}

I've been trying to get some info from reading the Nevada board, maybe you can help?

1) One can Loaded Open Carry?
2) Do they enforce the GFSZ 1000 feet restriction?
3) I understand it isn't illegal to LOC on the Strip but it is heavily frowned upon?
4) If one is only visiting for a week, than no Blue Card is needed?
5 Loaded concealed in vehicles is ok?

Gundude · Dec 27, 2009

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SouthBayr wrote:

Gundude wrote:

My wife and I drove up to Las Vegas on the 23rd for XMAS with the kids. I LOC'd EVERYWHERE.

Nothing happened. {{{{YAWN}}}}

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I've been trying to get some info from reading the Nevada board, maybe you can help?

1) One can Loaded Open Carry?
2) Do they enforce the GFSZ 1000 feet restriction?
3) I understand it isn't illegal to LOC on the Strip but it is heavily frowned upon?
4) If one is only visiting for a week, than no Blue Card is needed?
5 Loaded concealed in vehicles is ok?

IANAL

Nevada is a LOC state. They have no law against LOC, so it's legal.

The school restriction is on school property only. The GFSZ is in Calif, its not a federal law.

Apparently there have beensome negative encounters on the strip, but it's legal

The blue card is only for Clark county, and it's for residents only.

Not sure about the concealed in a vehicle, but I'm sure a locked container would be fine. North Las Vegas has something about concealed in a car, but its a city law. Not sure whats with it. I thinks it requires you to put a loaded gun in the glove box or console, But, state law supercedes local law, so it may not be enforcable.

aadvark · Dec 27, 2009

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State Law in Nevada concerning Firearms trumps and preempts any and all local regulations of Firearms in Clark County, including: Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, and Boulder City.

Clark County enjoys an exception to Nevada Firearm Preemption in light of Blue Card registration of Handguns by Private Residents.

Hopefully soon, The State of Nevada Legislature will move to repeal this exception!

OPS MARINE · Dec 27, 2009

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That is great news..I will be LOCing as well in Vegas. At least until I get my CCW, and even then, I may still LOC depending on where I am.

wewd · Dec 28, 2009

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LVMPD have a history of detaining and harassing open carriers on the strip. There's no law against it, but they don't like getting MWAG calls from frightened tourists. And of course the casinos will ask you to leave if you walk in with a visible sidearm, but that's private property and they are not obliged to let you in. Other than that you should be good to go anywhere in Nevada. You can leave your gun on your hip when you get in the car as well, or put it on the dashboard or the seat next to you if you are worried that it is being covered up too much.

CA_Libertarian · Dec 28, 2009

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SouthBayr wrote:

3) I understand it isn't illegal to LOC on the Strip but it is heavily frowned upon?
4) If one is only visiting for a week, than no Blue Card is needed?
5) Loaded concealed in vehicles is ok?

3. As others have confirmed, you may get some "frowning upon" you if you OC on the strip. Some casinos may ask you to leave... if they notice you carrying at all. I was told the same is true for Reno.

On my last trip there I OC'd everywhere, and only one tourist made a comment. None of the 7 casinos I entered had a problem with it, and I know for a fact the security guard at the cash cage in Silver Legacy took note of my firearm as I entered their casino.

My advice: carry like you expect it's not an issue, and it probably won't be. However, be prepared for it to go otherwise.

4) I believe you have to establish residence (be in the state for 6 months?) before you're required to get a Blue Card... but definitely not on a 1-week trip.

5) NV concealed carry law prohibits having a concealed firearm "on your person." Under NV law a handgun concealed in your vehicle is not "on your person" unless you actually have it on your person. The way it was explained to me is: if you can get out of your car and the firearm doesn't go with you, then it's not on your person. (No legal citations here, but I'm sure you can find plenty of info using the forum search function over in the NV section.)

I may be going to Vegas at the end of January. I fully intend to carry everywhere I go. If a casino employee asks me to leave, I plan to ask to speak to a manager so I can ask what other casinos are under their ownership so I know which ones not to spend any money in. Then I'll post over on the NV forum so other tourists know which ones want you to be a fish in a barrel.

IMO the best way to change their anti-gun policy is to repeatedly and frequently remind them that discriminating against millions of gun owners is bad for business.

Gundude · Dec 28, 2009

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CA_Libertarian wrote:

SouthBayr wrote:

3) I understand it isn't illegal to LOC on the Strip but it is heavily frowned upon?
4) If one is only visiting for a week, than no Blue Card is needed?
5) Loaded concealed in vehicles is ok?

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3. As others have confirmed, you may get some "frowning upon" you if you OC on the strip. Some casinos may ask you to leave... if they notice you carrying at all. I was told the same is true for Reno.

On my last trip there I OC'd everywhere, and only one tourist made a comment. None of the 7 casinos I entered had a problem with it, and I know for a fact the security guard at the cash cage in Silver Legacy took note of my firearm as I entered their casino.

My advice: carry like you expect it's not an issue, and it probably won't be. However, be prepared for it to go otherwise.

4) I believe you have to establish residence (be in the state for 6 months?) before you're required to get a Blue Card... but definitely not on a 1-week trip.

5) NV concealed carry law prohibits having a concealed firearm "on your person." Under NV law a handgun concealed in your vehicle is not "on your person" unless you actually have it on your person. The way it was explained to me is: if you can get out of your car and the firearm doesn't go with you, then it's not on your person. (No legal citations here, but I'm sure you can find plenty of info using the forum search function over in the NV section.)

I may be going to Vegas at the end of January. I fully intend to carry everywhere I go. If a casino employee asks me to leave, I plan to ask to speak to a manager so I can ask what other casinos are under their ownership so I know which ones not to spend any money in. Then I'll post over on the NV forum so other tourists know which ones want you to be a fish in a barrel.

IMO the best way to change their anti-gun policy is to repeatedly and frequently remind them that discriminating against millions of gun owners is bad for business.

The "blue card" registration is for Clark County. There may be other counties, but thats the one I'm sure of. You must be a resident to be required to register you firearms.

OPS MARINE · Dec 28, 2009

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CA_Libertarian wrote: snip

My advice: carry like you expect it's not an issue, and it probably won't be. However, be prepared for it to go otherwise.

I absolutely have to go with CA Libertarian on this. I make it a point to look like I need to be carrying that firearm. Sure, there are people who perhaps mistake me for an LEO, but there are others who look like they're not sure. For them, my greeting is a warm smile and a short wave. Generally, killers don't do that.

As a side note, when I OC in a bank, I make sure to have something in my shooting hand, like a piece of paper. Most people think that you cannot have one thing in your hand and make any attempts to grab at the other thing...like you just can't let that paper go. This puts them at ease, and is the ONLY place I practice that particular disarming technique.

Decoligny · Dec 28, 2009

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Gundude wrote:

SouthBayr wrote:

Gundude wrote:

My wife and I drove up to Las Vegas on the 23rd for XMAS with the kids. I LOC'd EVERYWHERE.

Nothing happened. {{{{YAWN}}}}

Click to expand...

I've been trying to get some info from reading the Nevada board, maybe you can help?

1) One can Loaded Open Carry?
2) Do they enforce the GFSZ 1000 feet restriction?
3) I understand it isn't illegal to LOC on the Strip but it is heavily frowned upon?
4) If one is only visiting for a week, than no Blue Card is needed?
5 Loaded concealed in vehicles is ok?

Click to expand...

IANAL

Nevada is a LOC state. They have no law against LOC, so it's legal.

The school restriction is on school property only. The GFSZ is in Calif, its not a federal law.

Apparently there have beensome negative encounters on the strip, but it's legal

The blue card is only for Clark county, and it's for residents only.

Not sure about the concealed in a vehicle, but I'm sure a locked container would be fine. North Las Vegas has something about concealed in a car, but its a city law. Not sure whats with it. I thinks it requires you to put a loaded gun in the glove box or console, But, state law supercedes local law, so it may not be enforcable.

You should researh the FEDERAL GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONE AT OF 1994, before spouting ERRONIOUS INFORMATION.

Very few states (if any) enforce this Federal law, but it does exist.

Gundude · Dec 28, 2009

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Decoligny wrote:

Gundude wrote:

SouthBayr wrote:

Gundude wrote:

My wife and I drove up to Las Vegas on the 23rd for XMAS with the kids. I LOC'd EVERYWHERE.

Nothing happened. {{{{YAWN}}}}

Click to expand...

I've been trying to get some info from reading the Nevada board, maybe you can help?

1) One can Loaded Open Carry?
2) Do they enforce the GFSZ 1000 feet restriction?
3) I understand it isn't illegal to LOC on the Strip but it is heavily frowned upon?
4) If one is only visiting for a week, than no Blue Card is needed?
5 Loaded concealed in vehicles is ok?

Click to expand...

IANAL

Nevada is a LOC state. They have no law against LOC, so it's legal.

The school restriction is on school property only. The GFSZ is in Calif, its not a federal law.

Apparently there have beensome negative encounters on the strip, but it's legal

The blue card is only for Clark county, and it's for residents only.

Not sure about the concealed in a vehicle, but I'm sure a locked container would be fine. North Las Vegas has something about concealed in a car, but its a city law. Not sure whats with it. I thinks it requires you to put a loaded gun in the glove box or console, But, state law supercedes local law, so it may not be enforcable.

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You should researh the FEDERAL GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONE AT OF 1994, before spouting ERRONIOUS INFORMATION.

Very few states (if any) enforce this Federal law, but it does exist.

The Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 was enacted as section 1702 of the Crime Control Act of 1990 (Pub.L. 101-647, 18 U.S.C.§922(q)) on November 29, 1990.

It was subsequently declared to be an unconstitutional exercise of Congressional authority under the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution by the United States Supreme Court, and was therefore voided. This case, United States v. Lopez (1995), was the first time in over half a century that the Supreme Court limited Congressional authority to legislate under the Commerce Clause.

See also United States v. Morrison (2000), in which the U.S. Supreme Court also ruled that Congress lacked the authority to enact such laws even when there was evidence of aggregate effect.

Congress re-enacted the law in the GFSZ Act of 1996, following the Supreme Court's ruling, correcting the technical defects identified by the Court by adding wording placing the burden on the prosecutor to prove an additional element, that the "firearm has moved in or otherwise affects interstate commerce

Dunno what happened in 1994

Gundude · Dec 28, 2009

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Gundude wrote:

Decoligny wrote:

Gundude wrote:

SouthBayr wrote:

Gundude wrote:

My wife and I drove up to Las Vegas on the 23rd for XMAS with the kids. I LOC'd EVERYWHERE.

Nothing happened. {{{{YAWN}}}}

Click to expand...

I've been trying to get some info from reading the Nevada board, maybe you can help?

1) One can Loaded Open Carry?
2) Do they enforce the GFSZ 1000 feet restriction?
3) I understand it isn't illegal to LOC on the Strip but it is heavily frowned upon?
4) If one is only visiting for a week, than no Blue Card is needed?
5 Loaded concealed in vehicles is ok?

Click to expand...

IANAL

Nevada is a LOC state. They have no law against LOC, so it's legal.

The school restriction is on school property only. The GFSZ is in Calif, its not a federal law.

Apparently there have beensome negative encounters on the strip, but it's legal

The blue card is only for Clark county, and it's for residents only.

Not sure about the concealed in a vehicle, but I'm sure a locked container would be fine. North Las Vegas has something about concealed in a car, but its a city law. Not sure whats with it. I thinks it requires you to put a loaded gun in the glove box or console, But, state law supercedes local law, so it may not be enforcable.

Click to expand...

You should researh the FEDERAL GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONE AT OF 1994, before spouting ERRONIOUS INFORMATION.

Very few states (if any) enforce this Federal law, but it does exist.

Click to expand...

The Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 was enacted as section 1702 of the Crime Control Act of 1990 (Pub.L. 101-647, 18 U.S.C.§922(q)) on November 29, 1990.

It was subsequently declared to be an unconstitutional exercise of Congressional authority under the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution by the United States Supreme Court, and was therefore voided. This case, United States v. Lopez (1995), was the first time in over half a century that the Supreme Court limited Congressional authority to legislate under the Commerce Clause.

See also United States v. Morrison (2000), in which the U.S. Supreme Court also ruled that Congress lacked the authority to enact such laws even when there was evidence of aggregate effect.

Congress re-enacted the law in the GFSZ Act of 1996, following the Supreme Court's ruling, correcting the technical defects identified by the Court by adding wording placing the burden on the prosecutor to prove an additional element, that the "firearm has moved in or otherwise affects interstate commerce

Dunno what happened in 1994

I found something abouttheGUN-FREE SCHOOLS ACT OF 1994. It has to do with students bringing gun on campus.

20 U.S.C. Chapter 70

Sec. 8921 Gun-free requirements

(a) Short title

This section may be cited as the "Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994."

(b) Requirements

(1) In general

Except as provided in paragraph (3), each State receiving Federal funds under this chapter shall have in effect a State law requiring local educational agencies to expel from school for a period of not less than one year a student who is determined to have brought a weapon to a school under the jurisdiction of local educational agencies in that State, except that such State law shall allow the chief administering officer of such local educational agency to modify such expulsion requirement for a student on a case-by-case basis.

(2) Construction

Nothing in this subchapter shall be construed to prevent a State from allowing a local educational agency that has expelled a student from such a student's regular school setting from providing educational services to such student in an alternative setting.

(3) Special rule

(A) Any State that has a law in effect prior to October 20, 1994 which is in conflict with the not less than one year expulsion requirement described in paragraph (1) shall have the period of time described in subparagraph (B) to comply with such requirement.

(B) The period of time shall be the period beginning on October 20, 1994 and ending one year after such date.

(4) Definition

For the purpose of this section, the term "weapon" means a firearm as such term is defined in Sec. 921 of title 18.

(c) Special rule

The provisions of this section shall be construed in a manner consistent with chapter 33 of this title.

(d) Report to State

Each local educational agency requesting assistance from the State educational agency that is to be provided from funds made available to the State under this chapter shall provide to the State, in the application requesting such assistance—

(1) an assurance that such local educational agency is in compliance with the State law required by subsection (b) of this section; and

(2) a description of the circumstances surrounding any expulsions imposed under the State law required by subsection (b) of this section, including—

(A) the name of the school concerned;

(B) the number of students expelled from such school; and

(C) the type of weapons concerned.

(e) Reporting

Each State shall report the information described in subsection (c) of this section to the Secretary on an annual basis.

(f) Report to Congress

Two years after October 20, 1994, the Secretary shall report to Congress if any State is not in compliance with the requirements of this subchapter.

(Pub. L. 89-10, title XIV, Sec. 14601, as added Pub. L. 103-382, title I, Sec. 101, Oct. 20, 1994, 108 Stat. 3907.)

Sec. 8922 Policy regarding criminal justice system referral

(a) In general

No funds shall be made available under this chapter to any local educational agency unless such agency has a policy requiring referral to the criminal justice or juvenile delinquency system of any student who brings a firearm or weapon to a school served by such agency.

(b) Definitions

For the purpose of this section, the terms "firearm" and "school" have the same meaning given to such terms by Sec. 921(a) of title 18.

(Pub. L. 89-10, title XIV, Sec. 14602, as added Pub. L. 103-382, title I, Sec. 101, Oct. 20, 1994, 108 Stat. 3908.)

Sec. 8923 Data and policy dissemination under IDEA

The Secretary shall—

(1) widely disseminate the policy of the Department in effect on October 20, 1994 with respect to disciplining children with disabilities;

(2) collect data on the incidence of children with disabilities (as such term is defined in Sec. 1401(a)(1) of this title) engaging in life threatening behavior or bringing weapons to schools; and

(3) submit a report to Congress not later than January 31, 1995, analyzing the strengths and problems with the current approaches regarding disciplining children with disabilities.

(Pub. L. 89-10, title XIV, Sec. 14603, as added Pub. L. 103-382, title I, Sec. 101, Oct. 20, 1994, 108 Stat. 3908.)

pullnshoot25 · Dec 28, 2009

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The gun registration thing in Clark County is only an issue if you are in the county over 60 days. At 60 days, you need to register your gun.

Fed GFSZ is real but never really enforced.

Nevada is a balls-out OC state.

The cops on the strip can bite me.

Streetbikerr6 · Dec 29, 2009

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Some casinos can even ban you. So it is up to you to LOC while in the casinos. I heard of a story once of someone being banned just for having a holster on with no gun as a statement.

pullnshoot25 · Dec 29, 2009

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Streetbikerr6 wrote:

Some casinos can even ban you. So it is up to you to LOC while in the casinos. I heard of a story once of someone being banned just for having a holster on with no gun as a statement.

No big loss really, its not like there isn't (aren't?) a 1,000,000 of them.

Sons of Liberty · Dec 29, 2009

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IAAUSC - Nowhere in the US Constitution can I find that the federal government has the authority to make laws which regulate the possession of firearms in or around schools. Article 1, section 8 gives that list of areas which the Constitution empowers US Congress.The Federal Gun-Free School Act is unconstitutional!

The Tenth Amendment states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

It's time we start asking the question to our federal government, "By whatAUTHORITY do you do these things!" And asking, not in just matters of gun law, but in all things they do without Constitutional authority!

wewd · Dec 29, 2009

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You can only be in violation of the Federal GFSZ law if you are selling a firearm inside the zone. Then and only then have you affected interstate commerce.

Streetbikerr6 · Dec 30, 2009

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pullnshoot25 wrote:

Streetbikerr6 wrote:

Some casinos can even ban you. So it is up to you to LOC while in the casinos. I heard of a story once of someone being banned just for having a holster on with no gun as a statement.

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No big loss really, its not like there isn't (aren't?) a 1,000,000 of them.

Well usually the casinos interact with a ban list and pictures. There are only about 7 worthy casinos in vegas you want to party at, and only like2casinos with worthy party pools. I couldn't stand being banned from any of them. Then again I am not the normal leisure guest. I rock out with my... out. The good clubs cost nearly $2000 a night for a good booth. ridculous but fun haha.

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