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    First I want to say hello to everyone. I am new to your forum and this is my first post. I have been reading through your site and discussions for about the last 7-8 days. As you can see I live in southeast Arkansas but work and travel extensively throughout LA. I do have a Arkansas CCW and have been carrying for about 10 years now. However, I ''prefer'' to open carry when possible. I am very familiar that LA is an open carry state. I have also carried openly in many places and stores throughout LA with no problems at all even while having friendly conversations with LEO's. So now you know a little about me I will get to my point. The night of Dec 16th 2009 I was traveling through Metaire and stopped at the best buy store. I had my Ruger 9mm in a kydex belt holster owb at the 430 position open carried with no jacket. (I have been in this store several times before with no incidents or questions). anyway, I walked in past the duty officer nodding and saying hello and went about my business. After about 30 minutes he walked by me while pushing a cart and picking up a few things himself. As he got close to me he smiled and asked what department I was with. At first I thought he was referring to which department of my company I worked for since it is a very large, well known and respected, company with several departments and since I was currently wearing a nice button up shirt with my companies logo on it. When I told him this he said ''oh so your not a law enforcement officer?'' I said no sir i am not. He then asked if I had a permit? To which i said yes sir i do. He then asked if it was for concealed weapon and i told him that yes It was. He then proceded to tell me that ''concealed means completely concealed'' and told me that I needed to return my gun to my vehicle please beacause it was illegal for me to carry my weapon unless completely concealed. At that time I told him It was my understanding from researching LA handgun laws that LA was a completely legal open carry state. He then told me that ''LA WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT AN OPEN CARRY STATE AND WAS HIGHLY ILLEGAL''. As I was on a short time frame and didnt have any legal documents on me I just told him that I would make sure and double checkthe lawsand advised him to do the same. As I was ready to check out I asked if It was ok for me to go ahead and check out and leave or if he was ordering me to leave and secure the weapon first and THEN come back in to check out. He told me it would be fine for me to go ahead and check out but just be sure to remember to keep my weapon concealed at all times or leave it in the vehicle from now on. He was very polite during all this as was I. However, it does dismay me that either he was completely and knowingly lieing to me, or else he really truly had absolutely no idea of what the true law is regarding handguns and open carry. Has anyone else had any problems like this in this area or store before? Is this still a very common problem in LA or is this just an isolated incident? any questions or comments?

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    Not really a comment but a suggestion to help all of us. If this happens again it's important we get some specific information.

    If possible, the name of the officer and the agency he is employed with. Also, whether he is there as part of a store security detail or if he was dispatched because of a Man With A Gun type complaint.

    This will help those of us who wish to contact that agency in hopes of educating the officer and the department he works for on the law and correct his misinformation. Once an agency and it's officers have been schooled in the laws which they are enforcing and we can prove that the were given this information then we can start building a case for harrassment and other violations by officers of that department when OCers are detained or given similar misinformation in the future.

    See where I'm going with this?

    Officer Joe Blow sees an OCer and tells him that concealed means concealed and there is no OC allowed in La. The OCer or a OC advocacy group such as LOCAL sends the training officer, the Chief and that particular officer a certified letter containing the facts of the legality of OC. They can learn from it or ignore it but they now know the law. They know that a repeat of this may open them up to a lawsuit against their department.

    All we are hoping for is that the LEOs who are out there on the streets are aware of the laws and stop working with false information.


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    You did great and handeled the situation well. Congrats and welcome to OCDO.
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    Thanks for the welcome and the quick response. The officer was there as security detail before I arrived. I walked right past him as I came in the door and we both smilled, nodded, and said hello. (some may think that is strange but i am from a small town in Arkansas where everybody always smiles and says hello or nodds or something when passing). Not sure weather or not he noticed my weapon at the time or only later when we passed again in the store. And since his entire approach was polie and friendly I assume there were no calls. Just his curiousity.

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    Does anyone happen to know what LEA does the detail at that best buy? I have been considering contacting the officer's agency to speak with his chief, sherriff, commanding officer, IA or whoever just to let them know about the false info i was given and find out if that is their normal procedure or if maybe the officer just needs some further training to educate him and maybe some of his other officer's on the subject of open carry, and the legal, civil and criminal consequences that could occur if they mishandle an open carry incident.

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    Welcome Dr Jack.

    Did the officer have large blue/white shield patches on the shoulders of his uniform? That would be Jefferson Parish Sheriffs Office.
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Him: "I carry my gun concealed"
    Me: "You're not very good at it"
    Him: "What do you mean?"
    Me: "I know you have a gun"
    End of conversation.

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    Yes I beleive he did. thank you. another question. Do yall think it would be better for me to contact his sherriff about this or maybe try to go speak to the officer personally next time I am in the area?...which will be in about 3 days?

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    Hey Dr. Jack,

    What time of night were you there? I need to go pick up a USB hub this week anyway, maybe I'll drop by that store instead of the one in Covington.

    I didn't think Best Buy had that type of security presence during the day. Or maybe it's just that location...

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    Between 6 and 7 PM

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    Thanks. I also found this very recent thread discussing Best Buy's policy:

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum65/35437-1.html

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    Thats great to know thanks. However I had a pretty good idea already that best buy's policy was pro-gun. I have open carried in many of them and cc in ones in my home state of arkansas. while inside the metaire best buy on previous visits (the incident in question was my 5th visit at that same store in under 2 months) i have had several employees and at least one manager make favorable comments about my holster, my gun, and also about how it made them feel safer that there was an armed and trained person with a weapon in case some ''crackhead'' came in to start shooting the place up like all the stuff you see on the news lately.....on a side note i have never had any problems with anyone in any of the multiple places I have carried in all over the state. walmarts, gas stations, restaraunts, grocery stores, bussinesses, att stores, you name it and i have probably carried in it with no problems....including all the malls in the state...and i have even chatted with, ate with, and walked by many LEO's that have ever made any comments other than friendly talk

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    DR JACK wrote:
    Thats great to know thanks. However I had a pretty good idea already that best buy's policy was pro-gun. I have open carried in many of them and cc in ones in my home state of arkansas. while inside the metaire best buy on previous visits (the incident in question was my 5th visit at that same store in under 2 months) i have had several employees and at least one manager make favorable comments about my holster, my gun, and also about how it made them feel safer that there was an armed and trained person with a weapon in case some ''crackhead'' came in to start shooting the place up like all the stuff you see on the news lately.....on a side note i have never had any problems with anyone in any of the multiple places I have carried in all over the state. walmarts, gas stations, restaraunts, grocery stores, bussinesses, att stores, you name it and i have probably carried in it with no problems....including all the malls in the state...and i have even chatted with, ate with, and walked by many LEO's that have ever made any comments other than friendly talk
    Brother, you must seriously look like a cop

    You've carried in malls with no problem? The only mall I've been to in a good while has a no firearms policy. (Esplanade mall inKenner).
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Him: "I carry my gun concealed"
    Me: "You're not very good at it"
    Him: "What do you mean?"
    Me: "I know you have a gun"
    End of conversation.

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    and settle out of court for some used motorcycles.... that teaches a lot!

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    as amatter of fact I guess I look as much like a cop as someone could get....lol.....shaved head....very super short goatee...trimmed to stubble....usually dressed in jeans and very nice button up shirts that are always starched and cowboy boots......I also have a nice attitude and have been told I just have a military bearing and look about me that has a look of authority......and im always nice and friendly......i am NOT an LEO but have worked with and around them many many times.....and have carried so long and been around firearms so much throughout my whole life that I am very comfortable with a firearm so I am and always appear very relaxed while wearing my handgun

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Continue to file federal civil rights lawsuits, suck as much $$$$ as possible out of the "system," make it HIGHLY visible, sooner than later, SOMEONE will catch on and put a stop to this asshattery being carried out by the "thin blue line."
    THIS !!!!

    you were victimized and deserve restitution and they deserve to be punished for their actions. The only punishment that reaches that high is money. Maybe if they had to pay out several hundred thousand, then they could not afford more fancy radar guns, phone taps, license plate cameras, and other high tech toys to snoop and prey on the true Americans.



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    That Duty Officer is an idiot... Open Carry in Louisiana is completely Legal.

    You should bring the incident to His employers attention. You should try to educate Him on Louisiana Law cocnerning Firearms.

    It is not against the RSA 14:95 to Open Carry..., just Concelaed Carry is regulated.

    Damn, I do not live in Louisiana and even I know that!

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    actually criminal charges CAN be filed against an officer. they have a protection of qualified immunity for most situations however they can be held accountable for clearly established gross misconduct....this was stated in the recent case in the court in new mexico

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    I have contacted the jpso sherriff and am waiting to hear back from him...this will give him a chance to see to the matter and the officer's education.....if he refuses to answer me or to properly handle this situation to my satisfaction then I will push it further up the line as far as i need to

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    DR JACK wrote:
    First I want to say hello to everyone. I am new to your forum and this is my first post. I have been reading through your site and discussions for about the last 7-8 days. As you can see I live in southeast Arkansas but work and travel extensively throughout LA. I do have a Arkansas CCW and have been carrying for about 10 years now. However, I ''prefer'' to open carry when possible. I am very familiar that LA is an open carry state. I have also carried openly in many places and stores throughout LA with no problems at all even while having friendly conversations with LEO's. So now you know a little about me I will get to my point. The night of Dec 16th 2009 I was traveling through Metaire and stopped at the best buy store. I had my Ruger 9mm in a kydex belt holster owb at the 430 position open carried with no jacket. (I have been in this store several times before with no incidents or questions). anyway, I walked in past the duty officer nodding and saying hello and went about my business. After about 30 minutes he walked by me while pushing a cart and picking up a few things himself. As he got close to me he smiled and asked what department I was with. At first I thought he was referring to which department of my company I worked for since it is a very large, well known and respected, company with several departments and since I was currently wearing a nice button up shirt with my companies logo on it. When I told him this he said ''oh so your not a law enforcement officer?'' I said no sir i am not. He then asked if I had a permit? To which i said yes sir i do. He then asked if it was for concealed weapon and i told him that yes It was. He then proceded to tell me that ''concealed means completely concealed'' and told me that I needed to return my gun to my vehicle please beacause it was illegal for me to carry my weapon unless completely concealed. At that time I told him It was my understanding from researching LA handgun laws that LA was a completely legal open carry state. He then told me that ''LA WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT AN OPEN CARRY STATE AND WAS HIGHLY ILLEGAL''. As I was on a short time frame and didnt have any legal documents on me I just told him that I would make sure and double checkthe lawsand advised him to do the same. As I was ready to check out I asked if It was ok for me to go ahead and check out and leave or if he was ordering me to leave and secure the weapon first and THEN come back in to check out. He told me it would be fine for me to go ahead and check out but just be sure to remember to keep my weapon concealed at all times or leave it in the vehicle from now on. He was very polite during all this as was I. However, it does dismay me that either he was completely and knowingly lieing to me, or else he really truly had absolutely no idea of what the true law is regarding handguns and open carry. Has anyone else had any problems like this in this area or store before? Is this still a very common problem in LA or is this just an isolated incident? any questions or comments?
    I was wondering if you could describe the guy. Did you happen to notice his rank?

    i occasionally go to that Best Buy, and I can definitely set him straight. i would love to see him try that with someone who knows the law better than him.

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    whoa whoa whoa......easy guys.....let me clarify a few points here.......the officer was very very cordial and polite during the whole encounter....at no time was he ever hostile or threatning at all.....until proven otherwise I would like to beleive that he ''maybe'' just didnt know any better....keep in mind that because of Katrina, and Rita alot of departments in those areas lost many officers and have a current shortage still and alot of the officers they do have are new with minimal training....for instance they have a certain exception that alot of the officers went through a very very basic orientation and then were thrown on the streets with the exception that they attend the real training within a year or two or ''as soon as personnel levels allow the time''.....so again it seems very likely to me that there is alot of officers out there that just dont know any better.....if we approach this subject and them with a hostile attitude then that will definetely just turn them against the open carry movement....however if we approach them as honorable, level headed, friendly citizens then they will be much more willing to listen to us and they will be more friendly toward our cause.....NOW....if it turns out THEY ARE AWARE of the law and just dont care and want to abuse their authority and push people around THEN it is time to push back and show them just what exactly their authority is and that they areNOT above the law....NOONE is above the law and EVERYONE answers to someone.....if a city officer's steps out of line then it is time for county or parish sherriff's to step in......if parish/county officer step out of line then you bring in the state officers.....if they step out of line then you bring in the federal officers and so forth.....see where I am going with this?.....also dont forget civil lawsuits and such......as i mentioned before I am giving this officers supervising sherriff a chance to handle this properly...if he doesnt then I WILL go up the chain as far as I need to until it is resolved to my satisfaction......and I DO have many friends in very high places of authority that I CAN and WILL take this to if I must........

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    whoa whoa whoa......easy guys.....let me clarify a few points here.......the officer was very very cordial and polite during the whole encounter....at no time was he ever hostile or threatning at all.....until proven otherwise I would like to beleive that he ''maybe'' just didnt know any better....keep in mind that because of Katrina, and Rita alot of departments in those areas lost many officers and have a current shortage still and alot of the officers they do have are new with minimal training....for instance they have a certain exception that alot of the officers went through a very very basic orientation and then were thrown on the streets with the exception that they attend the real training within a year or two or ''as soon as personnel levels allow the time''.....so again it seems very likely to me that there is alot of officers out there that just dont know any better.....if we approach this subject and them with a hostile attitude then that will definetely just turn them against the open carry movement....however if we approach them as honorable, level headed, friendly citizens then they will be much more willing to listen to us and they will be more friendly toward our cause.....NOW....if it turns out THEY ARE AWARE of the law and just dont care and want to abuse their authority and push people around THEN it is time to push back and show them just what exactly their authority is and that they areNOT above the law....NOONE is above the law and EVERYONE answers to someone.....if a city officer's steps out of line then it is time for county or parish sherriff's to step in......if parish/county officer step out of line then you bring in the state officers.....if they step out of line then you bring in the federal officers and so forth.....see where I am going with this?.....also dont forget civil lawsuits and such......as i mentioned before I am giving this officers supervising sherriff a chance to handle this properly...if he doesnt then I WILL go up the chain as far as I need to until it is resolved to my satisfaction......and I DO have many friends in very high places of authority that I CAN and WILL take this to if I must........
    Watch out Dr Jack! Taking a reasonable or conciliatory line when talking about LEO might just get you labled an AmeriKan by certain persons!
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Him: "I carry my gun concealed"
    Me: "You're not very good at it"
    Him: "What do you mean?"
    Me: "I know you have a gun"
    End of conversation.

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    whoa whoa whoa......easy guys.....let me clarify a few points here.......the officer was very very cordial and polite during the whole encounter....at no time was he ever hostile or threatning at all.....until proven otherwise I would like to beleive that he ''maybe'' just didnt know any better....keep in mind that because of Katrina, and Rita alot of departments in those areas lost many officers and have a current shortage still and alot of the officers they do have are new with minimal training....for instance they have a certain exception that alot of the officers went through a very very basic orientation and then were thrown on the streets with the exception that they attend the real training within a year or two or ''as soon as personnel levels allow the time''.....so again it seems very likely to me that there is alot of officers out there that just dont know any better.....if we approach this subject and them with a hostile attitude then that will definetely just turn them against the open carry movement....however if we approach them as honorable, level headed, friendly citizens then they will be much more willing to listen to us and they will be more friendly toward our cause.....NOW....if it turns out THEY ARE AWARE of the law and just dont care and want to abuse their authority and push people around THEN it is time to push back and show them just what exactly their authority is and that they areNOT above the law....NOONE is above the law and EVERYONE answers to someone.....if a city officer's steps out of line then it is time for county or parish sherriff's to step in......if parish/county officer step out of line then you bring in the state officers.....if they step out of line then you bring in the federal officers and so forth.....see where I am going with this?.....also dont forget civil lawsuits and such......as i mentioned before I am giving this officers supervising sherriff a chance to handle this properly...if he doesnt then I WILL go up the chain as far as I need to until it is resolved to my satisfaction......and I DO have many friends in very high places of authority that I CAN and WILL take this to if I must........
    Watch out Dr Jack! Taking a reasonable or conciliatory line when talking about LEO might just get you labled an AmeriKan by certain persons!
    So is it OK to trample on someone's rights as long as they are polite?

    :what:

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    TRAMPLE ON SOMEONE"S RIGHTS?????

    UHHHHMMMMM are you sure your on the same subject as we are? noone mentioned ''trampling'' violating or anything to do with someones rights.....there was no violations at this encounter....i wasnt arrested...i wasnt detained,,,,i wasnt interrogated......ONCE AGAIN...me and the officer had a nice friendly polite chat about this subject....I was polite and respectful and so was he.....well never mind....just reread the beggining post again please...i wont keep retyping the same thing

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Continue to file federal civil rights lawsuits, suck as much $$$$ as possible out of the "system," make it HIGHLY visible, sooner than later, SOMEONE will catch on and put a stop to this asshattery being carried out by the "thin blue line."
    how did we know that would come out of you mouth..

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    Sow hat would you recommend the victim do to teach them a lesson so that this does not happen to any of us?

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    TRAMPLE ON SOMEONE"S RIGHTS?????

    UHHHHMMMMM are you sure your on the same subject as we are? noone mentioned ''trampling'' violating or anything to do with someones rights.....there was no violations at this encounter....i wasnt arrested...i wasnt detained,,,,i wasnt interrogated......ONCE AGAIN...me and the officer had a nice friendly polite chat about this subject....I was polite and respectful and so was he.....well never mind....just reread the beggining post again please...i wont keep retyping the same thing
    You need to know that MEM and WWMD are the same person he had to make another name on here so someone would agree with him and his backwords way of promoting 2A rights.

    Most of us here think you handled it in the right way. Because you did it in a respectful way the LEO might just have went and looked it up or asked someone with more knowledge than himself.

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