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    Hello everyone! i am new to this forum and have a question for ya.



    I have been carrying my gun on my outside the waist hip holster or known as Open carry when i have been driving in my car. i have the clip loaded but no round in the chamber. i do not have a CCW (yet). is this legal for me? if not what is the best way? on my hip but no magazine in it?

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    In Idaho any visible carry is legal -

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    Why no round in the pipe? That is a Utah restriction.

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    I thought I saw that if you don't have a cwp then you can't carry a round in the camber.

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    Don't worry, there is no such law in Idaho. You can always carry loaded.

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    Agreed. You could carry a 1911 with the hammer back and safety off with one in the pipe and legally you would be OK.

    With that being said....If I saw you walking down the street like that I might have a serious one on one with you about safety.

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    You are good to OC in the car with one in the tube. In Washington you have to have a CPL to carry loaded in a car, even if it is open.

    SInce you are in Moscow, make the little drive to the Pullman PD station and get a WA CPL. It is good in ID where the ID permit is not good in WA. The folks at PPD are really nice and make the 10 minute process very easy. It takes 2-3 weeks on average for it to arrive in your mailbox.

    BTW, you coming to the meet tonight?

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    Vandal,

    How much is the WA Permit? What all do you have to take with you?

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    The WA CPL is $55.25(according to their website it might be more now) and all it takes is fingerprints and a background check. No class is needed. Just head over to the pullman PD office(address below), it takes about 30min to fill everything out and get printed. They do have a really cool digital printer so no crappy ink on your hands. Then it took me about 3 weeks to get my permit. The funny thing is it's just a piece of paper, no picture, no nothing it actually looks like it could be fake. lol I went and got mine lamenated so it doesn't get ruined by water or something.

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    So with the WA permit I don't need to take a class to get it? Like a basic pistol, or hunters saftey, ect? And can I get a WA cwp even if I'm not a resident of WA? Is the permit small? Like small enough to fit in my wallet?

    Sorry guys I won't be able to go to the dinner tonight. I have to work on Sundays. If we could have one on a Friday or Saturday then I could make it. Thanks for all the help you guys.

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    For a WA CPL no class is needed just the background check and fingerprints. As long as you live in a county that borders Washington you can get a WA CPL. I am not sure if that is completely correct or not but that is what I have heard, I could not find anything on their website that said anything about out-of-state permits. I have a Moscow address and they didn't have a problem with it. The permit if folded will fit in your wallet fairly easily. If you tri-fold it, it's about the size of a credit card. Hope this answers everything.

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    I wanted to thank you for the info on getting a WA CPL. I have received mine today in the mail about one month after i applied. I feel better about carrying in my car and everywhere i go.

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    Congratulations! Now you can leave your shotgun in the gun rack riding through WA .:celebrate:celebrate:celebrate

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    does it have to be holstered? I've heard of an "illegal transportation of firearm" charge if there's an unholstered loaded handgun or an unboxed unloaded handgun in the car. is there such a law in Idaho?

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    No, there is no such law in Idaho and you do not have to have a permit to openly carry a gun in your vehicle in Idaho either. It can be loaded and sitting on the passenger seat if you want.

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    Just remember it needs to be in plain sight. Also in Idaho there is no law saying you can conceal a rifle or shotgun so they do not count. They can be loaded and kept anywhere in plain sight or not, in a car or carrying it around town. I hope that made sense. KF if you can explain that better go for it.

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    I still want to do an OC event with rifles.

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    I voted for a BBQ in the park and we may want to tell Moscow PD first I dont feel like getting shot by a nervous cop.

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    Ehh, MPD wouldn't shoot any of us. Question our sanity perhaps but they wouldn't shoot. The two MPD officers I had the pleasure of talking to Monday were quite polite and we even talked handguns for a bit.

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    Louie86 wrote:
    I voted for a BBQ in the park and we may want to tell Moscow PD first I dont feel like getting shot by a nervous cop.
    In Oregon you can shoot back in self-defense. I wonder if that holds true here in Moscow as well.

    Vandal: What did you do to be graced with the presence of Moscow's.....finest?


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    kimberfella616 wrote:
    In Oregon you can shoot back in self-defense. I wonder if that holds true here in Moscow as well.
    I asked the same question while at the Ada County class for CWL. The answer was a resounding "yes" from both officers who spoke up. There really isn't much of a difference between when they or we can shoot, the same criteria apply. They may have other department standards to follow, or be held to more scrutiny (or less in some cases), but legally we're held accountable under the same rules. "Rodney King" won't happen here again, God willing; we're missing two criteria. California cops and someone to be racist against.

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    Having to live in a county that borders WA is just what they told me over at the Whitman County Sheriffs office. I guess they were wrong, wouldn't be the first time a sheriffs office employee somewhere didn't know the law.

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    kimberfella616 wrote:
    Louie86 wrote:
    I voted for a BBQ in the park and we may want to tell Moscow PD first I dont feel like getting shot by a nervous cop.
    In Oregon you can shoot back in self-defense.* I wonder if that holds true here in Moscow as well.*

    Vandal:* What did you do to be graced with the presence of Moscow's.....finest?
    The Oregon law is only valid in Oregon under very specific circumstances and any action by the suspect to "defend" himself will most likely be taken as further resistance. It was designed to keep the cops over there in line, but the first time its tried in court I will guarantee the cops will win.

    As for me, I was escorted out of Safeway Monday evening about 1750 hrs by two Officers after a "manager" called in an MWAG. They arrived, we chatted, made fun of Safeway for violating my rights, talked guns and they made sure that I safely made it to my car There is a thread about it just below this one. The officers knew that I was legal, but the "manager" wanted them to escort me out because another customer complained.

    I am going back today or tomorrow to chat with the store manager about the issue and how I was a customer too and how what happened to me is now on the web for the world to see.

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    NavyLT wrote:
    Why would a CPL be required for that in Washington? Do you mean leave your loaded shotgun in the gun rack? That is still illegal in Washington, with or without a CPL:

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.460

    RCW 77.15.460
    Loaded firearm in vehicle — Unlawful use or possession — Penalty.


    (1) A person is guilty of unlawful possession of a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle if:

    (a) The person carries, transports, conveys, possesses, or controls a rifle or shotgun in or on a motor vehicle; and

    (b) The rifle or shotgun contains shells or cartridges in the magazine or chamber, or is a muzzle-loading firearm that is loaded and capped or primed.

    (2) A person is guilty of unlawful use of a loaded firearm if the person negligently shoots a firearm from, across, or along the maintained portion of a public highway.

    (3) Unlawful possession of a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle or unlawful use of a loaded firearm is a misdemeanor.

    (4) This section does not apply if the person:

    (a) Is a law enforcement officer who is authorized to carry a firearm and is on duty within the officer's respective jurisdiction;

    (b) Possesses a disabled hunter's permit as provided by RCW 77.32.237 and complies with all rules of the department concerning hunting by persons with disabilities.

    (5) For purposes of this section, a firearm shall not be considered loaded if the detachable clip or magazine is not inserted in or attached to the firearm.
    I stand corrected. It was my impression that firearms must be transported in a locked, inaccessible container while in a vehicle unless you had a WA CPL.

    I guess I will just have to stay on this side of the border more often.

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    I'm tired of having to have a law degree to figure out what to do. I'm headed to Galt's Gulch. Anyone care to join?

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