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    Security guard today just tried to physically dis-arm me. Grabbed my right arm with his left hand and attempted to grab my pistol grip with his right. Elbow to the face and a back step rear kick/shin scrape to his right knee/shin...turned and hit him with a full body roundhouse punch. Knocked his a$$ out cold. Because the cops were called I can't give full details until everything is settled but it was at a big box store

    I knew he was there but he never said a word just walked right up and tried it.
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    Freaking "security guards"! (sigh)

    They need a license in most cases, but it doesn't necessarily mean they know crap about the job they are suppose to be doing. I can talk, I WAS one way back when, but I was a far different breed from a "mall cop".

    The witnesses this guy has are going to save his bacon. The SG got what he deserved for a Rambo BS stunt like that, but I think the guy should still press charges.

    I have seen entire security firms be fired from a contract for similar "beyond authority" actions of a single security guard. Incidents like these don't reflect well on the security firms who are suppose to be training these guys.

    A a minimum, this security guard is probably looking at a long investigation and riding a desk at reduced pay, if not termination.

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    what if the gaurd was large enough to overtake him, would that have been cause to draw on him, how many times do you actually have to get hit before you can draw. is there a rule on how much blood you have to lose? What if he would have pistol whipped the gaurd?
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    amzbrady wrote:
    what if the gaurd was large enough to overtake him, would that have been cause to draw on him, how many times do you actually have to get hit before you can draw. is there a rule on how much blood you have to lose? What if he would have pistol whipped the gaurd?
    Dunno about GA, but the law here states you can use force to prevent a felony. Theft of a firearm is a felony. And I think it'd be reasonable to assume anyone who tries to gain control of your weapon constitutes a threat to your life, there by justifying drawing on them. If something similar happened to me, whether the fool managed to get my gun or not he'd end up looking down the barrel of my wife's gun.
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    Metalhead47 wrote:
    amzbrady wrote:
    what if the gaurd was large enough to overtake him, would that have been cause to draw on him, how many times do you actually have to get hit before you can draw. is there a rule on how much blood you have to lose? What if he would have pistol whipped the gaurd?
    Dunno about GA, but the law here states you can use force to prevent a felony. Theft of a firearm is a felony. And I think it'd be reasonable to assume anyone who tries to gain control of your weapon constitutes a threat to your life, there by justifying drawing on them. If something similar happened to me, whether the fool managed to get my gun or not he'd end up looking down the barrel of my wife's gun.
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    There is video of the ninja like take down. Maybe we'll get to see it in 6 months when the dust settles.

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    As a security supervisor I don't even know where to begin on this one...

    I always make it a point to see that people who believe their authority is greater then any normal citizen don't stay on my site long.

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    David.Car wrote:
    As a security supervisor I don't even know where to begin on this one...

    I always make it a point to see that people who believe their authority is greater then any normal citizen don't stay on my site long.
    Sounds like you've got your sh!t wired tight out there. Good job!
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    This reiterates the need for locking type holsters when open carrying. I would have done the same thing, no matter how large the guy if he tries to grab my weapon his attention is focused and he's going down.

    FMCHD you do mean the gun carrier should press charges right?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    This reiterates the need for locking type holsters when open carrying. I would have done the same thing, no matter how large the guy if he tries to grab my weapon his attention is focused and he's going down.

    FMCHD you do mean the gun carrier should press charges right?
    I think this guy said he had a retention holster but I didn't recognize the brand so I may be wrong. I'm a noob when it comes to that sort of thing.
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    gsx1138 wrote:
    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    This reiterates the need for locking type holsters when open carrying. I would have done the same thing, no matter how large the guy if he tries to grab my weapon his attention is focused and he's going down.

    FMCHD you do mean the gun carrier should press charges right?
    I think this guy said he had a retention holster but I didn't recognize the brand so I may be wrong.* I'm a noob when it comes to that sort of thing.
    He said he had it in a Galco 3slot which is a plain leather holster with a thumb break and a tension screw.
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    joeroket wrote:
    gsx1138 wrote:
    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    This reiterates the need for locking type holsters when open carrying. I would have done the same thing, no matter how large the guy if he tries to grab my weapon his attention is focused and he's going down.

    FMCHD you do mean the gun carrier should press charges right?
    I think this guy said he had a retention holster but I didn't recognize the brand so I may be wrong. I'm a noob when it comes to that sort of thing.
    He said he had it in a Galco 3slot which is a plain leather holster with a thumb break and a tension screw.
    Sorry, you're speaking Greek to me.

    I carry my XD in a Serpa. That's the extent of my holster knowledge. Well, I also have a Crossbreed Supertuck. Is a thumb break where you have a snap that needs to be opened with your thumb before you can draw?
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    Well, I think that answers the old cop question about whether OCers are ready for a gun-grab.
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    gsx1138 wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    gsx1138 wrote:
    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    This reiterates the need for locking type holsters when open carrying. I would have done the same thing, no matter how large the guy if he tries to grab my weapon his attention is focused and he's going down.

    FMCHD you do mean the gun carrier should press charges right?
    I think this guy said he had a retention holster but I didn't recognize the brand so I may be wrong.* I'm a noob when it comes to that sort of thing.
    He said he had it in a Galco 3slot which is a plain leather holster with a thumb break and a tension screw.
    Sorry, you're speaking Greek to me.**

    I carry my XD in a Serpa.* That's the extent of my holster knowledge.* Well, I also have a Crossbreed Supertuck.* Is a thumb break where you have a snap that needs to be opened with your thumb before you can draw?
    That is exactly what a thumb break is. Here is the manufacture sight for the Galco 3 slot, they are nice holsters and do hold the firearm snug but they have no mechanical retention at all. I have owned 3 of them in the past 10 years.

    http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterPT3.as...95&CatalogID=4
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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    This reiterates the need for locking type holsters when open carrying. I would have done the same thing, no matter how large the guy if he tries to grab my weapon his attention is focused and he's going down.

    FMCHD you do mean the gun carrier should press charges right?
    O, abso-freaking-lutely

    Sorry if my pure disdain for the actions of the security guard were not clear.

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    FMCDH I thught so I just had to read it twice and wanted to make sure.

    Just to clarify I wasn't debating the fact if the open carrier had a serpa holster, just makes me glad I do. And would encourage all open carriers to do so. But thats just my opinion.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    FMCDH I thught so I just had to read it twice and wanted to make sure.

    Just to clarify I wasn't debating the fact if the open carrier had a serpa holster, just makes me glad I do. And would encourage all open carriers to do so. But thats just my opinion.
    Sure, just try finding a SERPA holster for Hi-Point. Or a Tanfoglio for that matter.:quirky
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    They didn't figure many would carry those in a holster.....lol.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    They didn't figure many would carry those in a holster.....lol.
    Well yes, some sort of hydraulic weight-bearing, articulating exoskeleton would be more comfortable, but they don't make those either.
    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

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    Metalhead47 wrote:
    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    They didn't figure many would carry those in a holster.....lol.
    Well yes, some sort of hydraulic weight-bearing, articulating exoskeleton would be more comfortable, but they don't make those either.
    Black and Decker nylon tool belts are on sale at Home Depot for 29.99 I hear.

    Full trigger cover, and even a retention strap is included! :P

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    Just got a call from my lawyer. After reviewing the video there will be no charges filed against me.(My lawyer is a good friend of one of the ADA's so they went over it this morning and the ADA said it was a clear case of self defense/protection of a firearm and blew off the idea of charging me) The security guard and store both declined yesterday and I was asked if I wished to press battery charges against the guy and declined at my lawyers advice. ( After all I am not the one laying in the hospital right now with a broken nose, fractured jaw and torn meniscus) My lawyer wanted to close this ASAP and the evidence is pretty damning for the guard. I was told to NOT name the store or guard or witnesses. My lawyer will retain a copy of the video but (at least for now) it will NOT be allowed to be posted.

    The civil side is a different story and that will be investigated.

    What did I learn...:
    Be prepared!
    Do ONLY what you have to and not one bit more
    Be respectful and answer PERTINENT questions the officers ask
    Have a GOOD lawyer who already knows you and your personality

    Do NOT get mad or take the cops questions personally. I was still shaking and pissed off but I remembered what Legacy said about them NEEDING all the facts and versions to make a judgement call. They just wanted my version of the facts and me being calm gave me better credibility. I WAS dis-armed while questioned but because I remained calm and spoke clearly and calmly and the witnesses backed my version of events I was actually handed my still loaded weapon back and told to go home and chill out.

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    This is going to be one of the most entertaining videos out there if the story holds to be true.

    Great post Swat!

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    Great advice!! Thanks for sharing!

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    FMCDH wrote:
    Metalhead47 wrote:
    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    They didn't figure many would carry those in a holster.....lol.
    Well yes, some sort of hydraulic weight-bearing, articulating exoskeleton would be more comfortable, but they don't make those either.
    Black and Decker nylon tool belts are on sale at Home Depot for 29.99 I hear.

    Full trigger cover, and even a retention strap is included! :P
    I avoid Home Despot. They're not OC friendly
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    Metalhead47 wrote:
    I avoid Home Despot. They're not OC friendly
    Never had a problem at the two Spokane locations.

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