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    At 2031 on 29 December 2009, I was at Northridge Mall in Salinas. I had been there for about an hour and a half this time. On the way out, while in Macy’s, I noticed 3 Salinas Police Officers approaching me. One of them had an AR-15. They were unusually relaxed in their posture, but I’m certain that if it popped off, there would have been a different story. Their names are Officers Parsons, Robinson, and Cruz. I have two bags in my hands, and am patiently waiting for her to be finished in line. Here is how it went:

    Officer Parsons: “Sir, would you mind coming over here for a moment?”

    Me: “Sure.”

    Parsons: “Do you have your credentials with you?”

    Me: “ No, I have my Drivers License. Would you like to see it?”

    Parsons: “Yeah, that’ll be fine.”

    Robinson: “Are you active Law Enforcement?”

    Me: “No, I am former Federal Police.”

    Me to Parsons: “It’s in my left rear pocket.”

    Parsons: “We’re here for you man, we’ve got all the time you need.”

    I hand him the I.D. which he takes and begins to run it. I ask Robinson if she’d like to 12031(e) me at this time. She says to Cruz “I knew that was next.”

    Parsons: “Yeah, this is what they were talking about in that class.”

    They stood there and shot the breeze with me and didn’t check the weapon until the on-duty Security Manager arrived. This person, who was clearly devoid of any knowledge of the law asks that if I'm not an LEO, are they (the mall) going to be allowed to confiscate my firearm. Parsons looked directly at him and said

    "No, he has done nothing wrong."

    They even tried to decide which direction they should clear it in; toward the mannequins or at the floor. I offered the weapon to them, and Parsons retrieved it from the holster.

    Parsons: “You can tell just by the weight he’s clear.”

    I had to instruct him on how to release the magazine, after which he did, and then checked the chamber. He handed me the weapon and the magazine and told me I was okay to reholster. It seemed as though we were done here. Security was a bunch of bumbling fools, and when some woman came out to me in plain clothes with a kid, I didn’t know what to do. A child?! On a weapons call? Well alrighty then. She told me that I was going to be banned from the mall for a year. I asked her why and you will not BELIEVE what she said. At no time did the Police leave during this conversation.

    Medina: “I just need you to know that you are going to be banned from the mall for a year.”

    Me: “Why is that?”

    Medina: “because you have a weapon of any kind and our code of conduct placed at the doors (which I never saw) says that we do not allow weapons of any kind.”

    Me: “So the fact that you saw me and the Police are here and don’t seem to have any problem with it tells you that I don’t have the right to shop here?”

    AND THEN THE BOMBSHELL

    Medina: “Well sir, this is the third or fourth time we’ve seen you on the property with that gun. People are scared.”

    Me: “First of all, if people were scared, then I would have been met by the Police long before this. Second, if you’d seen me before, what was the problem with approaching me? How many Security Officers did you have at the mall at those times?”

    Medina: “Five or six.”

    Me: “And five or six of you couldn’t just approach me and speak to me? At which point during your camera surveillance did you decide I was a threat? While minding my own business? Carrying a bag? Sitting down and not speaking to anyone?”

    She did not answer the question. I have the card of the general manager and will go to see him in the morning bright and early. I was even threatened with arrest for trespass if I returned. They took my photo for a BOL. I will be back in the morning to let that manager know the what-for.

    Note: Salinas Police Department was a class act during this entire occurrence. The Officers told me before we parted ways that they understood why I carried, but being in this city, it can go right or wrong, and the BG's may fire on me...and just to be safe.


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    Is that mall a Westfield property by any chance?

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    I'll add that mall to my boycott list.

    You should post the contact information for the mall manager. I'll call and complain.

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    yelohamr wrote:
    Is that mall a Westfield property by any chance?
    No, it is a Macerich property.
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    onedavetoomany wrote:
    I'll add that mall to my boycott list.

    You should post the contact information to the mall manager. I'll call and complain.
    Northridge Mall
    796 Northridge Mall
    Salinas, CA 93906


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    P: (831)449-7227
    F: (831)449-6756

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    I have to admit I didn't know what you meant at first, right when I was getting ready to post it, I saw what's right above my head now. Thank you.

    The Manager's name is Rob Robinson, and his email is rob.robinson@macerich.com
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    As before, OPS MARINE handled himself well, but its going to be difficult to sway the property owner or management with our combined outrage.

    The problem is that as gunowners in California, we are already a minority- worse yet,open carriersare a minority, even among gunowners. The mall is looking at the bottom line- it is less expensive for them to boot out one person than to try to assuage the other 99.9999991 % of the public to make sure those customers come back with their money. In order for this to be effective, the mall would really have to be hit in the pocket book. 5 or 10 letter isnt going to do it. I dont know if it would be any more effective to appeal to the merchants that lease the property in the mall, but Im sure if the mall had 10 or 20% of their tenants drop out they would take notice. But again... unlikely.
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    Email sent:

    Mr. Robinson,

    I learned today that a friend of mine was banned from Northridge Mall in Salinas because he was lawfully carrying a firearm. While it is entirely within Macerich's rights to ban whomever they choose from their property, such actions do carry repercussions. I will cease spending money at any Macerich malls until such lawful activity is allowed at your company's properties.

    I'll be contacting corporate by phone regarding this matter as well.

    Thanks,
    <name>

    Corporate's number is: (310) 394-6000
    Their public relations number (which is in Arizona) is: (602) 953-6550

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    Well tomorrow, when I go back, I am going to pose the same questions to the manager that I posed to that female. I will have the conversation that I had with the police printed for him to read. He will take note that the police did not confiscate my firearm. He will watch the surveillance footage of this incident and every other time I was at his mall. He will see that I am not and was not a threat. I will make him see this with my calm but sure demeanor. If they still decide to ban me, I don't think I care at this point, but I won't be a victim of the streets or this mall. I will ask him to lift the ban because it is ridiculous and late in coming. He either will or he won't.
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    bigtoe416 wrote:
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    Mr. Robinson,

    I learned today that a friend of mine was banned from Northridge Mall in Salinas because he was lawfully carrying a firearm. While it is entirely within Macerich's rights to ban whomever they choose from their property, such actions do carry repercussions. I will cease spending money at any Macerich malls until such lawful activity is allowed at your company's properties.

    I'll be contacting corporate by phone regarding this matter as well.

    Thanks,
    <name>

    Corporate's number is: (310) 394-6000
    Their public relations number (which is in Arizona) is: (602) 953-6550
    I really appreciate that. Thank you.
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    SomeGuyInCali wrote:
    onedavetoomany wrote:
    I'll add that mall to my boycott list.

    You should post the contact information to the mall manager. I'll call and complain.
    Northridge Mall
    796 Northridge Mall
    Salinas, CA 93906


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    P: (831)449-7227
    F: (831)449-6756
    Thank you for posting that.
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    ConditionThree wrote:
    As before, OPS MARINE handled himself well, but its going to be difficult to sway the property owner or management with our combined outrage.
    It may be difficult, Condition Three, but if we don't become outraged, no one will do it for us. I plan fully to go and give this manager a piece of my mind and hand him the penal code that says "Yes it's Legal." He will know, before I leave his presence, that I will not back down.

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    wow this lady sounds like such a fool. She must watch too much t.v.... omg a gun it must be a bad guy! What the hell is she thinking?? Mall shootings are a reality, the only thing that stops mall shootings are citizens with guns. Most mall shootings end in a CCW citizen ignoring the GFZ and taking down the BGor the BG killing himself after killing many. Sadly reality may face her someday..

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    Well tomorrow, when I go back, I am going to pose the same questions to the manager that I posed to that female.
    You can't go back. YOU'VE BEEN BANNED!


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    I wouldn't go in. I would call them. I've been "banned" From 2 places and phone calls got me unbanned.
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    I wasn't OCing at the time, but I've been thrown out of better places.

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    The subject line had me really confused for a second...we have a Northridge mall doen here in SoCal too. I've OCd there at least a dozen times with no reprocussions so far.

    It sounds like you handled yourself excellently! My only monday morning critique would be to leverage that nice interaction to intercede the point that they aren't required to e-check you.

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    Statkowski wrote:
    Well tomorrow, when I go back, I am going to pose the same questions to the manager that I posed to that female.
    You can't go back. YOU'VE BEEN BANNED!
    Agreed. If you return, its entirely possible that they will tresspass you.
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    Streetbikerr6 wrote: snip
    Sadly reality may face her someday..
    Yes, sadly it may. There have already been shootings at that mall.
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    McX wrote:
    for what it's worth, you may be banned there, but you are welcome here.
    Thank you very much. I appreciate that, and I do feel the love...from all of you.
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    There have already been shootings at that mall.
    But how can that be? I mean, after all, their Code of Conduct prohibits such activities.


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    Here is the update:

    I went there and made an attempt to meet with Rob Robinson. I was made to wait for thirty minutes because his office was in a different place than was described to me last night.

    When a security officer called him to let him know I was there, he had no idea who I was. This is probably due to the fact that the paperwork was completely botched as if written by a fifth grader. My name was even incorrect, and this idiot had my Drivers License.

    He shook my hand, and greeted me, and I said "May I see you in your office?"

    Robinson: "Why don't we all just go into the Property Manager's office?"

    I thought that was funny. Was he frightened? Unable to handle the situation on his own? Weary of a bodybuilder with a gun?

    I was ready to go in with guns blazing (no pun intended) and let them know they were messing with the wrong guy in as much tasteful a manner as I could. Robinson didn't say much, leading me to the conclusion that he really wasn't in the loop. I handed him the Security Trespass report that I had corrected six times with a red pen and told him I didn't think it would hold because it was completely incorrect.

    I handed Don Bentz (Property manager) the Penal Code which allows me to carry. He handed it back and told me rather politely that he was not a lawyer and did not wish to engage me in an argument about the RKBA. In his words, I looked too prepared to let him win. He asked me to tell him what happened. I read the entire transcript from what I posted here last night, and both of their jaws dropped.

    He (Don Bentz) apologized and pretty much directed that the BOL be removed and the Trespass Order revoked...immediately...and he was not kidding.

    I told them about Medina's attitude, and that seemed to get their fire going. Now, they were turning and looking internally at the problem and not focusing on me.

    When the conversation cooled down a little, Don Bentz told me about 2 of his sons having joined the Marines, so he understood the mentality of preparation. He then wanted to backtrack and see if we were okay. I think he just wanted to be sure he wasn't going to be sued, but he was very friendly at 0830. He assured me that the BOL would be garbage within the next ten minutes.

    I told him that if I do return, I will be armed when I step out of my truck, and before I get back in it, so the weapon will still be on his property. I may even carry it in a locked case with me. He said that was fine, and there would be no issues from his staff.

    We shook hands, I walked out and placed my weapon back in the holster, almost assuredly on camera.
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    Statkowski wrote:
    There have already been shootings at that mall.
    But how can that be? I mean, after all, their Code of Conduct prohibits such activities.
    I know, right?
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    That's great! Now I'll have to write another email...

    Edit:

    I realize that you probably didn't even receive this message prior to meeting with my friend this morning, but I want to thank you for your handling of this situation. I feel that you and Mr. Bentz have excellent judgment and are willing to address problems based on rational decision making. The open carry community appreciates your handling of this matter.

    I'll be contacting corporate to express my gratitude over both of your excellent work.

    Thanks again,
    <name>

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