Odd Coincidence

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I did think about it maybe being called in on the non-emergency number and maybe a squad was sent out outside the log system. Who knows exactly what appears on the log system anyway. It's not like I would know if they regularly pull things from it.

I have thousands of hours of video of that very cam perspective and while I don't sit and watch it, I can't say I ever recall a squad sitting right there. If I would have had any balls, I would have walked outside and pulled my car in front of my house and see if he would have anything to say.

I'll never know for sure either way.

I have a friend and a great uncle who are both officers in my city and I've dealt with many good Leo. But as I've said before, there are also bad ones, and they're not wearing signs saying so. But the real worrisome part is that I personally have never seen a good Leo stand up to a bad Leo and say no, this isn't going to happen. I've experienced them say they didn't see anything and I've seen them leave because they wanted no part in it. But they didn't stop it.

And I've always had better experiences with older, more seasoned Leos than younger ones. The older guys seem to know what life is about. The younger ones too often seem to think they're living out a movie role. They like the guns, the cars, the authority, the lights, the excitement, etc.

I find it best to stay clear of Leo whenever possible.

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Glock34 wrote:

that fact that his potential call to your home not showing up on the online 911 dispatch means nothing, maybe he was dispatched via mdt ( mobile data terminal ) or cell phone ?  did you have the AR15 slung in the low ready position ?

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uh, no. If they want my XD45 that badly, they can take it and we'll sort it out in court...

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thelongone13 wrote:

The police aren't the real issue. It's the prosecutors that they have to turn all statements and evidence in to...

Most police officers I know happen to be for citizens arming themselves for protection. Sure, there's ones out there that see themselves as the sole means of protection for the sheep, and those officers can create issues for people who want to defend themselves from evil on their own...

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Almost any conviction requires three hurdles. First being that a cop must stop/question you and arrests/cites you (or forwards the info to the DA as you mention). Second being DA reviews it and decides to charge. Third being you're found guilty by jury or judge (or you bypass verdict and plead guilty).

At any of those stages, conviction can be halted. The very best stage is to avoid contact with Leo to begin with. That is the stage you (generally) have the most control over. You never want to have to rely on the last stage if you can help it. By then, you've already passed two stages that felt they could get a conviction, which means you likely don't have overwhelming evidence in your favor. It's more of a crap-shoot than anything.

Which is why many people make a deal at the DA stage and plea bargain some sort of deal.

And some people think by talking to Leo they can talk they're way out of passing the first stage. And no doubt some do succeed. But for everyone else, they just gave the State all the evidence they need to get you to the last stage.

So again, the best way to avoid conviction on something is to avoid Leo.

Oh, and you don't actually have to be guilty of something to be convicted of it. There has been more than one case I know of where a guy was stopped for traffic offenses, Leo thought he resembled a rapist they were looking for, victim id'd him (I'm sure in good conscience), he was convicted and imprisoned. Luckily DNA later overturned the conviction (and I know at least one case they not only released the person but they also found who did do the rape). I can find and cite if anyone doubts me, but it might take some time.

Again, lesson is to avoid contact with Leo if you can help it. My 2 cents and my modus operandi.

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As I posted on another thread:

Rule #1: Don't talk to police.

Rule #2: At the point where you feel/think you have to talk to the police .......... See Rule #1

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I went back and watched the the vid from the time he arrived until he left. My best guess is he was reading the newspaper based on movement made against the passenger window.

Edited version (nothing happens in between):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpwUtXccA98

If he was sent, he didn't really care as he never exited the vehicle. But I think he was just on break.

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bnhcomputing wrote:

As I posted on another thread:

Rule #1:     Don't talk to police.

Rule #2:     At the point where you feel/think you have to talk to the police .......... See Rule #1

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And I would just add to this for those of you who are confident you are carrying in a completely legal manner. Remember that when a Leo stops you for a taillight out, he doesn't care so much about the light as he does about finding out if you have drugs, are drinking, have a warrant etc. Same goes for any time you think you're having a good old conversation with Leo. You may inadvertently say something, either admitting to some violation or giving probably cause for a search, etc.

I see no upside to having a discourse with them. I may be an a-hole for it but better men than me have been snared.

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Like speeding tailgaters, I let 'em around, expecting the cop to be busy with them as I speed past at my own rate (no traffic citations since 1977). It's not being a rectum, it is being considerate of the foolish.

Better thee than me.

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gollbladder13 wrote:

thelongone13 wrote:

Glock34 wrote:

thelongone13 wrote:

I guess I'm just not worried. No offense, maybe some of you have seen something I haven't, I just have other things that I need to worry about.

You MAY be on to something though... Apparently the local cops are the reason I had to change the venue for Packing Heat for the Hungry...

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that does not shock me, most local cops are pricks & enjoy causing "panic" (( hey mr. store manager, we the police suggest that you not have this event at your store, it might cause panic with the unarmed shoppers ))

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If this is, in fact, true, I would be curious as to whether it was just an officer, of the chief. That being said, if the original store didn't have a problem to begin with, they shouldn't have in the end.

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Well, guess what. Apparently someone fed me a line about the police advising them not to do it. The cops had nothing to do with this. I spoke with an officer, and apparently the lady at Piggly Wiggly was using the police as a scapegoat. I am VERY sorry for spreading misinformation, even if it was posed as the truth to me. Thanks for understanding.

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gbu28 wrote:

thelongone13 wrote:

The police aren't the real issue. It's the prosecutors that they have to turn all statements and evidence in to...

Most police officers I know happen to be for citizens arming themselves for protection. Sure, there's ones out there that see themselves as the sole means of protection for the sheep, and those officers can create issues for people who want to defend themselves from evil on their own...

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Oh, and you don't actually have to be guilty of something to be convicted of it.

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Seen that happen to some people. Apparently if the District Attorney doesn't like you, he can MAKE you guilty... Just saying... Corruption in some circles knows no bounds. Stay the hell out of Chicago if you know what I mean... All this talk about bad law enforcement, I would have to say Chicago would be the most likely place to find them...

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Chicago has 15,000 cops for a population of 3,000,000 = 0.05%

My Town has 2 cops for 700 for 0.2%

I wonder how many Candon had in addition to Tyler Peterson?

Yes, I can't see past the 'wall of blue', as is often their intention.

Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA KMA$$ God damn the Obamination and it's thrant's teeth.

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Master Doug Huffman wrote:

Like speeding tailgaters, I let 'em around, expecting the cop to be busy with them as I speed past at my own rate (no traffic citations since 1977).  It's not being a rectum, it is being considerate of the foolish.

Better thee than me.

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That's where we part company.

It may be counterintuitive but I'm not a defensive driver, I'm an aggressive driver. Few people will pass me on any given day. I find that if I'm moving faster than traffic, I can spend 90% of my focus on what's between 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock, with 10% focus just making sure nobody rear ends me.

If I'm driving with traffic or less, I'm constantly getting in near collisions with dumb azz drivers who are yapping on the phone, texting, eating, or just otherwise being stupid. So that means I have to focus not only in front but sides and rear as well.

I have two cameras I use when riding my bike and a bunch of video of nearly being hit, almost all when I'm riding with traffic.

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thelongone13 wrote:

gbu28 wrote:

thelongone13 wrote:

The police aren't the real issue. It's the prosecutors that they have to turn all statements and evidence in to...

Most police officers I know happen to be for citizens arming themselves for protection. Sure, there's ones out there that see themselves as the sole means of protection for the sheep, and those officers can create issues for people who want to defend themselves from evil on their own...

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Oh, and you don't actually have to be guilty of something to be convicted of it.

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Seen that happen to some people. Apparently if the District Attorney doesn't like you, he can MAKE you guilty... Just saying... Corruption in some circles knows no bounds. Stay the hell out of Chicago if you know what I mean... All this talk about bad law enforcement, I would have to say Chicago would be the most likely place to find them...

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I concur. The good news is you'll have the opportunity to squelch the bad Leo's behavior in a few years, if I understand your intentions correctly.

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if it happens again in the near future it's no coincidence.

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There are old drivers and there are bold drivers, but there are few old bold drivers.

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Best thing I've found to prevent bad encounters with LEO is don't be doing stuff they can light you up for. Like speeding, running red lights, failing to give a turn signal, etc.

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My kid brother is a retired cop. He spent 25 years as a city cop, county mountie and a city detective. He said being a "blue shirt" is a good job if you don't mind spending 90% of your duty time doing 10-27, 10-28, 10-11, 10-16, parade duty, funeral escort and writing reports. Out of frustration when you did get a call like 10-32 the adrenalin sometimes took over common sense.

10-11 Dog complaint. 10-16 Domestic disturbance, 10-27 Driver license check, 10-28 Vehicle license check. 10-32 Man with a gun.

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10-4.