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    Alright, guys I know I've been on here for a while... always chiming in with some input or opinion or sharing with you the stories of getting city municipal codes changed (check my other posts). However, I've never open carried... not once!

    I've always been afraid because of my manner of dress and appearance, that I may have a lot more to deal with from LEOs than any of you. People tend to judge by appearance, which is very sad to say. It's not easy for some folks to see a guy with tattoos and piercings who is a lawful gun owner and advocate of our constitutional rights to protection. So I'm going into this a bit nervous, but markedly more confident than before.

    The posts on here along with seeing other folks in my town open-carrying has given me a new level of confidence to uphold my right to open carry. I was mailed some pamphlets by "heresolong" that I will be carrying on my person in my messenger bag.

    Another reason I've decided to open carry is because of my previous holster which was a Sidekick inside the pants holster. I always carried it behind my back, which isn't an ideal place to carry. It's fairly inaccessible and has recently been irritating the skin and giving me callouses where it is carried.

    Today I picked up a Blackhawk nylon ambidextrous multi-use hip holster that has retention and a magazine pouch. I'm excited about the opportunity to share with others the information about the legal responsibility and the benefits of open carry. I'm also nervous about potential negative responses by citizens and LEO, but I don't want to let that deter me from my rights. Only criminals should feel scared about carrying a gun and I'm definitely not a criminal.

    I just wanted to thank you all for the information and support on this website and I will in the future be sharing with you stories about my adventures. I'm hoping every experience will be positive and I'm hoping I never have to add anyone to the DNP list of businesses.

    Thanks again guys!

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    You ar in Wenatchee area right? See if someone is close to you and meet for coffee or lunch or something, if you are nervous it's good to be comfortable in public so folks don't see you as that twitchy nervous guy with a gun.

    If not be safe, be aware and be smart. Good luck. I carry openly just about everywhere I go.
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    I'm just going to go to the park and maybe walk around a bit on normal roads. I'm willing to meet anyone for coffee anytime in Wenatchee or East Wenatchee. I can even do Chelan or Leavenworth since the local bus goes there.

    Baby steps and the next day I might actually go in a store! Hahah. It feels a bit weird, but I'm hoping that goes away with each successful outing.

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    Try OCing for the 1st time somewhere you know people, some where you are a regular customer, somewhere you are comforatable. If you are confronted stay calm, listen and respond calmly that will go a long way to having a sucessfull day.

    Like SVG I also OC everywhere I go every day and have had no major problems and very few minor ones. Good Luck and let us know how it goes. If I were closer to you I would meet you for coffee.

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    I did some work over there the beginning of this year and open carried everywhere I went with no problem. Lowe's mostly, getting supplies and a few fast food restaurants and probably every Starbucks.

    The one over by Safeway? Is where I was waiting in line a gangbanger opened the door got one foot in spotted my firearm did an about face and was gone.

    Now he might have just been there to get coffee, but who knows?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    People do judge by stereotypes. If you think the peircings and tats will cause issues while OC just try dressing a little nicer. try slacks and a dress shirt. I you are nervous than take a nice jacket that will conceal (if you have a CPL) your weapon if in case you get the jitters or feel like the situation is not right, youcan simply slip the jacket on. Thats how I weaned myself a little by little. I still do not OC everywhere. I walk in places with my jacket concealing then take it off and expose myself just kind of non chelantly. I still get the jitters at times when I feel others starting to get uncomfortable. I do not want the conflict, or the hassel with the police, when I do I put my jacket back on.I am not the best with words, esp under pressure, and I have a temper that sometimes lets my mouth get me in trouble, (had someone ask me before if I had torrets or if I had multiple personalities. I would not just shoot someone, but do verbally fly off the handle. OC make me more aware of this and makes me tone it down. Hope it goes well for you. if you can get pics, and have fun.
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    I agree with orphan.I found it easier when I started 2 years ago going in places I frequent anyway.The Safeway and Starbucks you may have seen me post about.Now 2 years later no one even notices anymore.I was even today back in the Safeway managers office Bs'n with Andrew the manager about football and no onecares.Met one of the new posters today there and he could see for himself that people around had no issues.

    When I came out I went over to the stand where they have the soup to get some and a Desmoines Officer came up behind me and we talked about soup.He didn't even mention my sidearm.If you are in places you frequent first you become and people become more accustomed to your mode of carry.

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    I have considerred OC, and am still in the process of thinking about it LOL. I wish you luck.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    There is nothing illegal about it, so I should be absolutely fine. I've always had a bit of social anxiety and it's difficult to be interrogated by police; but I feel that it's important that I have a choice where I want to carry my gun.



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    Stick to the local businesses that know your face for the most part until you get solidly comfortable.

    I started out going to the nightly gas station run.
    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stuart Mill

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    I almost gave up thinking "I'm snowed in" with the weather we've been having over here today. I put on a couple of sweaters and grabbed my bag and caught a bus downtown. I stopped in at the strip mall and visited a few stores and walked around downtown for a bit, wearing my sweaters mostly over my pistol, but it was still visible from the front if you approached me. I decided to stop in at Subway (a place I frequent) and get something to eat while I was out. I dropped my bag and sweaters onto a booth with my newspaper and ordered my sandwich as normal. Some girls sitting across the way giggled a bit, but nobody seemed offended or scared. I payed for my sandwich, got pop, walked past the register a few times getting things and ate my meal in quiet peace. People came, people left and nobody cared or bothered me about it. An overall success for my first outing doing OC.

    Let's just see about the rest of the year now. Happy New Year Everyone!

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    Congrats, one small step for OC, one giant leap for Daath.
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
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    Way to go Daath .I think you'll find as you continue folks most people don't care .

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    Great!!!
    I agree with Deros, I live in a very hippy liberal and have learned the majority seem supportive. Most others don't even notice.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Daath 474 wrote:
    I almost gave up thinking "I'm snowed in" with the weather we've been having over here today. I put on a couple of sweaters and grabbed my bag and caught a bus downtown. I stopped in at the strip mall and visited a few stores and walked around downtown for a bit, wearing my sweaters mostly over my pistol, but it was still visible from the front if you approached me. I decided to stop in at Subway (a place I frequent) and get something to eat while I was out. I dropped my bag and sweaters onto a booth with my newspaper and ordered my sandwich as normal. Some girls sitting across the way giggled a bit, but nobody seemed offended or scared. I payed for my sandwich, got pop, walked past the register a few times getting things and ate my meal in quiet peace. People came, people left and nobody cared or bothered me about it. An overall success for my first outing doing OC.

    Let's just see about the rest of the year now. Happy New Year Everyone!
    Next stop - a drop down leg holster. :P
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    Like this guy I met at the last Teaparty in Olympia...After talking to him he told me he never heard of our web site it is just something he always has done .....I also ran into him at the Glenn Beck speach in Seattle.

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    He's sporting an Immortal Technique t-shirt.

    He's an anti-NWO rapper with some videos on Youtube.

    I had a drop down holster like that with my previous 9mm, but I gave it to my girlfriend when I retired that pistol to her and bought my new one.

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    Congratulations Daath, :celebrateit gets easier from here on out. I rememberhow hard itwas the first few times for me. Doing this tells me a lot about you, good job.


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    Good! The one thing that helped me to OC more was to have a way to 'pick up your gun and go' so to speak. If you have to take your belt off or if the holster doesn't clip on and off GOOD, you may get frustrated. Think of some easy ways to saddle up. Good luck.

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    Well Merry Meet and Blessed Be Daath. It gets a little easier as time goes on. You'll figure out which areas to just avoid. Before you know it you'll forget you're even wearing a gun because it's just as natural as wearing a cell phone. At least that's what I hear. I'm not at that point yet.
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    I'm there, not that I forget I am wearing a gun it just doesn't play much of a role in what I am doing.

    Manu carried before hearing of this site if I am not mistaken also. I was determined to open carry was something I wanted to do since I was 6. Was researching on how much trouble I might get into when I stumbled upon this site. It is a great source of knowledge and encouragement and am so glad I found this site, it helped me adjust my thinking somewhat on carrying.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Yeah, it's easy for me to forget that I'm carrying. What I'm worried about is everyone else shrugging it off too. LOL.

    I think it's dumb that people equate facial piercings + tattoos with criminal activity. I'm 25 years old and I have a spotless record without even any traffic tickets! So that is where my nervousness is coming from... people overreacting over nothing.

    When I'd walk around town at night, either for work or just to get from place to place; I'd be stopped and interrogated by police almost every time! Wenatchee isn't that big of a place, so the cops don't really have much to do at night. They always want my name, where I'm going, what I'm doing and ask me all sorts of invasive questions... one even said I was acting suspicious because I wouldn't let him search my bag. I told him there is nothing suspicious about protecting my fourth amendment rights. It got so ridiculous with his accusations and offensive questions that I had to ask if I was being detained or under arrest or if I was free to go! When I determined I was free to leave, I walked home, but I was followed by at least three or four squad cars for the ten or twelve blocks I walked. That particular sheriff's deputy even went so far as to say "with **** like that on your neck" (my pentagram tattoo) "you're just begging to be pulled over!" I informed him that it was not any of his business and that I felt like I was being harassed and intimidated for no reason. I didn't even want to file a grievance with the police chief, because of the buddy mentality that could result in the rest of the force tagging me and harassing me for the report.

    I don't have any negative feelings about LEOs at all. I respect and admire their job and I have always thought about becoming a police officer. Things in my life haven't taken me down that road, but they may someday in the future if I determine it is right for me. I'm always cooperative with police and always friendly and I try to remain relaxed, despite my social anxiety which causes 'panic attacks' (racing heart, nervousness, etc.) when I'm interrogated or stared at by large groups of people.

    It's hard for me because not only do I have to get by the potential negative reactions to the firearm, I also have to get by the additional negative response to my aesthetic tastes (body modification) and my religious tattoo is in a conspicuous place. I'm not asking for any sympathy towards my tastes or my lifestyle, I'm just saying that these are things that are obstacles in my path to open carrying. I feel that everyone who is a lawful, responsible and intelligent individual with good morals should carry. And it's like I said, aside from my tats and piercings; I really do dress fairly normal. Jeans that fit me, black or white t-shirts or polos that fit me, hooded sweaters, black shoes (well, snow boots in this weather)... etc. When I'm putting in job applications or going to an event I will wear a suit and tie, dress shoes, the works. I might be a bit different but if anyone talked to me, they'd probably like me. I try to remain optimistic about that.

    I have an uncle that open carries while he is walking his dog, but I don't see him do it very often. I also have a few friends with CPLs that carry for work or while they're out, so I might ask them to join me open carrying for lunch or coffee. I've seen a handful of guys in town with side holsters that were clearly visible. Almost everyone at the local gun shops open carry. So I doubt the LEOs can claim ignorance to the matter. It's evidently caught on in the valley here...

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    Document these "stops" with date, time, officers name, location and your activity at the time. Request his supervisors name, and follow up with aphone call to his supervisor, and a letter to the chief with a copy to the supervisor. Simply state that this activity has been ongoing and is creating a hostile reationship with the police department.

    I willPM you also with a document that may help as well.

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    gsx1138 wrote:
    Well Merry Meet and Blessed Be Daath. It gets a little easier as time goes on. You'll figure out which areas to just avoid. Before you know it you'll forget you're even wearing a gun because it's just as natural as wearing a cell phone. At least that's what I hear. I'm not at that point yet.
    I almost always wear a jacket, kinda breezy at the beach, Have CC carry almost everyday and have made a habit to be wearing, all the time unless I am a drinking (my preferance). I do at times forget I am carrying. OC for me is when I take my jacket off. Ialmost walked into the post office the other day, quick retreat back to lock it in my glovebox. Thats the one that gets me. shouldnt be illegal in post office unless they are open, if its gotta be at all. would like to be able to get my mail without unholstering.
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
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    I sometimes forget as well when carrying that I can't go into a post office. Glad I'm not the only one.
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