mel5051
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This is taken from a post by MitchellCT on DefensiveCarry.com in Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions, post is titled "Told to CC same ammo as local LE!
"I think these are very gear centered points unworthy of further discussion.
I think people will insist their gear have a "individuality" factor which, combined with a skewed and poor understanding of, and the lack of ability to apply correctly, the use of force rules they live under, that their weapon, ammunition and other minutia will untimately be inconsequential to the outcome of the situation.
People SAY they want to know answers to questions like this, yet when professionals like people in the law enforcement field, legal system and firearm professionals offer answers, everyone gets in a snit because their ideas aren't validated, so they end up doing whatever they want to.
If you are still hung up on handloading your carry ammo, do it.
If you want to carry a particular round, go for it.
If you want to install a competition trigger in your carry weapon, I hope it gives you a smile on your face.
Want to know a secret?
It's sort of an open secret...but I'll spell it out for you.
The less "***" factor your gear has, the better.
If your shooting is "clean" with no "interesting" factors like the amount of rounds fired, entry wounds in the back of the dead guy, no honest, well meaning witnesses (who saw the whole thing) yet interpreted events wrong...doesn't matter what you used.
However...If you plan for a shooting and the aftermath to go off without a hitch, you are smoking some stuff that the DEA, FDA, CDC, FBI & the White House would like samples of for research.
While I know this is a very unpopular thing to say, especially if it's being said by someone who has actual experience in dealing with the representation of real defendants in real court before real judges and prosecutors...
Keep it simple.
Keep it realistic.
Keep it relevant.
Avoid the temptation to get clever.
Avoid the temptation to assume you know better "just because".
Avoid the temptation to think that you have a firm understanding of all the factors which will be in play should you need to shoot someone, and that you can play the factors to your advantage while you are a suspect/defendant.
Sometimes the best answer is the simplest one.
Factory ammo.
The weapon kept stock with the exception of sights of your chosing.
Relevant, realistic, recent training in tactics and law.
You want to go off on how the prosecutor is out to get you if you use handloads...fine.
But I'll tell you this, because 24 hours ago, I was sitting in a judge's chambers with the major felony prosecutors discussing my client's fate...
Ain't ONE person who thinks prosecutors are just looking to screw the people that defend themselves got a clue.
If it comes to the point a prosecutor is signing a warrant and submitting it to a judge
THE PERSON WHO WAS 'DEFENDING' THEMSELVES SCREWED UP TO A DEGREE THAT THEY MADE A GUY WHO SEES EVERY NASTY THING THAT NASTY PEOPLE DO, AND PUTS BAD PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR A LIVING BELIEVE THE SHOOTER IS ONE OF THEM"
This is taken from a post by MitchellCT on DefensiveCarry.com in Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions, post is titled "Told to CC same ammo as local LE!
"I think these are very gear centered points unworthy of further discussion.
I think people will insist their gear have a "individuality" factor which, combined with a skewed and poor understanding of, and the lack of ability to apply correctly, the use of force rules they live under, that their weapon, ammunition and other minutia will untimately be inconsequential to the outcome of the situation.
People SAY they want to know answers to questions like this, yet when professionals like people in the law enforcement field, legal system and firearm professionals offer answers, everyone gets in a snit because their ideas aren't validated, so they end up doing whatever they want to.
If you are still hung up on handloading your carry ammo, do it.
If you want to carry a particular round, go for it.
If you want to install a competition trigger in your carry weapon, I hope it gives you a smile on your face.
Want to know a secret?
It's sort of an open secret...but I'll spell it out for you.
The less "***" factor your gear has, the better.
If your shooting is "clean" with no "interesting" factors like the amount of rounds fired, entry wounds in the back of the dead guy, no honest, well meaning witnesses (who saw the whole thing) yet interpreted events wrong...doesn't matter what you used.
However...If you plan for a shooting and the aftermath to go off without a hitch, you are smoking some stuff that the DEA, FDA, CDC, FBI & the White House would like samples of for research.
While I know this is a very unpopular thing to say, especially if it's being said by someone who has actual experience in dealing with the representation of real defendants in real court before real judges and prosecutors...
Keep it simple.
Keep it realistic.
Keep it relevant.
Avoid the temptation to get clever.
Avoid the temptation to assume you know better "just because".
Avoid the temptation to think that you have a firm understanding of all the factors which will be in play should you need to shoot someone, and that you can play the factors to your advantage while you are a suspect/defendant.
Sometimes the best answer is the simplest one.
Factory ammo.
The weapon kept stock with the exception of sights of your chosing.
Relevant, realistic, recent training in tactics and law.
You want to go off on how the prosecutor is out to get you if you use handloads...fine.
But I'll tell you this, because 24 hours ago, I was sitting in a judge's chambers with the major felony prosecutors discussing my client's fate...
Ain't ONE person who thinks prosecutors are just looking to screw the people that defend themselves got a clue.
If it comes to the point a prosecutor is signing a warrant and submitting it to a judge
THE PERSON WHO WAS 'DEFENDING' THEMSELVES SCREWED UP TO A DEGREE THAT THEY MADE A GUY WHO SEES EVERY NASTY THING THAT NASTY PEOPLE DO, AND PUTS BAD PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR A LIVING BELIEVE THE SHOOTER IS ONE OF THEM"
